₦airaland Forum

Snowale:
Forget about anything dent, they are called dentists, only medical doctor that studied medicine were called Doctors right from the start till now, now that new doctors are joining m, like dentist, pharmacist, ophthalmologist they can also be call doctors, in few years time it would be a normal thing, everyone will know that all doctors are not medical doctors, some are dental doctors, pharmacist doctors etc.

You don't know what you said about dentistry. They're called doctors everywhere, except in the UK where dentists and surgeons are called MR., because both of them are involved in surgery, and used the title "mister" in the past. This was because surgery was not formal before. Dentistry is even regarded as the oldest branch of medicine, and its first degree program differs slightly from medicine. I was in dentistry before I changed to medicine. So, I know this very well. I can explain more about dentistry because I know much about it.

Maxillofacial surgery, which is a branch of dentistry, surgically operates on the face, jaw and the mouth. Dr Gary Parker, the chief medical officer of Mercy Ship Hospital, is a dentist who specialized in maxillofacial surgery. So, dentists are doctors from time immemorial.

Moreover, ophthalmologists are medical doctors who specialized in ophthalmology. Maybe, you meant optometry. Everywhere in the world, it's only medical doctors and dentists that are granted privilege to bear doctor in the hospitals, and to admit, diagnose, treat and discharge patients. The only exception is in the UK where dentists and surgeons are called MR. (Mister) because of their history.

Period007:
Why calling Pharmacy students illiterates who couldn't make ur JAMB cutoff(218)...... i bet u,with this your score u cant even get crop science in my school.

Until u graduate(if you can) and enter the real medical world,don't come and type rubbish here from the figments of ur imagination

And who told you that 218 was the aggregate? Stop confusing yourself. The aggregate was 245, and I know someone who got into pharmacy with an aggregate of 240 then. So, stop saying what you don't know. Stop quoting 218 as if it's the aggregate. Somebody got 190 in UTME and got 320 in post-utme. He's a medical student today. It's the aggregate that matters. Even an aggregate of 190 can get crop science in Uniben. Uniben doesn't calculate an aggregate based on UTME alone. So, stop basing admission on UTME alone. Besides, some students of pharmacy wanted medicine, but they didn't do well in UTME. So, it's not a lie. Instead of persevering to get a better score next time, they threw in the towel. When they graduated, some of them chose to study medicine again, while some became Johesuites.

I didn't type rubbish. I'm already a clinical student, and I'll graduate in no distant time. There's nothing like if I can. That's not my portion. Besides, I did my youth service in a pharmacy. So, I got most of my information from there. I had a lot of business encounters with medical sales reps then. So, I know what I'm saying about pharmacy. Those sales reps can only make it if they work hard, just like bank marketers. And there's no multinational pharmaceutical company that pays such huge amounts of money you reeled out. It's only in the oil and ICT sectors that such an amount of money is paid. Also, the guy you quoted stated that he has a private business, and at the same time working as a sales reps for 3 pharmaceutical companies. That shows he had put in a lot of years and hustle into the business.

Most pharmacists aren't good business men and women. From the experience I garnered when I did my youth service in a pharmacy, most of the pharmaceutical shops in Maiduguri then were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. I've made a similar observation elsewhere too. And those pharmacists I know are eager to be employed in government hospitals. So, your comments here are not a reflection of the real life situations I've seen.

Moreover, pharmacy education in Nigeria isn't that practical. The hands-on experience is only got through those pharmaceutical production companies. It's the fault of the government. It's a systemic failure that cuts across every course in Nigerian public universities. So, government's neglect led to that, especially pharmacy that is supposed to be mainly practical. Therefore, most pharmacy graduates in Nigeria are not equipped practically after graduation. In fact, medical sales reps jobs are a sort of denigration for pharmacists. It's supposed to be a marketers' job. I don't blame them sha, because if they can't get the real job probably due to lack of competence, they should make do with sales reps. They get to make a lot of money from it based on hardwork. However, non-pharmacists are also medical sales reps. So, we have to tell ourselves the truth, instead of hyping pharmacy in Nigeria.

