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UserX18:
Is there ever a design without a designer.

The is no design without a designer. The question is who or what is the designer?

aroundnaija:
Wahalaaaaaa


U dey find

I am here waiting for them. You can check my recent posts and see how I am lashing one Messi zombie. I get their time today.

Haryourmieykhun:
Dont mind him jare

he is a biased Messi zombie.

Kingsley1000:
RONALDO2013 BALON DOR WAS STOLEN FROM RIBBERY...MESSI HAS WON U17 WORLD CUP AND OLYMPICS...THE REASON WHY RONALDO WON 3UCL IN REAL IS DUE TO THE WORLD CLASS PLAYERS THAT SURROUND HIM(marcelo,ramos ,varane,cavajan ,isco,modric ,kroos,bale ,casmero,benzema etc)UNLIKE MESSI THAT HAS FLOPS ARND HIM

Does Messi know what it feels like to win the Champions league back to back to back? Does he? Ronaldo's balloon do'r in 2013 was deserved. If you think not, I can tell you Messi's 2010 balon do'r was stolen from Diego Milito whose performance was better than Ribery's 2013 performance. Argue with your cap.

It's now you guys are using the "surrounded by crappie team mates" excuse for Messi and forgetting that Messi's greatest and peak performances happened when he was in the midst of great players in their peak (David Villa, Xavi & Iniesta both were good dribblers and master passers, Puyol, Dani Alves, Pedro, Samuel Etoo in 2009, Henry in 2009 & 2010, Neymar, Suarez). Yet in those his peak performances, you guys hailed him as the best therefore I shall hail my Ronaldo. Even though Ronaldo was surrounded by good players, his goal scoring records were vital to Madrid's success without those records, Madrid would be nowhere. Through out the back to back to back, he alone came to the party to rescue his team mates eg. Against wolfsburg, Bayern, altectico, etc. when needed the most.

Back then when Ronaldo was underperforming and we were saying that he was surrounded by average players whereas Messi was surrounded by great players, did you people listen? Abegi Park well. Ororo is the G.O.A.T

CaptJeffry:
"...and would rather give my mom that money..."


Good for you.
Take a handshake for those words.

Handshake ke? He deserves a gold medal.

Kingsley1000:
You see why i called you a kid,and you have forgotten that ronaldo has missed pk to this part time keeper and wouldnt win them in euro...when will he match up with messi's laliga tittles,assits,dribbles and passes?when wil he reach world cup finals? otamendi and pepe is better?

when will Messi match up to Ronaldo's goal scoring records in the uefa champions league? When Messi stop missing penalties that cost his team three points in the wc and copa America? When will your greatest of all time step when he is needed the most and stop disappearing at the ucl quarterfinals? Where is Messi when you need him? When will reach world cup final and win it like Zidane, Maradona, Sergio Ramos and Ronaldo Delima? Who final epp? Where is the greatest of all time when Cristiano is about to win six balloon do'rs while he still remains at five? Does your greatest of all time knows what it feels like to excel at different teams and win a continental cup?

blackgold90:
Until CR7 play World Cup final Messi is still the best

who world cup final don epp? *slaps blackgold90*

Kingsley1000:
YOU ARE A KID.THE FACT THAT ARGENTINA HAS MORE POPULAR PLAYER THAN THE PORTUGESE DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY ARE BETTER PLAYERS,U UNDERSTAND?i know you will say that young(man u player)is better than thomas lemar or costa(juventus) just because young is more popular than them.you are still a kid bro

They are better, argue with your cap. Simple penalty against a part time keeper, Messi couldn't score and he cost his team from getting three points. Who are we to blame for that penalty miss? His team mates or coach? Argentina has a quality side that is better than Portugal bur the Argentines are playing trash including Messi. G.O.A.T that can't score free kick or penalty against part time players, is that one G.O.A.T?

It seems when people love something or someone so much, they will always fail to see fault and will always be on the defensive if that thing or person is criticised. During the 2014 when Ronaldo didn't come to the party, Messi fans were all over the place lambasting him simply because he didn't come to the party. They didn't consider or wanted to listen if ororo Portuguese team mates or national coach failed him or not. It didn't matter to Messi fans if his team mates were supplying him or not, as long as he didn't perform, Ronaldo was worse than Messi. They also didn't look at past that coming into the world cup, Ronaldo broke the record of highest goalscorer in a champions league season and was a winner of the Champions league and copa delivery rey and that Messi and co were without a trophy coming in to the world cup. The fact that Ronaldo didn't perform was enough for them.

Fast forward to 2018 world cup, Messi didn't come to the party and we heard Messi fans screaming "his team mates and coach let him down", didn't Ronaldo's team and coach let him let him down in 2014? some were screaming "Messi can't do everything, he just had a bad", didn't it occur to you that Ronaldo had a bad day at the 2014 wc and couldn't do everything? What's your excuse for Messi? If you guys would castigate Ronaldo for not simply coming to the party then you guys should castigate Messi for not simply coming to the party. Messi is also at fault because if he had scored that penalty against a part time footballer, his team would have been second with three points. Who should we blame for Messi's penalty miss? His team mates? His coach?

