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triplechoice:
Oh stop this!
There's no thumb in the image. You continue to imagine what is not there. Your mind is playing tricks on you.

You cannot rule out pareidolia when you don't even understand what it is.
Please ask AI what is the source of the hand-liike image and post the response here.

Why are you reluctant to ask this question?

"as though" is your imagination working overdrive to see what is not there and that is advanced pareidolia you are displaying. You are ruling out pareidolia yet you are demonstrating it concerning the same image.

Please see my AI responses above.

FxMasterz:
Not true at all. It's a pity I used ChatGpt's temporary chat feature for that. I'll now use Google AI mode. .

The question:

What unnatural feature did you observe around the baby's head in the attached ultrasound image?

See the response below:

You can ask the same question on your own AI. This is an absolutely neutral question. It waa deliberately neutral. No one has any pre-trained AI in Google AI Mode. So this result should be enough.

What I am using this AI query to establish is that the hand shape is clearly visible to anyone.

I even asked it further.

FxMasterz:
Not true at all. It's a pity I used ChatGpt's temporary chat feature for that. I'll now use Google AI mode. .

The question:

What unnatural feature did you observe around the baby's head in the attached ultrasound image?

See the response below:

You can ask the same question on your own AI. This is an absolutely neutral question. It waa deliberately neutral. No one has any pre-trained AI in Google AI Mode. So this result should be enough.

What I am using this AI query to establish is that the hand shape is clearly visible to anyone.

I asked AI and it doesn't even mention hand once.

triplechoice:
@Lordreed , what's your take on the below description .He keeps repeating it. The child in the story only saw a "hand" . But he sees more than that, he sees the hand remoulding the head. A static ultrasound cannot show remouldimg. That's in his mind, not in the image . This is pareidolia in its most advanced form, he is not just seeing a shape, he's seeing action and intention in a frozen shadow.

I think this explains why he is so desperately defending it as a real hand.

Of course! You are very correct. I am not sure he will be that honest with himself though.

triplechoice:
And I am sure a lot of Christians would not see it the way you and some others here are seeing it..

I looked up this case and found places where Christians were expressing embarrassment that their fellow believers were taking this seriously. I just didn't bring it up because I know he will hand wave it away.

FxMasterz:
I have attached a screenshot below.

Which is not different from what I posted.

Meanwhile:

Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

So bro you are arguing against your own Bible that Jesus was not a human sacrifice. By YOUR OWN definition the Bible says he is a human sacrifice.

How exactly did I lie?

Let's agree you missed my point. I wouldn't want to accuse you of lying. This is what I said, and exactly what you quoted:

"Good!

Let me hear your views on the following scenarios:

1. The judge absolves the murderer. He just forgives him outright after refusing to try him. He just acquitted him just like that.

What would your reaction be?

2. The judge sentences the murderer but then, after careful consideration, he decides that he'll be punished on behalf of the condemned.

What would your reaction be?"

Your views were to be the baseline.

Bro why are you still on this? You have literally repeated it again that you want my reaction yet you claim you didn't say you wanted it. Are you going blind?

I have attached a screenshot below. Views are not the same as reactions.

Bro are you loosing the ability to comprehend English? I wrote:

Bro my reaction and my views are the same

What are you still asking for again? I stated quite plainly that in this case my view and reaction are the same. Is that the same as claiming that views and reactions are always the same?

How can me telling you that "Nothing" is not an intelligent answer expected from the specialist be called a silly game? Can you explain?

Wow. I think you really have a problem with comprehending sentence structures and tracking conversations. You said this:

FxMasterz:
There's also no place in the story where her or her husband are said not to have asked a specialist. Hence, we draw on probability. Ame I'm telling you that the probability of her seeking explanations far outweighs the probability of her doing the contrary.

I now responded with:

LordReed:
LMAO! There is no place where the ultrasound specialist was not said to have said this was not a hand, Hence it is a probability that the specialist had told her it was nothing.

This is a silly game and I can play it too.

I said it was a silly game because to use the fact that something was not explicitly stated in the article as an attempt to support your assertions is silly because you can do it for any position making it a useless method to use in ascertaining anything.

If you say: "There's also no place in the story where her or her husband are said not to have asked a specialist." then I can say: "There's also no place in the story where the specialist is not said to have said this was not a hand," This is a silly game and if you play it I will play it too.