shollish:
Never quote me again you this 100 level student.
You think all pharmacists are sales reps?...you need exposure about pharmacy
Just pray you wouldn't rot in Abakiliki studying medicine so you can start diagnosing malaria and typhoid as usual and hustling for primaries , while pharmacist friends are raking in cool cash from drug stores. You don't even know about Juhel,Biomed,Bioraj and numerous pharmaceutical industries that produce drugs...leave your Ebonyi and get exposure,you no gree
DG of WHO is a not a medical doctor ,....EWU
you this Ebonyi man lying that he has been to Maiduguri

Illiteracy is your disease. I won't bandy words with a ninc.ompoop like you who cannot speak good English. You don't have the intelligence to study pharmacy. I believe you're in the polytechnic studying pharmacy technology. That's why you reason like them. Onye ara. Ebonyians are even better than you. You reason like abokis. Besides, I'm a native of Anambra State. Inconse.quential being with the brain of a cow!

Period007:
Show us any proof that you a doctor and not still a JAMBite as u claimed

Audio Doctor with 218 jamb score

I never told you that I'm a medical doctor yet. I'm a medical student in my clinical years. It's needless lying. I never said that. So, calling me an audio doctor is unwarranted. I claim it shaa, but not an audio one . Please go through my comments again, and you'll discover that I didn't say so. There's no benefit I'll gain from claiming what I'm not. I wasn't brought up to be fake. Besides, the aggregate of that score is 245 (UTME =218; post-utme =272). Not so many candidates who chose ANSU for medicine that year, got that score. There was a massive failure that year. I didn't even use it later. I used my first degree later. So, this is my second missionary journey (second first degree) . I might not be good, but I cannot say what I am not.

Admission depends on how many candidates scored higher each year. Somebody I know got medicine with a 245 score in a federal university in 2005. He's not even from an educationally disadvantaged state. We told him that he was extremely lucky. So, there are a lot of factors being considered when it comes to admission.

MrEgghead:
She graduated from UNIBEN..I know her very well.

Ok.

shollish:
DG of WHO is not a doctor.
Idiot ....I know say you go be fresher for one jonzing state University
Enter Street know how much wise pharmacists get rich with drug money
U think it's by writing primaries..iti

You don't have an iota of sense. Go and ask about Ebonyi State University medical school. It's the second best state university medical school in the South East. Kogi State University medical school failed accreditation, and some of its preclinical students were absorbed by Ebonyi State University medical school.

For your information, most Nigerian pharmacists are not rich. I did my NYSC in a pharmacy in Maiduguri, and I got first hand information. Even two pharmacists who were marketers lived in the same building with me that time. They were the ones that begged us to patronise them.

Pharmacists are trained to produce drugs, and not to loiter about as marketers. Even graduates of biological sciences are fast replacing pharmacists as medical sales reps, because they're more hardworking. Medical sales reps are marketers. So, it's a lie whenever you people spew rubbish that pharmacists are rich. When I was in Maiduguri, almost all the pharmaceutical shops there were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. Lazybones. You people can't even produce drugs. About 94 percent of drugs used in Nigeria are imported.

If you're not an illiterate, you would have read where I said that I'm a clinical student. Besides, this is my second first degree. Sense is common, but you have none.

Moreover, the current WHO DG is the first non-physician to be made a DG of WHO. So, I'm right that it's physicians that had occupied that post before. In fact, his appointment was a deviation from the norm. It's not bad, but that's the first time a non-physician was appointed as the WHO DG.

Graduate and become a marketer called medical sales rep like your colleagues. You
(Nigerian pharmacists) know nothing again other than working as marketers. Simple drugs you people cannot even produce. You're a disgrace to the school you're attending. You couldn't even express yourself in correct English. Illitera.te numero uno.

shollish:
Idiot!.
I just dey observe your blabbing since
Las las na 100 level student for Benue state university you be sef... because real doctor way don enter Street go respect pharmacy

DG of WHO is not a Medical Doctor, he just has masters in public health.
Idiot! Be informed, Idiot stop making noise

You're sense.less. You're a 100 level student, not me. So, setting records straight means that I'm disrespecting pharmacy?. I never said that I'm a doctor. I'm a clinical medical student at Ebonyi State University. And for your information, I got into medicine via direct entry with my first degree. So, I didn't enter with UTME as you said.

amidel:
Tedros Adhanom is the current DG. Kindly confirm for yourself his qualifications.

