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Messi always breaking records with hattrick

chelsea wins d group

Lord Aguero. Congrats city
U can still qualify

this five don do abeg

raumdeuter:
Have they spent the same number of years in the league ?

Or does it make sense to say Welbeck has scored more EPL goals than Diego Costa without factoring in how many EPL games both have played?

If you said welbeck is better than costa I won't reply that

calculations based on same number of years
hazard 46goals last 4years gotze 33 last 4years

coogar:
well, your opinion is not factual.
the planet is actually divided over who's the better player between messi & ronaldo so why should we take your opinion seriously when there's no credible official stamp backing it?

Best in la liga ever not world since he spent all his season dere and has broken/set countless records dere

coogar:
it's not even comparable!
di maria played as a central midfielder for madrid. schurlle has always played as a winger or wing forward, even sometimes as a striker. so it's not that smart to be comparing both players....

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the above was madrid's most used formation last season & hazard played as a CM. how then is he expected to score as many as schurrle that has never played anywhere else but the forward position?

mr. maduks88, it's time to call it a day.

This formation was used only last season and madrid used more of 4-2-3-1.maria and schurrle are both attacking midfieders so dey are comparable

We can call it a day now

raumdeuter:
Iniesta has assists to show as an attacking midfielder, where are Hazards assists? 4 in 18 matches? In the same team Fabregas is already on double digits in assist.

Hazard is a disgrace

gotze has 2 assist in 17games dis season is he a disgrace?

raumdeuter:
League Hazard 4 goals
League Gotze 7 goals

dat stats is just for d season and d season is not yet over

raumdeuter:
League Hazard 4 goals
League Gotze 7 goals

give me dere stats since d stated playin in d league not just 4 dis season and don't tell me about minutes per games u can compare them over same period

coogar:
if there's no such award, why did you make the claim? calling you an illiterate isn't an insult. i am just shedding light on your inability to read & write. how's being an illiterate an insult?

I never said such award existed I just said my opinion and that most football pundits. U ask for an article I showed you one

coogar:
we don't count the number of games, we count the number of minutes. only chelsea fans(mostly football illiterates) count the number of games.

Weda its number of games or number of minutes u use he still has far more with 10goals less. I'm just saying you shouldn't judge attacking midfielder solely on goals look at iniesta for example

youngwarlocks:
A Chelsea supporter claimed he sold his car in
order to sit next to Jose Mourinho at a tennis
tournament.

so mou like tennis

youngwarlocks:
The Special One was at the World Tour Finals
to watch Andy Murray getting thrashed by
Roger Federer.
A fan sat behind him displayed a banner
claiming he had gone to extreme lengths to get
himself into Mourinho’s company.

can u do same?, if Yes, which celebrity? if no, Y

I no fit sha

raumdeuter:
Hazard started National team in 2008, Gotze started 2 yrs later

Gotze has 13 goals for Nationa team Hazard has 5. Is that not more than double?

CHampions league Gotze 7 goals Hazard 4 goals. Is that not almost double?

So National Team plus CL Gotze 20 goals, Hazard 9 goals Are you sure thats not double?

What about league performance
and also u know gotze has always been in a better team

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raumdeuter:
How else do you want me to prove it when Gotze has been schooling him in scoring and assists whether at Dortmund vs Lille, at Bayern vs Chelsea or even at National team

Gotzes numbers are almost double of Hazards despite being younger

So what more proof do you need

He is a year young and his number are not up to not to talk of double

raumdeuter:
This dribbles, tackles and etc has only resulted in 6 goals and 6 assists in all competition

Yet Gotze has 10 goals and 4 assists in lesser number of games

I think both hazard and gotze have two assist
Hazard has more goals and assist overall from 2010/2011 when gotze was in dortmund first team
And gotze was always in a better team

raumdeuter:
Is Schurrle the topic?

We can move to Schurrle later.

Are we in agreement that Hazard is a failed player and Gotze is twice the player Hazard can hope to be?

If we have concluded that, then we can move to other things

U haven't proven that yet

raumdeuter:
Gotze and Hazard is the topic right now. And its a red herring to bring Di Marias name into it

Can you explain to us why Hazard is such a failure. He cant score, he cant assist.