My friend , the specialist is a professional and would naturally not want to make any such inferences. No matter how clearly or scientifically confirmed the issue is, he wouldn't want to make any reference to the supernatural even if he believes it is supernatural. I am sure the specialist had no concrete answer for the woman. The woman must have discussed her opinion with the specialist. The specialist would have simply told her not to make any reference to him or his office regarding the matter.

If the specialist had provided a concrete answer, the woman wouldn't come out to say something else. That would be dishonest of her.

Who said anything about supernatural? Bro I really need to ask are you well? Seriously this is not an insult, I genuinely am puzzled. You seem to be having trouble comprehending simple written words. I wrote: "If the specialist had said it was a hand or something remarkable" how did you read supernatural in it? Remarkable simply means notable, which if it was would be noted by the specialist in their report which the woman's Ob/Gyn doctor would have picked up and told her. Where is the supernatural in this?

It is not a matter of believing her children! It is a matter of what everyone can see with their eyes.

Ok so why didn't she believe her own eyes before the children saw it?

I have attached a screenshot of ChatGpt's own observation.

Show me where ChatGpt concludes it is a hand.

I have already told you that her providers would already ask to be left out of the public discourse. This is absolutely normal.

LoLz! Bros it was you who claimed her medical providers should have called her out in public to debunk her claims. Are you now changing mouth?

Bros you seem to have a habit of arguing about things you have scant knowledge about. You really need to stop it, it doesn't make you look good.

No no no no. That's not what the wager was all about. The wager wasn't about her having her views contradicted. It was about her not seeking professional clarifications. And you already queried what type of human being would not seek professional clarifications before coming to a conclusion. You then claimed you could wager a million dollars on the probability of her not seeking such clarifications. My position is that your wager runs contrary to your logical query. Your wager can only be considered plausible if:

1. The woman is not human or is not a normal human.

2. You know the woman personally and have information on related antecedents.

Your one million dollars wager fails woefully if the above 2 conditions are not met.

Hence, the probability that the woman would seek clarifications is very high. That combined with the probability that her husband too would be curious about the appearance.

LoLz. Wow. Bros why don't you bother looking up the meanings of words you don't understand? Please look up the meaning of wager before you respond again and tell me how your conditions apply. SMH.

FxMasterz:
By your definition, even capital punishment is human sacrifice. Then, all judges are guilty if they sentence anyone to death for killing another? You see how unacceptable and flawed your definition is?

I don't know where you got that definition from but that definition is just deceptive.

Bro very simple bring a definition of human sacrifice that is different from what I have put here.

I don't know why atheists find it difficult to have respectful conversations or debates. Always looking for a way to insult someone who is respectfully engaging you. You actually lost my respect for this kind of conversation but I won't toe your path. I'm not that foolish.

I asked for your VIEWS. Not just an ordinary reaction. When the reaction is already defined as VIEWS, you cannot go below that and then say 'you just asked for my reaction'.

How can you lie so brazenly? I mean this in black and white TWICE yet you still lying and you are saying I shouldn't ask if you are OK?

Bro my reaction and my views are the same, this isn't justice.

If the specialist has told her it was nothing, the specialist failed. 'Nothing' is not an intelligent answer for such a phenomenon. Infact, generally, not an intelligent answer for something observable with the eyes.

You wanted to play a silly game so I played it too.

If the specialist had said it was a hand or something remarkable why didn't she mention it? She is the one being unintelligent by not asking questions.

The specialists are not supposed to infer anything! That's unprofessional. Her children boight her observation, and that observation is open to anyone to scrutinize.

She is not supposed to believe her children who have no knowledge of ultrasound mechanics without being an adult and asking the expert.

What I said didn't contradict the law. The worse case scenario is for them to tell her not to make any public references to them.

It totally does. She doesn't mention her medical providers and even if she did they still cannot confront her in public. You are just being obstinate about something you clearly wrong about.

That's your stock in trade. You're the one who has nothing to say anymore. Then, you try to play the mocking and degradation card.

Counter my position if you can. Being abusive or being a mocker does not change the facts on ground.

If you have queried what type of human being is she to have done that, then, you can't bet a million dollars on that outcome except you know the woman personally.

Bro how can an intelligent person claim that a wager that a she will not like to have her view contradicted be in contradiction to her not asking questions? Like take 2 seconds to think about it before you respond.

FxMasterz:
Then, that'll be your person opinion. It is not reflective of the world's standards. May I also ask if your opinion would remain the same if it was your loved one, perhaps your son that was ransomed?