PS: I love what you wrote just wanted to make the correction.

You're right. He's the first non-physician and first African to hold that post.

amidel:
Sir, little correction_ the current DG of WHO is not a medical doctor.
Thanks.

He's a medical doctor.

Period007:
I should show you my pay slip on nairaland...lol guy u no well abeg

DM it to my inbox. You're not a pharmacist. You're a pharmacy student. So, you don't work in any pharmaceutical company.

Period007:
See the JAMB score of mr intelligent

No Pharmacy School will admit you with that score

I was doing a master's degree then. So, I thought of taking JAMB UTME since I still had interest in medicine. So, I came unprepared. Somebody advised me to use my first degree. So, I later used my first degree, and I was offered a direct entry admission into 2nd year of medicine. I graduated with a sound second class upper degree.

Period007:
Are u stupid or blind...or stupidly blind

I went through his profile. He's a medical sales rep just like some pharmacists, biochemists, microbiologists, etc. He doesn't work specifically in a pharmaceutical company. Besides, he has his own private business. So, it has nothing to do with being a pharmacist. That's to say, it doesn't mean that since a non-pharmacist earns this much, pharmacists will earn more. It's strictly his hustles that earned him that. It wasn't only his salary.

So, see what gave him money. He even said that he earned N400 - N450 as a whole, not just his salary alone. He stated that he also sells surgicals. From his post, I can deduce that he's a serious hustler just like any serious businessman wil be, and he had put in a lot of years in his business. He even registered as a distributor for 3 pharmaceutical companies and also has his own business.

Some pharmacists who are sales reps may not earn as he did, because he added his private hustle to it. The medical sales representative job is based on hustle, just like bank marketers. In fact, they can't make it if they don't hustle. So, it's not strictly a pharmaceutical job. Anybody can be employed to do it. Just show me the salaries of pharmacists employed to work inside the multinational pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria.

Period007:
I am a pharmacIst and I work in the pharmaceutical industry so every information provided here are facts and not my personal opinion,deep inside you know m telling the truth but u don't want to believe....Good bye

Every information provided here are facts, yet you couldn't post the companies that pay such? You can only convince a gullible person like you, not me.

To give you a benefit of the doubt since you said you work in a pharmaceutical industry, provide the photocopies of your payslip and those of your friends who work in those multinational pharmaceutical companies here as an evidence.

By the way, I went through the thread you mentioned, and the girl was just lying up and down. She even said that after residency, a medical doctor will begin work as a junior registrar. And this is a lie, because a resident doctor becomes a consultant after residency. In fact, he or she begins residency as a junior registrar and ascends the ladder to become a senior registrar, and finally a consultant at the end of the training. You deliberately deleted that part. So, you want me to believe fake information that's unverifiable and lacks in substance?

You're just a pharmacy student; you're not yet a pharmacist. Even your reasoning and written English attest to that.

Period007:
This is a non pharmacIst working in the pharmaceutical industry
https://www.nairaland.com/3933539/quitting-lucrative-job-degree-canada

I said earlier that I wouldn't reply to your messages again, but if I didn't, you'd sound reasonable with this comment of yours, even when you didn't understand the guy's post. Just show me where he said that he works in a pharmaceutical company in that screenshot post of yours? You lack the ability to comprehend a post. The guy said that he works in a company where he's paid N400k - N450k, and that he wants to travel abroad and study pharmacy. It all boils down to what I said here that Nigerian-trained pharmacists are quacks. 99 percent of them cannot produce drugs.

mentorandfriend:


Whether a doctor joins the military, goes for post graduate studies in public health, pharmacology, parasitology, etc, he'll still be in the Rat Race, because he's joining the military to earn salary, he's doing post graduate to be a lecturer or research assistant in the university or whatever. So long as he's going to be under an employer, he's in a rat race.

