₦airaland Forum

Stingman:
Thanks for your civility...How long did it take to build the Lagos 3rd mainland bridge...? The central government has been building that bridge for 40 years? The Op wasn't too wrong by suggesting that a region could fall apart when people relocate en mass...Cities have collapsed around the world, when its economic importance has ended...

Stingman:
Mister, you have no idea about the hopeless evil country you have...What has happened to the partnership to build 2nd Niger bridge or even an international airport in the EAST...? And you are talking of a seaport...You amuse me...the country is pure evil...That's why many people from the region want out...

Neemrod:
Is Lagos your state of origin?

Stingman:
Not a problem...what percentage of other people import from the ports? Almost half of the travellers using MMIA are from the East...Nobody said other regions shouldn't develop...We are encouraging our population to relocate...but we must have alternatives...The federal government built the current seaports and MMIA airports..they should do the same in the eastern part as well...That's' all...

waternogetememy:
Remove the SS/ SE Population from Lagos and see that City fall like a pack of cards then witness the East grow into a giant.

YourNemesis:
The Yoruba were the major African group on the Island of Bahamas in the 1800s, and Oyo was said to have been a Major supplier.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/685/31665385164_c6efa63fb6_b.jpg

ugohemma:
by collecting omonile from bus drivers.

pazienza:
It's not just about the period of arrival, but also the numbers.

Yorubas had the numbers, Fulanis didn't,how hard is this to understand?

bigfrancis21:
That's no issue at all. Bight of Biafra could have extended all the way down to South Africa. The figures being looked at is the actual number of Nigerians (Yoruba and Igbo) exported from these bights, regardless of how far away the bights may have extended. 1.2m from the Igbo country compared to 456,500 from the SW regions. You can dispute the territory of the bights but can't dispute the numbers.

pazienza:
It's not just about the period of arrival, but also the numbers.

Yorubas had the numbers, Fulanis didn't,how hard is this to understand?

bigfrancis21:
YORUBA SLAVE NUMBERS EXPORTED FROM BIGHT OF BENIN FROM 1650 TO 1865

The image below is a table of all slave ports in the Bight of Benin and the number of slaves exported from these ports during the entire slave trade period from 1650 to 1865.

Of all these ports, Lagos/Onim port was the number 1 source of Yoruba slaves. A quick look shows that from 1651 to 1750, Lagos exported 0 number of slaves for nearly 100 years. We begin to see the exports from Lagos (mostly Yoruba slaves) start from 1751, attaining its all time high between 1826 and 1850 (during the time of the Oyo empire wars) and dropping thereafter. The table indicates that between 1751, when Lagos slave exports began, and 1865, (end of slavery), 317,300 slaves (let us assume all were Yorubas for simplicity) were exported from Lagos port. That is, 317,300 Yoruba slaves were exported from the port of Lagos during the entire slave trade period of 215 years for Bight of Benin.

Now, there are high chances that some Yoruba slaves were also exported through nearby ports of Badagri and Epe. The slaves from these ports would have included Fon slaves, Ga slaves, Akan slaves, Ewe slaves, Yoruba slaves etc. Assuming all the slaves exported from these 2 ports were all Yoruba slaves, the figures are 53,700 and 85,500 for Epe and Badagry respectively, for a combined total of 139,200.

Assuming all the slaves exported from Lagos, Epe and Badagry were of Yoruba descent, the overall number of all 'Yoruba' slaves exported from these 3 ports in the Bight of Benin is 456,500, or less than half a million. However, realistically speaking, given the fact that many non-Yorubas were often labelled 'lukumi' by the Spanish/Portuguese (see second image below) and not all slaves from these 3 ports were actually Yorubas, especially from the ports of Epe and Badagry, the actual number of Yoruba slaves taken from these 3 ports would be a figure between 300,000 and 400,000.

To add also, that not all 300,000 to 456,500 Yoruba slaves who left the shores of West Africa did make it to the new world. A small percentage who were intercepted by the British and settled in Sierra Leone did not make it to Latin America, out of which some of those intercepted by the British who never left the African continent and settled in Sierra Leone (Saros) actually returned back to Lagos. Out of the majority who made it to Latin America, a small percentage (Agudas) returned to Lagos where they settled. Taking into consideration the numbers of Saros and Agudas, the final number of Yoruba slaves settling in Latin America (mainly Brazil) is a figure between 300,000 to 400,000.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Uk1Tbdsq99gC&pg=PA179&dq=yoruba+slave+population+numbers&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkzI34o8zRAhWH34MKHZDPDaEQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=yoruba%20slave%20population%20numbers&f=false

pazienza:
Why should t it be Fulani, rather than Yorubas.
Can you use a credible data to show us the number Of Fulanis exported to the New world, as compared to Yorubas?

^^^I don't think it has anything to do with that... The last slaves to land on the shores of USA were part of the Igbo landing in Virginia, however that never changed anything there...

I personally think it has more to do with the level of spirituality and consciousness in Yoruba culture and how rich the language... Even places like: Haiti, Jamaica etc. that had few Yoruba slaves, the few slaves still left an impact on those country... I've met Jamaicans with Yoruba first names in the UK, especially those from the New Cross area where Yoruba slaves settled..

This isn't to say that one culture is more superior to the other - Yoruba culture is just deeper in the lives of most people of Yoruba descent - it's like an in-born thing... Heck, modern day Yorubas even Yorubanised Christianity into the white garment churches which were the first African churches we had in diaspora before the pentecostal churches came in the late 90s and early 20s... Most of us were born in white garment churches out here...

pazienza:
No. I am merely stating the obvious fact that the Yoruba culture has, more than any other I can think of, managed to stay alive, endure and even convert more adherents that would rather identify with it than any other amongst the descendants of slaves in the diaspora. There's a higher probabilty that more of the descendants of those slaves would be quicker to identify with Yoruba culture than igbo today, #Fact.