Bro it just seems you really have no clue what you are talking about. See the meaning of human sacrifice:

Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more humans as part of a ritual, which is typically intended to please or appease gods, a human ruler, public or jurisdictional demands for justice by capital punishment, an authoritative/priestly figure, spirits of dead ancestors, or as a retainer sacrifice, wherein a monarch's servants are killed in order for them to continue to serve their master in the next life.

No matter how you try to spin it, anything you say will fall into this one or more of the specifics of this definition. Being the beneficiary will not change the fact that it is human sacrifice.

No. I didn't ask for your reaction. I asked for your explicit answer to the 3 layered question raised.

Bro is something wrong with you? Is this not what you wrote:

FxMasterz:
Good!

Let me hear your views on the following scenarios:

1. The judge absolves the murderer. He just forgives him outright after refusing to try him. He just acquitted him just like that.

What would your reaction be?

2. The judge sentences the murderer but then, after careful consideration, he decides that he'll be punished on behalf of the condemned.

What would your reaction be?

You literally asked what my reaction will be TWICE. Now you say you didn't ask for my reaction. Bros e be like say something dey do you o. LoLz.

There's also no place in the story where her or her husband are said not to have asked a specialist. Hence, we draw on probability. Ame I'm telling you that the probability of her seeking explanations far outweighs the probability of her doing the contrary.

LMAO! There is no place where the ultrasound specialist was not said to have said this was not a hand, Hence it is a probability that the specialist had told her it was nothing.

This is a silly game and I can play it too.

Radiology delivered that image in the first place. The only probability that could create such a hand feature, not a moulding hand, is pressure from outside the belly. The probability of any pressure being on the woman's tummy during the ultrasound is zero. And, even if there were any such external pressure, it wouldn't form a moulding hand.

Her ultrasound specialist saw it, her ob/gyn doctor saw it, neither raised any issue but it is when her children say it looks like a hand thats when we should take it seriously. Bro I said it before you are acting like a child and this just proves it. LoLz.

On the basis of what I did, her medical providers would commit not crime if they debunked her after following due process.


Yeah, and there was the need to for them to do both or just call her to order and tell her to stop misleading the public. Or at least explain things to her more clearly if they think she's in error.

Bros you are yarning dust. HIPAA laws are clear I dunno what yeye argument you are making here.

If you can bet a million dollar that a human being would do neither, then it contradicts your previous query: what type of a human being is that? A million dollar bet confidence on such an outcome means you've taken her behavior as normal human behavior. Meanwhile, I'm telling you that the probability of her not doing either is slim because no normal human being behaves like that.

LoLz. Bro I can see you are thoroughly discombobulated you have nothing to say anymore. This is the most discombobulated reasoning I have seen from you yet. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

triplechoice:
Your million dollar bet is safe . She won't consent or get a court order because she already knows what the specialist would say.

LoLz.

If it was a remarkable development it would have been her medical providers telling her not her children.

petra1:
See the reason you’re still alive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9afVwQzsF8?si=jAwypGhA-cztddEs

Disgraced doctor? LoLz.

FxMasterz:
I'm yet to talk about justice. I'm just telling you that your claims about an innocent human who got sacrificed is wrong.

If I offer myself to die on behalf of a convict who was sentenced to death, you cannot accuse the judge of murder or of human sacrifice. Neither can you accuse the person who sacrificed himself.

I totally will accuse the judge of human sacrifice and anybody who sacrificed themselves in that manner as well.

We're yet to discuss justice my friend. We're still on the way. I beg your indulgence. Please answer that question.

You asked for my reaction which is I will say this is not justice.

Very good observation.

And that's why you should believe her story the more.

The rational thing every human being would do would be to ask questions from the lab specialists and the doctors. Trust me. Every human would do that. If the woman didn't, the husband would ask for explanations from the medical practitioners involved. The probability of the woman not asking questions is very slim. And, especially as Americans. Both husband and wife cannot miss this important step. The probability that an American would not ask for explanations is almost zero if not zero.

So, a balanced conclusion is for you to know that the woman cannot boldly make a claim without first asking questions. No human being does that.

Bro kindly point out any place in the story where either her or her husband are said to have asked the ultrasound specialist questions.

Perhaps.

All the physical attributes of the image before us point to a hand moulding or remolding a head. Any other investigation beyond that imagery would invariably involve science.

