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Period007:
And he finally submits to technology...

What do those White doctors doing it use? Is it not technology? Has any Nigerian pharmacist ever discovered any drug? But Aghagbo has redefined heart transplant surgery in Nigeria and Subsaharan Africa. Go to UNTH and see for yourself. Separation of Siamese twins was done in Yola recently, and it was successful. Nigerian doctors are breaking new grounds. To show that technology is the problem, Dr Akintoye, a Nigerian paediatric surgeon who graduated from OAU, Ile-Ife, before travelling to America, recently performed a ground-breaking surgery in which he operated on a foetus, and thereafter reimplanted it into its mother's uterus. Finally, when the foetus had attained full maturity, he operated on the mum again. Both the mum and her baby are doing well. Such a surgery cannot happen in Nigeria because of technology and power outage.

Period007:
Lol....something chemists with ordinary WAEC do in their shops? go and ask them

Those pharmacists and patent medicine dealers who do it are quacks. They endanger people's lives.

Period007:
Have u read this?
U think u know everything but yet u don't know Pharmacists go on
1.Pharmacist only ward rounds
2.Pharmacists + consultants ward rounds etc
I bet u still don't know Pharmacists are now doing residency In the usa.
My guy pharmacy practice has advanced since u cant browse with ur phone just try and leave the village where u practice,go to teaching hospitals and FMCs and see clinical pharmacy practice and Pharmaceutical care in patients care
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5873735/

; it's just the same residency nurses do too. It's not a serious thing. They're doing it so that they can work in old people's homes

Period007:
Go and tell ur senior colleagues to start performing advance surgeries like head transplants like their counterparts all over the world,tell them to not only be treating catarrh and headaches.our government cant not waste money training them and its citizens including the president still spending billions on medical tourism

Technology is the issue when it comes to facial transplant. No doctor ventures into a facial transplant when he cannot make it. Computers for printing 3-D images are costly. Dentists (called prosthodontists) involved in that area are doing their best to manufacture orofacial and head prostheses that can be used by head and neck surgeons, but they need government support. There's no stable electricity for all these laudable projects. They are experts. After all, gynecologists are doing IVF here, helping childless couples. Aghagbo at the UNTH Enugu has been performing heart transplant for years.

Period007:
Its obvious Nigerian Physicians fear Pharmacists wants to take over their limited jobs,they want them to remain dispensers forever but the status quo has changed.Their Physicians counterparts in clime countries are advancing in medicine performing head transplant etc but here there want to remain treating typhoid,malaria and catarrh making the country spend billions on medical tourism

Limited jobs? You're sick in the brain. Even though jobs are scarce, doctors must certainly find places to work, but pharmacists hardly get a job. Some of them end up being sales representatives. Go to UNTH Enugu and see what Prof. Aghagbo, a cardiothoracic surgeon, has been doing. He has been doing heart transplant for years. Many urologists in Nigeria now do renal transplant. Two years ago, a Nigerian paediatric surgeon performed surgery that separated Siamese twins. The news went wild then. The reverse is the case for Nigerian pharmacists. Just list any pharmacist who has achieved any feat in Nigeria.

Period007:
Lol this guy is brain dead,I should go there?
Have u been there before?

You're a demented mo.ron. I've been to Emzor and Juhel. The real pharmacists producing those drugs are foreigners, not Nigerian pharmacists. Nigerian pharmacists work there, but they're not the main people overseeing drug production. It's still the same with Nigerian engineers. No Nigerian industrialist can entrust his pharmaceutical production company into the care of a Nigerian pharmacist without first employing a White pharmacist to do the real work.

Period007:
Small boy read this and change ur altitude towards other professionals,u cannot decide to remain crude in ur practice and assume others wouldn't wants to advance

Olodo, I've told you that Nigerian pharmacists can't even manufacture drugs, yet they want to go on ward rounds like the White men. They should get their acts right before shouting of international best practices. In Nigeria, a pharmacist who doesn't even know much about drugs will want to rush to the wards and stop prescriptions made by doctors without first consulting the doctors who made the prescriptions. And that's why they have added the word "doctor" to their title so as to deceive the unsuspecting patients. You people must earn yourself respect first. Move into the drug manufacturing sector and prove yourself first. Nigeria spends a lot in importing drugs, while we have pharmacists who are only interested in paper qualification, without delivering any result.

Period007:
Who gave him the right to dispense drugs with ordinary Pharmacology

Maybe, I should ask you: what knowledge does pharmacists have to be siting IV lines and treating patients? Are they doctors to be doing it?