Private practice by far, or at least being a consultant in a government hospital is where the money is.

I hope you know what the Rat Race means? Check a topic I did in my profile.

You're not a medical doctor. So, a pharmacist working in multinational pharmaceutical companies are not in a rat race too? Are they not receiving salaries too? You talked about pharmacists giving out their licenses, it's strictly for one pharmacy. It'll be photocopied and pasted there. Anything to the contrary is a crime.

Moreover, public health physicians make huge amounts of money, unlike pharmacists employed in public health organizations. And there are specific areas of public health that are strictly for public health physicians, and it's those areas that are money spinners. A sales representative can be any other person than pharmacist. So, it's not strictly for pharmacists.

You people talk too much about pharmacists making it real life, but I've never seen in real life in Nigeria. So, I begin to wonder whether it's in the spirit realm that pharmacists make all these huge amounts of money. Most of them I see (including the sales representatives) are not richer than medical doctors.

IZANAMI:
you're right.Young man,anybody with masters in public health can work in those health organization you cited.Even at medicine,you'll have to obtain a masters in public health before venturing there. A biochemist,microbiologist or someone who only attended an institute of public health with a masters in d discipline can go there.That's no big deal @ all..

It's not completely true. There are specific areas of public health that are for medical doctors only. No other graduate is employed there. And it's mostly those areas that are money spinners in public health. Just for you to see, the professionals involved in the coronavirus treatment, prevention and public health are mainly medical doctors. Besides, the DG of WHO can only be a medical doctor. Suppose those donor and international public health agencies employed 8 MPH holders, one pharmacist or another professional might be employed, while the rest would be public health physicians. Besides, the heads of those agencies are doctors.

Moreover, anybody can be a medical sales rep. It depends on the person's hardwork that makes him or her rich. It has nothing to do with being a pharmacist. So, it's a fat lie to say that pharmacists who are sales reps make more money than doctors. If the pharmacist doesn't have a marketing skill or the product isn't that marketable, he or she can't make it. It's similar to the banking sector in which anyone can be employed. It's not strictly for degree holders in banking and finance. Most of them do beg doctors to patronise them.

You talked about private hospitals. You hardly see private hospitals employ pharmacists. Even when they do, they pay them little. But medical doctors are employed everywhere, ranging from oil companies to the military. Pharmacists are employed there too, but not as many as doctors, and doctors are even the ones that are finally appointed to head those agencies. Besides, doctor's pay in private or public agencies is much higher than that of pharmacists. Most people who do well in pharmaceutical business are the ones who went through apprenticeship.

IZANAMI:
Blood of Zechariah!I need doctors in d house to enlighten this shallow mind pls.
Or better still go to d doctors forum and see where your ignorance lies.You have to become a specialist b4 being a consultant.olodo!!

A specialist is also a consultant. You can't be a consultant if you're not a specialist. They're almost the same thing.

Period007:
You are not serious....
From.... no drug is manufactured in Nigeria to no Nigeria pharmacIst can manufacture drugs to they manufacture but as technician to they manufacture but most be trained abroad..to only 2 in 1000 manufacturers
Guy take your confusions elsewhere

You're the confused one. You should have used your brain to know that no Nigerian-trained pharmacist will be allowed to head a drug production section until he learns on the job from foreign or foreign-trained pharmacists. Besides, I never told you that no drug is manufactured in Nigeria. I said that most drugs used in Nigeria are imported. I didn't say that all the drugs used in Nigeria are imported. This shows you didn't comprehend my earlier comments. If I had said that no drug is manufactured in Nigeria, why then did I say that drug production in Nigeria is being overseen by foreign pharmacists? Stop saying what I didn't say.

2 in 1000 Nigerian production pharmacists I wrote, didn't negate my earlier stance that foreign pharmacists are the ones in charge of drug production in those companies. If you get 2 out of 1000 in an exam, did you pass? I take it that you're a kid. Learn how to read and understand. 2 in 1000 is an outright failure.