It will involve the science of radiology which the ultrasound specialist who took it was qualified to do. She didn't avail herself of that expertise but rather just believed her children instead.

Yes they are. I know them. I have designed a patient management software for a clinic in the US before, and I had to study the law as part of the compliance frameworks for the app.

If you did you'd have not said her medical providers should have openly debunked her claims.

I'm sure they did, and would most certainly distance themselves from the woman's claims if they think she's misleading the public. You can see that the screenshot you shared came with caveats that do not fall within the jurisdiction of this woman's claims. Just look at the 'ifs'.

The screenshot was clear, her medical providers CANNOT openly declare themselves as her medical providers. The only way is to either for her to give her consent to directly address the matter or get a court order.

I can bet a million dollars that she will do neither.

FxMasterz:
That's not it. But if He sent Jesus purposely because of that, what problems do you have with that?

However, God came down as Jesus to pay the debts of mankind. That's not the same thing as sacrificing an innocent man. You probably have a problem with God sacrificing Himself. He literally gave Himself. You hate Him for doing that?

That is not justice. No matter how you try to spin it it is not justice. He sacrificed himself, he sacrificed Jesus, Jesus sacrificed himself, none of it represents justice.

Good!

Let me hear your views on the following scenarios:

1. The judge absolves the murderer. He just forgives him outright after refusing to try him. He just acquitted him just like that.

What would your reaction be?

2. The judge sentences the murderer but then, after careful consideration, he decides that he'll be punished on behalf of the condemned.

What would your reaction be?

None of this represents justice.

What exactly do you want me to verify? To verify that the ultrasound image wasn't AI? Or to verify that the hand on the fetus was not artificially inserted?


What should she verify?

She should verify whether she was given a manipulated ultrasound result?

Someone scanned your womb you saw something unidentified and you just went away? What kind of person is that? She didn't ask the ultrasound specialist what is this? These are simple things people can do to verify what they are looking at.

You probably think I am asking for some type of scientific experiment.

HIPPA laws do not criminalize the act of clarifying misleading information. The law manages the security and integrity of data. If the information the woman is spreading is misleading to the public, the law allows the integrity of the data to be established.

Bro you don't know what you are saying. See the attached screenshot. HIPAA laws are very strict.

Yes, structures do.

But what structure forms a hard that holds a baby's head as though it's remolding it. Maybe you should take a closer look at the image.

That is best for a ultrasound specialist to interpret.

FxMasterz:
How's Jesus sacrificing Himself the same as killing an innocent human? Did Jesus kill any innocent human?

According to your beliefs the god who was still in heaven had sent Jesus to die for the sins of humanity and Jesus was sinless. Therefore the god was sacrificing an innocent human for the misdeeds of others. That is not justice my guy.

Thank you for your answer.

If you will want Justice for your sister's husband, do you believe someone who's very sister, daughter or son was killed would even want justice more than you do?

Quite possibly.

Well, I wouldn't want to digress.

Because you don't have the data to back up your assertion. But that is good.

According to lordreed.

According to people who ask you to believe and not verify.

Then go do the verification instead of calling it audio.

How if I don't have the original images? Why didn't she verify?

She said she prayed, and then showed ultrasound evidence. That's no more audio. The testimony went viral in Kentucky. Is a gynecologist dead? Or why has she not been confronted and her claims debunked?

Look up HIPAA laws. Her medical providers cannot release any information about her without her consent or a court order. Notice that it was not a specialist who told her what was in the ultrasound, it was her children. Then she didn't go back to the ultrasound specialist to verify she just started believing. That is what you are calling evidence. LoLz.

She doesn't need to prove it is a hand. Even the blind knows it's a hand. You're the one to disprove that. You don't need to prove something the eyes are seeing. If you think it's not a hand, disprove the hand we all are seeing.


Or do I need to prove to you that this is Nairaland? Everyone is seeing it's Nairaland. If you think otherwise, you're the one to prove to us it's not Nairaland.

She is not interpreting anything. She's staring what every eye can see.

Bro sometimes you talk like a Johnny just come from a secluded village. In this day and age you don't know that structures within the human body take on weird shapes when imaged? Have you never seen an ultrasound image before?

That's not a pivot. That's a response telling you why I'm engaging you, after you claimed I'm projecting my ideas on you.

Whatever bro it is irrelevant to this discussion.

FxMasterz:
Would you tell me who killed an innocent human being and the innocent human being he killed?