"The survival of Yoruba traditional elements is attributed to 2 major reasons: the late emergence of Yoruba slaves in the slave trade and favorable slave conditions and weakened slave laws in Latin American slave colonies in the mid/late 19th century". #Fact

bayooooooo:
Government Notice No. 1207/1966 published August 2, 1966. It can also be found in Crisis and Conflict in Nigeria (vol 1) by A.H.M. Kirk-Greene pg 372.

By His Excellency Lieutenant Colonel Yakubu Gowon, Head of the National Military Government, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Nigeria.

WHEREAS Chief Obafemi Awolowo, having been duly convicted of the offences of treasonable felony, conspiracy to commit a felony and
conspiracy to effect an unlawful purpose, and sentenced to imprisonment for ten, five and two years respectively on all three counts:
AND WHEREAS the said Chief Obafemi Awolowo, having served a portion of the sentence originally imposed on him in September 1963:
AND WHEREAS the Supreme Military Council after reviewing his case, is pleased to remit the sentence and to grant a full pardon:
NOW THEREFORE, in exercise of the powers conferred by section 101 (1) of the Constitution of the Republic and of all other power enabling it
in that behalf, the Supreme Military Council do hereby remit unexpiredportion of the sentence imposed on the aforesaid chief Obafemi Awolowo
and grant him a full pardon. GIVEN UNDER my hand and the Public Seal of the Republic of Nigeria at Lagos this 2nd day of August, one thousand nine hundred and sixty-six.

OBAFEMIawolowo:
If you think the southeasterner didn't vote you, why are you collecting tax withouy given them dividend of democracy? If southeast cannot get good roads, then they should stop paying tax.

Marginalization should also include tax collection

CandyDiamond:
Southwest no longer grow cocoa, is now palm oil because of this evidence that just surface, before independence it well known that North produce Groundnut, cotton as cash crop and tin mining in Jos.SW is well known for cocoa and rubber, Eastern Nigeria is well known for palm oil and coal mining in Enugu. Stop twisting fact because of this 1914 evidence of revenue from palm oil.All this is well documented in most primary and secondary school text books across Nigeria

OmoAjowa7:
Aunty, I'm particularly interested in the emboldened.

Who do the SE feed today?

What does the SE contribute to the FA today?

Who is more of a parasite between the SEasterners and the SWsterners today?

Please don't tell me bullshit about what happened in 1914. Reason why I mentioned "today" at the end of
every sentence

Thanks

harbibi:
. can you imagine! These bunch of ignoramus and untruthful people should please shut up and at least be grateful and say thank you for God to bless this country with such a region, the people of such region should be treated with ultra respect instead of taking them for granted.

Noblecx:
Chike obi: Chike Obi (April 17, 1921 – March 13, 2008) was a Nigerian politician, mathematician and professor. The African Mathematics Union suggests that he was the first sub-Saharan African to hold a doctorate in mathematics.
Chike Obi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notable awards:
http://waado.org/NigerDelta/Memorials/chike_obi_guardian.html


Chinua Achebe was a Nigerian novelist, poet, professor, and critic. His first novel Things Fall Apart is also considered his magnum opus, and is the most widely read book in modern African literature. Wikipedia

Chinua Achebe notable award: http://saharareporters.com/2010/09/24/chinua-achebe-receive-one-largest-awards-arts

Noblecx:
I am an entrepreneur and I am not in the level of just business...

If you are enlightened you will know the reason why Lagos has her enormous population... This is solely BC of the viable ports that opened up a little development... That this footprint elsewhere you will have the same result that's not even a rocket science...

So stop talking as if you are not knowledgeable and yet talking like a god.

Noblecx:
Then what do you mean BC is obvious you are happy with the status quo thus the chest beating...

Like I said earlier new ways are coming up...
Onitsha port, onne port, obuaku port and the rest coming into the stream...

Enugu international and cargo airport(recorded his first cargo goods this year) with the Anambra cargo airport coming into the stream also will all be a new drama to unfold...

So don't sit and relax at your gores as new thing is about to happen call it change...

Noblecx:
Lol, please stop making me to laugh out loud...

Which region is backward than the north when is obvious the region that is always last in everything civilization...

Wait oo, you mean the south west is developed too yet Nigeria is regarded as a developing country that is a third world country which is the one of the last country in terms of development...

Hollup, you talk about education yet we know which people has the highest professors. We know which state that has the highest unity school cut off marks, we know which region that always tops in WASSCE and likes. We know which region has made it big through contributing to education... Chike obi won a noble price in mathematics and China Achebe won same in literature... Emegwali created a space for modern day computing... So what have you but cheap and merely baseless propaganda...

Shame

Noblecx:
Reason being that Lagos is more closer to the Atlantic and serve as an easier and flexible way to do it but thats old ways... New ways are on the way...

Igboid:
Cocoa became Western Nigeria major source of income, after independence, but even that was debatable, as some had argued that rubber mainly from the Midwest area was the real forex earner for the region.
Either way., Western region Cocoa was strictly for Western region, they fed no one else, they only paid their loyalty to the FG, like the the Eastern region and Northern region did.

Moreover, Cocoa was also produced in Cross Rivers and Northern Abia parts of the Eastern region, but not in the scale it was produced in Western region, just as Western region Palm produce were not in the scale as produced in the Eastern region and mid western parts.