Therefore, Nigerian-trained pharmacists have failed in the area of drug production. I need not give you any reply again. This has degenerated to a childish thing.

Period007:
Who doesn't know theres money in drugs....only an illiterate graduate like u

I laugh at you. Provide their pay check or the links to that. It's even illiteracy that pushed you to pharmacy. Most of you in pharmacy didn't make the required JAMB cut-off mark for medicine. I know so many of them like that; even the ones who studied pharmacy first, came back to medicine via direct entry and failed the 2nd MBBS and were booted out of medical school. But I have never seen a medical doctor go back to pharmacy. So, we know the illiterate ones. At least, you have shown it here by believing that crap. You're nauseatingly gullible. I've told you to provide the information that foreign pharmaceutical companies pay that huge amounts of money to Nigerian pharmacists, but you couldn't. You only based your information on unreliable and unreasonable information you got on Nairaland. That's how ignorant folks behave - believing every information hook, line and sinker without using their brains.

Period007:
They want to earn in dollars without generating any substantial income in medical tourism

So, Nigerian doctors will generate substantial income in medical tourism with erratic power supply and obsolete equipment? Your sense of reasoning is shallow. No foreign medical doctor can do his or her best in this harsh Nigerian environment. Despite that, some Nigerian doctors have distinguished themselves in the fields of cardiothoracic surgery, paediatric surgery, haematology like Dr Bazuaye of UBTH who did the first successful bone marrow transplant in Nigeria. I've not seen the achievements of Nigerian pharmacists here. That's why when you reeled out those humongous salaries as their real emoluments by foreign pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria, I laughed at you. You should have used common sense to know that it's not feasible in Nigeria.

Period007:
Have u heard of Healthplus,medplus etc
Remove federal government jobs and see many doctors surviving on loans.
They want to earn in dollars without generating any substantial income in medical tourism

You talked of government jobs, but it's only resident doctors that mostly want to work for government. After residency, they lose interest in government work. On the contrary, pharmacists beg every time to be employed by government, including you. Show how Healthplus and Medplus earn higher than big hospitals here. Give the link to that here.

Period007:
Its obvious u have comprehensive deficiency
This comment have the highest likes in that thread,which means more Nigerians agread

So, multinational pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria don't operate in this same harsh business environment that local pharmaceutical production companies operate, that they pay such huge amounts of money to pharmacists? You and that guy that wrote that trash are extremely ignorant.

Multinational oil companies can pay such huge amounts of money, but not multinational pharmaceutical companies. You're just gullible. Oil is not the same as drugs.

Period007:
Its obvious u have comprehensive deficiency
This comment have the highest likes in that thread,which means more Nigerians agread

Stop being decieved. So, just because it had the highest likes meant that more Nigerians agreed? Ignorant Nigerians liked it and you based your faulty judgement on that? I can now see how intelligent and reasonable you are! Besides, that comment never had the highest likes there. Those people and you who liked it were and are still ignorant of the labour market in Nigeria.

No production pharmaceutical company in Nigeria pays that much. You're even the one that is ignorant and lacks the ability to comprehend. You just picked up an unreliable piece of information from Nairaland and believed it. How much do they make that they pay such huge amounts of money to them? You're out of tune with reality. Show me where those information came from. Give me the links to the companies that pay such huge amounts of money. It's not a lie that they rise over the years. After all, it's a fool that stays on a job he or she isn't promoted, but to be paid such huge amounts of money is untrue.

Moreover, Nigerian-trained pharmacists are employed to learn from foreign pharmacists, so that those companies can cut costs. That's why over the years, they assume the positions the foreign pharmacists were occupying before. This is because the foreign pharmacists are paid more, and those companies would like to cut cost in the future. It's a business strategy.