Bro stop acting obtuse. This is the essence of your belief in Jesus and his so called sacrifice of the cross.

Would you want Justice or reject justice?

Come to think of it some did kill my loved one. Someone killed my sister's husband and the case is in court so yes I do want justice.

It's not just the wind. The more scientists get to know science, the more they come to the realization of God's existence.

Very fewer scientists become believers in a god after all their studies compared to the general population. See the attached picture.

It's all around you, my friend.

Nope.

Meanings taken within contexts need no questions.

That is scam language.

The interconnection between the Asking and the Receiving is the evidence.

That is what we call audio. Na hear we dey hear am. We need verification. Go find where an ultrasound specialist confirmed that that is the ultrasound image of a hand inside the womb that doesn't belong to the baby.

The interconnection between her prayers and the manifestation of the hand is her proof. You can disprove her.




Yes, she said so. She's the only authority on her own personal experience. I and every same person have reasons to believe she prayed until proven otherwise. You can take that to the courts. Personal testimonies are taken seriously until they're proven to be false. You can prove her to be lying.

Nope, she needs to prove it is a hand. Her word is worthless.

Please understand that God did not send her a picture of a hand.

She is interpreting an amorphous image as something that is not evidence of anything.

I didn't pivot to something else. What did I pivot into? Can you clarify?

You are trying to pivot to "you still have not met Jesus".

FxMasterz:
If you understand how justice works, you wouldn't be blaming God for offering to pay the sinner's debts.

If you understood justice you would know that killing an innocent human being in the name of paying ANOTHER PERSON'S debt is not justice but injustice.

Okay, let me help you.

God forbid bad things, if someone murders a person you so much love, can you forgive him? God forbid it in Jesus name.

I don't know if I will forgive or not. I will be in a highly emotional state so I cannot predict my reaction especially if there are people around me giving me some comfort.

No. The best thing for you to do is to first have my clarification on that before using your generalization on me. It is not everything you hear out there that I support. That's what I wanted you to know.

No problem as far as you have owned the sentiment it's all good. LoLz

The evidence of my God is everywhere around you. If you close your eyes to the evidences, how can I help you? This ultrasound is not just a coincidence. It is the result of an action.

It is not all around me. You choosing to interpret every blowing wind as your god in action is not evidence neither is an ambiguous blob in an ultrasound.

Please understand what is called 'context' and 'implied meanings'. If that's not what you meant, then make that clarification.

Then you should have asked for it instead of jumping to unwarranted conclusions.

It doesn't matter whether it does or not. What matters is that the hand is a result of prayer. And if that's not a hand, tell us what you think it is.

There is no reason to accept such a conclusion without evidence.

No no no no. That's not how to disprove an assertion. If you have no proof, then the assertion stands. You have to prove that's not a hand, or better still, prove that's not the hand of God. If you can prove that, the woman herself would stop her proclamation. If you cannot disprove her, her claim stands.

I don't need to disprove her, she needs to prove her claim so do you. Neither of you are radiologists or ultrasound technicians so your word is as valuable as sand.

Yes, I'll believe if you showed me the authentic source of your claim. This woman didn't just make a claim. She provided prayer as the source of her claim.

In other words she said so. Where you there when she prayed? Was the prayer recorded? You have nothing but she said, I reject that as evidence of a supernaturalhand in her womb that was not verified by any specialists analysis..

If I ask my dealer to send me a Toyota Venza, and I suddenly welcome a Toyota Venza in my house, I will believe the Venza is from my dealer until proven otherwise.

If you ask your dealer to deliver a Venza and he sends you a blurry picture that you have to interpret as a picture of a Venza, he has not delivered a Venza to you.

Nothing is being projected on you my friend. I've been away, only to return to see you still have not met Jesus. It's just disheartening. People are encountering Jesus daily except you guys.

But it's your modus operandi to attempt to dribble yourself is what I am saying. Look at you now attempting to pivot to something else. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
No, you don't understand.

That's not the purpose of the question.

I'm asking about you. What is that offence a man can commit against you that you cannot forgive? I'm asking you as a person.

None of your actions affect God in anyway. But it seems you don't understand how justice works. So, first answer my question please.

It's you who doesn't understand how justice works. It is not justice to sacrifice a human being to satisfy the blood cravings of a purported supernatural being.

I have no idea where exactly my limit is because there are so many factors I cannot determine at this moment that might play into it however I have given you something egregious I wouldn't forgive.