Period007:
Have u heard of mzor and DGF,Juhel.
What do they manufacture......foods?

the main pharmacists doing the drug production there are foreign pharmacists, not Nigerians. That's why I told you to go there and see for yourself.

[quote author=Period007 post=90377751][/quote]It still boils down to what I said about a clinical pharmacist's job, which is to review prescriptions. He reviews them by making recommendations to doctors in the form of advice. Teaching here doesn't mean that he's teaching them. It means giving them advice on safe drug prescriptions. He also said that he attends to questions about drugs. It's still not different from what i said. His job is solely focused on his drug prescription review and advice. Here, pharmacists will want to dictate to doctors, instead of offering advice.

Murketeer:
I definitely won't argue with ya...Rest well

Because you know you lied.

[quote author=Period007 post=90377093][/quote]It's still what I said that the pharmacist re-echoed here. His job as a clinical pharmacist is to review drug prescriptions. Reviewing drug prescriptions also includes making recommendations. No doctor in Nigeria has ever insulted pharmacists for making drug recommendations. He didn't state here that he does ward rounds with doctors. Rather, he makes recommendations when drug prescriptions get to him and that they work as a team.


The immediate past CMD of University of Ibadan Teaching Hospital once said that he prescribed a higher than normal dose of a particular antibiotic for a patient diagnosed of osteomyelitis, and the pharmacist called his attention to it. He gently told him that the infection was spreading fast, and he needed to contain it. The pharmacist agreed with him because of the reason he gave him. Was that not a drug recommendation? Did the doctor look down on him?

The issue in Nigeria is that pharmacists want to take up the job of doctors. It's their attitude that led to how they're being judged by doctors.

kinglato:
You are frustrated. Don't worry you can go and rewrite jamb to study pharmacy.
People like you are suffering from poor job satisfaction. They have brain wash you telling you that you have everything by studying MBBS and you are now regretting. But brother it's not too late.
Please stop responding to this novice. Let the poor MBBS rest in peace.
You haven't seen anything yet o, wait for the next 10yrs, you will know how irrelevant your profession have become.

On the contrary, it's you pharmacists that have low self esteem. Why should I need pharmacy? It's needless because medicine is all encompassing. You want to practise medicine through the back door. No doctor wants to practise pharmacy.

Period007:
You are not yet advanced,go back and read what clinical pharmacIst do in USA then we talk.

I like evidence. Post it here. You cannot even manufacture drugs which is your primary responsibility, yet you want to copy the US that has perfected drug production. Almost all the drugs in Nigeria are imported. Why can't you Nigerian pharmacists take up your primary role of drug production, so that the huge resources we waste in importing drugs can be mitigated? That shows you Nigerian pharmacists are jacks of all trades and masters of none. You have not mastered the science and art of drug production, yet you have rushed to copy again "clinical pharmacy". Clinical pharmacy still has its earlier meaning we all knew before. It's simply the role of pharmacists working in the hospital, and that role is to review drug prescriptions. Nigerians copy a lot even when they have not properly studied how it's done in a White man's country.

Period007:
Many Doctors prescribe and dispense drugs directly to their patients in their private clinics
Or is it when a medical doctor works as specialists o and g in government hospital,meanwhile in his private clinic becomes a general practitioner,dentist,optometrist,surgeon,pharmacIst

He has a right to practice general medicine in his clinic. His degree is MBBS (bachelor of medicine; bachelor of surgery). Therefore, he studied surgery too and can do minor surgeries if he's capable of doing it. It's not wrong. He studied pharmacology and therefore has a right to prescribe drugs. That's his responsibility. He can only go wrong when he starts delving into surgeries that only specialists can perform. No doctor practises optometry. He can only practise minor areas of ophthalmology, except he's a consultant ophthalmologist. Optometry is within ophthalmology, a branch of medicine.

Period007:
To every medical student's,every course/area done by other students are peripherals......yet they have to spend more than 6 years after school specializing in those areas.(we begin to wonder why spend six years in medical school)
Medical graduates are like "Jack of all trades and master of none " until after residency

That shows you're ignorant. Are branches of medicine or surgery easy that years will not be spent on them in order to know them well after undergraduate education? How can a medical doctor become a qualified general surgeon, or a cardiologist with just a first degree? Even after a residency in general surgery or other surgical or medical subspecialties, the doctor may further his or her education in the form of fellowship in specific areas, so as to give the best result. Medicine is extremely vast. To you, they're jacks of all trades and masters of none after first degree, because you don't know that it's a vast field of study that requires meticulousness, and therefore having a first degree isn't enough, so as to avoid wasting human lives. That's why utmost attention is paid to it.