[quote author=Period007 post=90383855][/quote]I didn't say that Nigerian pharmacists are not employed in the production section. My point is that most of the people in charge are foreigners. Go there and see for yourself. The only exception is when the Nigerian trained abroad or learnt on the job. But for a Nigerian pharmacist to be appointed outrightly to head the production section after studying in Nigeria or within few years of working there is a fat lie. They do undergo serious tutelage under the care of foreign pharmacists before they may be allowed to do so. So, it's still the foreign pharmacists that are mainly in charge. Those ones you listed are just like 2 in 1000 pharmacists.

Period007:
Lists of drug production companies in Nigeria.Bro u need to do more research and upgrade ur knowledge.This is the 21st century
https://drugxpert..com/2019/07/list-pharmaceutical-manufacturing-industry.html?m=1

Most of those pharmaceutical production companies you listed import 80 percent of their drugs. Embassy is an example. Green Life and so many of them import those drugs too. The foreign pharmaceutical company will manufacture it for them, and they'll sell it as sole distributors. There is this particular malaria drug sold by Green Life as the sole distributor. It wasn't manufactured in Nigeria. Only few of them such as Juhel, Emzor, Neimeth, Ranbaxy and a few others are active in serious drug production. The rest manufacture few drugs they can and rely on foreign companies as sole distributors. Besides, some of them are not owned by Nigerians. Pfizer, Ranbaxy, Glaxosmithkline, May and Baker. They're foreign companies who manufacture their drugs here and abroad. Most of the indigenous ones you mentioned are just struggling to survive. I know they exist, bit they're not that serious in drug production. So, most of the drugs consumed in Nigeria are imported. Can you list their products (up to 10 drugs) each of them has ever manufactured and the links to the information? Don't include foreign ones. Exclude Emzor, Juhel, Neimeth and start with those other ones.

Period007:
Haha Abeg find that popular thread on Nairaland asking between doctors and pharmacIst who are richer in Nigeria and see many responses.
Remove federal government jobs and see many doctors earning 80 to 120k

Nobody said there that Nigerian pharmacists are richer. All these big hospitals are owned by doctors. How many pharmaceutical production industries do we even have in Nigeria? It's just few. We import virtually everything from abroad. So, where do we even have those rich pharmacists in the first place?

Period007:
Abeg how many indigenous pharmaceutical companies can pay foreign expatriates in Nigeria.
U no get better talk again

Go there and see for yourself. Do you think those industrialists would want their pharmaceutical companies to be shut down by the government because of these Nigerian quack pharmacists who could not have witnessed drug production in school? They don't want to gamble with their businesses. You know the truth.

Period007:
Haven't u heard of
Stella okoli( second richest woman in Nigeria)production pharmacIst con multi billionaire
Ifeanyi okoye.....production pharmacIst con multi billionaire
Olakunle Ekundayo ....production pharmacIst con multi billionaire

How many Nigerian pharmacists are richer than doctors? These are just three persons in the league of numerous pharmacists in Nigeria. It's needless arguing further with you. It has turned to a childish thing.

Period007:
Its obvious.....according To every Nigerian doctors what others are doing are not a serious thing just theirs yet the cannot treat their president

are the you one treating him since the pandemic came into being? I've never heard that he has made a foreign trip since then?

[quote author=Period007 post=90379801][/quote]I didn't say that they don't work in the production section. All I said is that it's foreign pharmacists that oversee the drug production. The foreign pharmacists have the final say on drug production there. Take a trip to those companies and see for yourself. After all, Nigerian engineers work in construction companies here, but the foreign engineers are the ones in charge.

Period007:
Medical sales rep that can make a consultants monthly salary in 3 weeks
Remove government jobs and see how 80% of doctors become jobless

Make what? I know them quite well. They're the ones coming to hospital to beg doctors to patronise them. So, 90 percent of Nigerian pharmacists are not government workers too? 80 percent of Nigerian doctors become jobless? Government even begs Nigerian doctors. If they leave government employment, they can set up their own hospitals. It's Nigerians that will suffer for it, including you, because you cannot do without doctors. Right now, most of them are leaving to America and Europe. Even Saudi Arabia pays Nigerian doctors handsomely.