There's no contradiction. You should make sure I said it before ever attributing it to me.

I am saying I support what you heard. But I was not the one who said what you heard.

This is an unnecessary nitpick. You have admitted to holding the sentiment.

You can search online. God and Angels have revealed themselves many times. You only deny, just as you're doing now.

Ehh, no I won't. I have no reason to. Why is it that when I ask you to produce evidence of your god you've never produced any of these pictures you want ME to go find. LoLz.

You mentioned that there's a hand there in your previous mention. Are you also disillusioned?



In the attached screenshot, you clearly never disputed the presence of a hand. Instead you disputed the direction of the hand. You were only saying the hand was not coming from outside.

E be like say kòlò don dey wake up. How does "That is not the ultrasound image of a hand coming from outside." equivalent to that is a hand? Only a disingenuous person will attempt to make sure a dense connection.

Now, if you think it's not a hand, please tell us what it is.

I dunno know what it is. I am not as conceited as you to claim certainty of things I have no knowledge of. However I am confident enough that the generality of human experience can provide evidence and in this case unknown hands don't enter the womb from outside during an ultrasound.

No, if the hand had appeared because the mother asked for the devil's hand, it would be the hand of the devil then. But the proof is that the mother prayed for the hand of God, and a hand appeare. Additionally, the hand did exactly what the mother asked the hand to do.

The burden of proof lies on you to prove to us that the hand was not the hand of God. OUR PROOF LIES IN THE FACT THAT SHE INVITED THE HAND OF GOD, AND THE GOD'S HAND HONOURED THE INVITATION.

If you feel that a different hand honoured the invitation, prove it.

And your question here is another proof that you believe indeed it's a hand. Otherwise, you wouldn't be asking me to prove that it's God's hand and not the hand of the devil.

You cannot shift the burden to me to prove your position. She prayed for god's hand is not evidence or else we should believe every similar claim that is not from people who don't believe like you do too. We reject all such claims because they cannot meet the burden of proof just like you can't.

If I take a picture of a hand and claim it is Julius Ceaser's hand will you believe just because I said so? A big fat NO so similarly I reject your say so.

Why are you dribbling yourself?

Stop projecting your favorite past time on to me. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
No. You don't understand.

First, tell me, what is the highest offence anyone can commit against you that you can never forgive? First answer this question please.

Is your god a man that is limited by the impact any action has on him? I am a man limited by several things so I am sure I have a limit when it comes to forgiveness. I wouldn't forgive someone like Hitler for sure. Why is my limit any kind of measure for your supposedly limitless god?

Can you tell me where I ever said God cannot be photographed? I've never said that but if you ever heard that, that's not a lie. God cannot be seen. He cannot be photographed but that is half truth. You have also heard that God does manifest Himself. He reveals Himself. Especially when He wants to boost your faith or give you assurance. Both God and Angels do reveal themselves occasionally. You have heard that too? I know you've heard that too,

LoLz. You might not have said that previously but here you are saying it anyway so why the contradiction?

How is it that in the nearly a century of video and more than a century of photography your god or angels have never been definitively been captured on any media?

It is spurious pareidolia induced interpretations like this ultrasound image you can point to?

God is neither inside nor outside. He's everywhere, and can manifest Himself everywhere.

But, thank God. You admitted that's a hand. Who's hand was that in your opinion? The hand in the inside of the womb. Who's hand was it? The doctor's hand? The baby's hand? The mother's hand? The father's hand? Or your own hand?

Kindly point out where I admitted it was a hand.

The burden of proof is on you to evidence that it is the hand of your god and not that of the devil or any other external agent or just simply an artifact of the environment ie the womb in which the fetus is located.

FxMasterz:
No, he didn't sacrifice Himself to Himself. He gave up Himself. Condemned Himself instead of condemning you because justice must be served.

He gave up himself by arranging for his own death to please himself. That is still ritual human sacrifice. No matter how you try to spin it, it is disgusting.

No, an ultrasound with clear images does not need any interpretation, and therefore, no illusion.

You don't know what you are saying. Are you not the people who keep telling us that your god cannot be photographed? Now suddenly he can be. LoLz. You are a joker.

That is not the ultrasound image of a hand coming from outside.

FxMasterz:
He did it to Himself. Not to anyone.

He loves boundlessly. You can see a show of His love on that baby in the X-ray when its mother prayed.