Newly graduated doctors are very knowledgeable, because they can diagnose and treat diseases and do minor surgical operations, unlike newly graduated pharmacists that can't even defend their profession in practice. We have had cardiovascular surgeries and renal transplants done in Nigeria by Nigerian surgeons, but 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot manufacture a drug. The main people in the drug production arm of indigenous drug manufacturers in Nigeria are still White men. Go there and see for yourself.


Instead of trying to improve pharmacy education in the area of drug production as the White men did, on the contrary, you people resorted to garnishing your first degree on a surface level like a beautiful sepulchre with nothing inside it, and say that the essence is to make pharmacists better clinicians in the hospital. It has never been the job of pharmacists to be clinicians. Their job is to review prescriptions and to manufacture drugs.

Murketeer:
It looks like you dont understand the Importance of ward rounds...A very Smart Physician will take a pharmacist along when doing ward rounds ...just around February here ...a few infants died from Diarrhea and Vomiting at UBTH...and that was because the Docs were administering a drug combination regimen that was causing a severe drug- drug reaction which led to the inefficacy of one of the most important drugs needed by the children to stop the diarrhea ...and this is what a Pharmacist would have spotted easily ...The Docs have a lot of patients to deal with ...they have less time ....so taking a pharmacist along will help to spot some mistakes as a result of oversight or not ...so don't say what you dont know

You don't know what you're saying. Every drug prescription passes through a pharmacist. So, it's not a pharmacist's job to do ward round. Ward round is not solely based on drugs. So, pharmacists know nothing about it. Any drug prescribed must finally go to the pharmacy, and a pharmacist will then have time to check it. Do they want to do ward round so that they can revisit surgeries done or re-treat the diseases doctors are managing? What then is the essence of their ward round?


Let me ask you: what are those drug combination regimens doctors administered at UBTH that caused severe drug reactions you talked about? Where's your link to the information? What's one of the most important drugs needed to stop diarrhea that was made ineffective because of the drug combination, as you alleged? So it's now a doctor's fault if a patient dies of diarrhea and vomiting? Or is it today that doctors started managing diarrhea that they don't know drugs that will interfere with the other? Do you know the real cause of their diarrhea and whether they presented early? Who told you that it was doctors' fault? Were you there when those patients were being treated or when they died? How many of them died? Where's your source? As a pharmacist that wants to be doing ward round, tell me how diarrhea and vomiting can be managed? Give us your evidence here. If you can't substantiate it, just know that you're a liar.

arinzos:
Keep Deceiving yourself, but i won't argue that with you.

Explain how doctors intrude, please. To the best of my knowledge, no doctor has ever practised pharmacy, but pharmacists intrude into medicine, to the extent that they now have beds in their pharmaceutical shops where they treat patients as if they were doctors.

arinzos:
We all intrude jare.
Like i said, Nobody is a saint.
We are all Guilty of it.

Doctors don't intrude.

iwaeda:
We only speak truth when we are out of governance

He didn't even implement those laudable things he enumerated here in Imo State. He's just eyeing the presidency.

arinzos:
I don't Care sha...
Its not Like Bearing Doctor will make bags of money Appear in my House.
I am just tired of all these Arguments Everytime.
Everyone should be Satisfied with what a particular profession can Offer.if you are Not,by all Means, Change.

Let them be satisfied with what they can offer, instead of intruding into medicine.

Period007:
Doctors that cannot treat their president(They are called Audio doctors)

Who has been treating him in Nigeria since the pandemic? Why he usually travels abroad is because he didn't equip the hospitals here. The manpower is capable, but they work with obsolete equipment.

DOMINO001:
Chief, with due respect, this is not the same in many hospitals that i have been to. Or is it that those hospitals are ignorant of the norm as you make it to look. For instance in ABUTH optometrist interns are referred to as doctors both in official documents and in the clinical settings. The internship certificate signed by the CMAC is an example. This is from first hand experience in case you would like to know.
You can ask question to verify this.
Thanks.

The truth is that optometrists can diagnose and treat some eye diseases. So, they're supposed to bear the title. However, they cannot bear the title in hospitals abroad. Anything is obtainable here shaa. But the truth is that optometrists are trained to consult, diagnose and treat unlike pharmacists.

seunmsg:
I can also bet nobody will talk about nepotism on this thread. The fact that the president withdrew support from Yonov Agah, a Nigerian from the north central and now supports an Igbo lady should not go unnoticed. If it was the other way round, the fury of hell fire would be a child’s play to what they would bring down tonight. I wish her the best in the election.