This season that everyone is shouting his name, He has 6 goals and 6 assists in 18 games while Gotze has 10 goals and 4 assists in 17 games

Just want to know who you think is better between gotze and maria if you don't want to answer no problem
talking about this season
Hazard has d most dribbles in europe is d most tackled in epl and he is tackled/fouled more than gotze, he probably has more chances created, pass, pass accuracy,better defensively thank to mourinho and better %aerial duel won in d league when compared to gotze

raumdeuter:
You mean between 2010 when Gotze made his debut and 2014 he scored 6 goals while the failure called Hazard has 5 from 2008 to 2014

That further underlines how much of a failure Hazard is.

Schurrle made his debut 2010 also and has 17goals is he better than gotze?

one more question
Is gotze also better than dimaria?

raumdeuter:
I told you to tell me which year Hazard had a bad yr in National team

5 goals in 6 yrs of National Team football. How much more can he fail

Gotze 13 goals in 4 yrs Beat that

gotze had 6 goals be4 2014 while hazard had 5 that how
things can change in a year. The fact that gotze has
seven more goals than hazard for his national team
doesn't mean he is anyway better

schurrle has 48goals in 169games and dimaria
has 38goals in 244games. does dat mean schurrle is
better?

Maduks88:
between di maria and gotze who is better?

Those that have compared both should tell us their opinion

coogar:
i dunno.....
i have never compared them pound for pound.

Tell us when u don compare

between di maria and gotze who is better?

gotze 2010/2011 till last season
best german team i.e dortmund(2010/2011)-8goals
best german team i.e dortmund(2011/2012)-7goals
2ndbest german team i.e dortmund(12/13)-16goals
best german team i.e bayern(2013/2014)-15goals
Eden hazard 2010/2011 till last season
best lowly french league team i.e lille
(2010/2011)-12goals
3rdbest lowly french league team i.e lille
(2011/2012)-22goals
3rdbest epl team i.e chelsea(2012/2013)-13goals
3rdbest epl team i.e chelsea(2013/2014)-17goals

igbsam:
una get time to dey argue with dis guy o. Since the last 2 thread na im I don know say dis guy no sabi anything about football. He's just going round in circles arguing what is not meant to be argued. I just dey one corner dey look una cos I no wan start my own. Its been long I've seen some trolls on dis thread. Where dem go ? Since Man U trashed Arsenal at their home they've all gone on a sabbatical leave

Na dis one come here dey argue Hazard and Gotze. Here look like Chelsea and Bayern Munich Thread ? You better carry your argument to the right thread and vamooz from here.

Ok. make I run d go bayern thread no vex

coogar:
you must be an illiterate.....
so this article which happens to be the opinion(not facts) of a drunken sports writer is what you are presenting as an empirical evidence?

where's the official presentation that messi is the greatest player ever in la liga? when ronaldo won ballon d'or, he was given a gong with an official ceremony to boot. where's the one that says messi is la liga's best ever?

you can insult me if you want
you ask for article I showed you an article.
Is there any award for best player ever in any league?
BTW schurrle has 48goals in 169games and dimaria has 38goals in 244games. does dat mean schurrle is better?

coogar:
provide us the link now.....
you mean there's no news article regarding this unguided statement you made?

here is an article on messi
www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2014/11/22/5190556/lionel-messi-the-greatest-goalscorer-and-player-la-liga-has-ever-

coogar:
show us
provide the link where messi was awarded the best player ever in la liga.

who is d best player ever in la liga

coogar:
if messi is the best player in la liga, why is ronaldo the ballon d'or winner? how come it was the same ronaldo that won the LFP award only last season?

my friend, you dunno how to argue.....

best player ever not best player this season

coogar:
but hazard has played almost twice as many minutes as goetze. so your comparison needs WHO.

a striker scores 20 goals in 20 games, another striker scores 22 goals in 800 games, you are telling me the striker with 22 goals is more clinical because 22 is greater than 20?

i take it that you didn't study math in school.

what is d assurance that d player will not torres in d remain of his career and end up with 21 in 1000?
U can't conclude that gotze is better than hazard with stats available now. even last season hazard had one more goals than gotze and gotze was in a better team