You don't seem to understand what pareidolia is. An X-ray is not a product of imagination..

He made a human sacrifice of himself to himself. Still disgusting and weird.

You are the one who doesn't understand what pareidolia is. It is not the image that is the illusion it is your interpretation of it.

FxMasterz:
Yes. He became man, but He remains who He is.



Open your heart. He'll come. He's a gentleman.

Then it was a ritual human sacrifice. Disgusting.

FxMasterz:
I know they comment on every such thread as this as long as they think there's something they can pick on.

Then I have broken your jinx. Case closed. This picture is nothing but pareidolia, your excitement is childish.

There is no ritualistic human sacrifice anywhere. God sacrificed Himself to show you how much He loves you.

He is not expecting anything from you. He just wants you to know He loves you.

So Jesus wasn't human? Ok good to know. LoLz.

If a god exists that needs me to know that then it can make it's own overtures to me directly. I have received no such overtures.

FxMasterz:
No, you don't need to wait. You just have to come across them. But, you've come across so many, you only deny the God that loves you so much that He gave His Son for you as a ransom for your soul. How long would you continue to reject the love of God in your life?

Then why are you claiming atheists are staying away from the thread as if you know they are waiting for it?

Yeah, I reject ritualistic human sacrifice. Dressing it in Jewish/Hebrew garb doesn't make it less revolting.

tunnyl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZbYRXDY6d0&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D&ra=m


Here’s my reply: God created this world as a test. To choose who will make paradise or hell. And all sorts of things happens to someone who is being tested by God.

If you are intellectual and smart enough to question the almighty God then your question should be “Was i allowed to choose if i wanted to participate in any test or not”

If the so called god knows everything why does he need tests

jesusjnr2020:
Ultrasound Photo Shows "Hand Of God" On Unborn's Head After Mum's Prayer

An ultrasound photo from Kentucky went viral after a mother said she believed it was God's answer to her prayer to please keep his healing hands on her baby.

Amanda Foster says after she found out she was pregnant with a boy, she was told at his anatomy scan he had aortic septum abnormality.

She said, "we prayed and prayed along with several others. When we followed it up with a specialist, it was gone. so I have been so thankful that i began to pray before every appointment, ultrasound, that the Lord keeps His healing hands on my son and continue to uphold him."

So at his latest scan her youngest daughters was the first to notice and asked her whose hand was that on an ultrasound photo, then her husband Kyle.

The ultrasound photo showed what looked like a hand placed on the baby's head.

She had repeatedly dropped to her knees in the doctor's office and prayed that God placed His healings hands on her baby, and believed the Lord decided to show her in the ultrasound that He doing just that.

See photo below:

Men you guys are like little children seeing rabbits in the clouds and getting excited.

Look up the meaning of pareidolia and understand it.

FxMasterz:
Can you see how they ignored the thread? The atheists, Muslims, Jehovah Witnesses, and all those who hate Jesus ignored the thread because the X-ray presented an uncomfortable truth that God moves indeed when we pray, which things they love to deny.

Their eyes are clearly seeing the X-ray image but their inner eyes are closed and cannot see. There's a dark veil cast upon the minds of the lost so that even when truth is shown to them most vividly, they'll still stumble.

One of them up there is bringing APC - the devil successfully distracting his mind away from the truth so that he cannot consider the state of his own soul.

May God have mercy of the lost and keep using us to pluck them out of the fire.

Bro you are such a baby. Do you imagine everybody spends all their time waiting for you lot to post pareidolia pictures? LoLz.

RaySimran:
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump



Source

LoL @ him pretending his 1st term between Obama and Biden didn't happen to oversee the same operation he is now complaining about.

Iamdbull:
The President of the federal Republic Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu has stated in a short interview that he enjoyed his vacation.

He also used the opportunity to disclaim all the rumors surrounding his traveling.

No matter how much money you have you will be become old, decrepit and eventually die. The irony of life.

petra1:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19R7Qe5Jhu/

what sayedt thou?

What was the point of this? It didn't state anything that contradicts the facts on ground.

This more than 4 years since I took the vaccine yet I am still here and haven't grown horns or wings.

MrPresident1:
I've never given a prophecy that failed. All my prophecies habe been 100% bulleyes. You have to be discerning to understand

Sure buddy, as accurate as the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. LoLz.

MrPresident1:
Just be patient.

LoLz. Like all the many of you failed so-called prophecies? Of course.