He was probably advised by Gambari that Yonov Agah isn't that popular to clinch the post, and that he should nominate Iweala instead.

seunmsg:
Kudos to the president for this kind gesture. At least, Igbos can now let us rest on this forum. Those among them praying for the downfall of Adesina simply because he’s from the south west can now get preoccupied with praying for their Igbo daughter’s success.

I can also bet nobody will talk about nepotism on this thread. The fact that the president withdrew support from Yonov Agah, a Nigerian from the north central and now supports an Igbo lady should not go unnoticed. If it was the other way round, the fury of hell fire would be a child’s play to what they would bring down tonight. I wish her the best in the election.

Stop that lie! No Igbo prays for the downfall of Akinwunmi Adesina. Igbos gave him a very big support when he contested for it.

arinzos:
What is your problem if i may ask.
Outside the country that they have Pharm D etal why are they not complaining.
The truth is that, A good and well trained Pharmacist/MLSt know when to Refer a patient to see a Doctor.
Its not as if Doctors are Saints too in terms of Unethical behaviours.

Everyone knows his or her job abroad, and other health professionals don't bear doctor in the hospitals there.

Samgreguc:
Any pharmacy without a consulting room is not a Pharmacy.

then you're practising quackery.

Samgreguc:
Really?

U know u did more of pharmacodynamics Dan the pharmacist soaked in it.

is there any other way it's taught again other than in pharmacology? Besides, it's a doctor that attends to patients. So, in real life, he applies it more than pharmacists. He knows more about it than pharmacists.

Samgreguc:
A Pharmacist can diagnose when it comes to minor illnesses. Everyone can be consulted with respect to his or her field. Pharmacists know when to refer patients to be honest.

It's just that the country is been short changed so we think rubbish as d norm.

Stop saying what is not true. It's not a pharmacist's job to diagnose and treat. It's you pharmacists that practise rubbish as the norm.

Snowale:
Now since you have nothing to say, this is end of the argument.

when you graduate, you will see the truth for yourself, you will find out how lucrative and profiting pharmacy can be

Where have you seen pharmacy students do more pathology than medical students? Medical doctors are the real pathologists. If pharmacy students do more pathology, when will you study all those audio courses you enumerated?

Snowale:
Doctor what!!! Seems you don't know why MBBS, Dentistry, Optometry, Vet. med, pharmacist graduates are awarded doctors, it's simple because if the extra work load and extra 2 years+ they spend in school.

Pathology is also a course offered by pharmacy students, and they do it as borrowed course just like you guys, but in 2 good years, unlike you guys. LOOL.
You think it's all about carrying big textbooks, who told you pharmacist don't but textbooks. Better try visiting a pharmacy school. You think pharmacy is easy. We do more of pathology than you guys, even those that do pathology the most ie medical scientists, they don't want on social media. Pharmacy is far broader than medicine, and it's not only limited to the hospital.

Like I said earlier. It's only an unoriented person that would see Medicine as a better course. Why most of you go into the course is because of the respect people gives to them, which they are now loosing. But, a lucky jambite that sees someone to orient him well about both courses would go for pharmacy. That's the fact, no one want to study six years in school, just to be limited to just hospital jobs or to be forced sit for several exams in order to travel abroad or be force to bribe with huge amount of money in order to get into the residency program, or be forced to get loan to build a hospital just to find out pharmacist and laboratories generates most of the money(who pays a consultant in nigeria for telling him his illness and writing drugs on paper) most later shut down the hospital which is very common, and many more.

A pharmacist would always be proud of his profession, while a medic most atimes proud of only the Dr. tag. Now a pharmacist have both. It's just a matter of time, because I know you are either an aspirant or a student, when the time comes you will understand.

medical laboratory science students do pathology more? You're funny! They just do the periphery.

Snowale:
So you think a pharmacist have no knowledge of pathology, you think all they do in 6 years is to cram names of drugs, without knowing the diseases it cures/treats. LOL, you did pathology as a borrowed for just a year and you think you are masters of pathology. Better search online about pharmacy syllabus and also search about consultant pharmacy, which is very common in US and UK.
LoL, most pharmacist wouldn't even think of being a consultant, when there are many better field one can venture in. You will find out the truth as time goes on.

And stop mentioning course to compare medicine and pharmacy, do you also do pharmacognosy. There are 6 departments under pharmacy, and you guys only does one, just like na pharmacistever did surgery. But, talking about pathology and pathophysiology, you must be joking. You think, all what a pharmacist knows is the names of drugs

pharmacists are not good at pathology. Besides, pharmacognosy originally came from botany. Why must a medical student do pharmacognosy? It's the main area of pharmacy, not medicine.