The Portuguese team, though not as good as the Argentines, flew high because Ronaldo being the G.O.A.T did what makes him the G.O.A.T against top players and team. Messi couldn't score a penalty against a part-time keeper and cost his team three points. Tufia!

On a closing note, if you guys castigated Ronaldo, without listening to any excuse for his defence, for not stepping up at the 2014 wc, then you should castigate Messi simply for not stepping up.

Kingsley1000:
Mind you Ronaldo is portugal's striker...all these argentine players u mentioned are popular but not that talented even di maria is being benched in psg by draxler and mpabbe,likewise dybala, mascherano is a flop in china.can rojo be compared to pepe? portugal team are not popular but they are very good and organized.unlike argentine team...AM A MAN U FAN,I MUST TELL U WITHOUT BEING BAISED THAT MESSI IS BETTER THAN RONALDO BUT RONALDO IS A BETTER GOAL POUCHER

ahn ahn! Whether they bench Argentine players in their club or not, it doesn't change the fact that Mascherano, Higuain, Aguero, Di Maria, Rojo and the argentine team are better in quality than the Portuguese team.

johnydon22:
Well you'd have to assume Amadioha wants to zap anybody with thunder


3 comes before 1 and 2.

More like, Humanity exist because Big Bang.



I don't understand this one

Sorry, I ran out of subscription.

What Amadioha is willing to do or not is not the crux of the matter instead the crux is that I have certain reliable standard that must be met before I believe in the existence of Amadioha and his stipulated attributes. Can Amadioha or his follower meet them? If no, then I won't believe and he shouldn't blame me if I don't , if yes then I would believe in Amadioha.

3 only comes before 1&2 in the steps I set for proving the existence of one's god to me. For one to say that they believe in a god, there must be a reason for them to say that. What is that reason? Can that reason convince me? On one's personal journey, reason and observation must preceed the conclusion of the existence of one's god ie. something must push one to believe in one's god. Can that something also convince me to believe? For it to convince me, it must satisfy and follow step 1 and step 2 I listed. It is only in following and satisfying step 1 and step 2 that 3 comes before 1&2. Understood.

Perhaps, I wasn't specific and explicit in the condition for me to believe in one's god. Here are the steps one must follow to convince me of one's god:

STEP 1: Define and describe your god and it's attribute.

STEP 2: provide an unshakeable, irrefutable and sound logical pathway that leads from observable reality to the conclusion of the existence of that god. ie. how, in what unshakeable, irrefutable and sound logical and sensible way, can I infer, from observable reality, that one's god exist. This sound logical pathway must lead from observable reality to the conclusion that one's god exists not the other way round.

johnydon22:
ok


let me try. I believe in the God Amadioha.

The God of thunder, lightening, justice and vengance. Amadioha has every storm in the universe running throw him and is a cause for lightening?



Observable reality = Thunder and lightening

In concept = Justice and vengeance.

See?

Are these evidences? There are observable but are they really evidence?



I do not think this is so, we in fact learn majority of our moral outlook. Someone eventually told us what is moral or not.

There is no unshakeble, irrefutable and sound logical pathway from the observational reality you mentioned to Amadioha ie. there is nothing about the thunder, lightening and the concept of justice & vengeance that CONCLUSIVELY tells me that Amadioha, as described, exists. And your connection is not unshakeable if I ask if Amadioha can invoke thunder at any given and to any target (eg. hopefulLandlord ) to show that he is indeed the god of thunder. It takes a leap of faith and is a non sequitur to say the following :
1) thunder and lighting exists.
2) we have a concept of justice and vengeance.
3) given (1) & (2), amadioha exists.

It's like saying Francis Collins is correct to be a christian. We all know why he became a christian. Is your step 2 conclusive and consistent with the idea that amadioha confers justice and vengeance or is that the supposed vengeance is a coincidence which could have happened anyway given that some oppressors of amadioha worshippers go on to lead successful lives?

johnydon22:
And this brings us back to the fundamental premise. What do you think evidence for this would be like? Your answer above is still ambiguous.



- How will this be determined?

- What if there is non implied?

Now you come. Hahahahaha

Would you require a proof such as this to agree Leonardo Da Vinci painted Mona Lisa if Leonardo were to be alive today?

There shouldn't be which is why I'm asking for predictions wee should expect met to substantiate the God theory.

There is a difference between " be consistent with" and "you must also show". Don't confuse both. I also made it clear that I don't expect anything other than an unshakeable, irrefutable and sound logical pathway from observational reality to one's idea of god. If I am going to expect anything other than that, it will depend on the positor's description and idea of god and if necessary, attributes as I would expect that god to live up to his attributes and description. No matter the idea and descriptions of god put forward, the proof of that god must not be devoid of unshakeable, irrefutable and sound logical connections between my observable reality and the god postulated.

For any god one claims to serve or just believe in, one must fulfill the following for me to believe :
STEP 1: Clearly define and describe your god and, if necessary, it's attributes.
STEP 2: provide an unshakeable, irrefutable and sound logical connection with observable reality and that of your god to support his existence.

Just like we need no one to tell us what is moral and not, I need no one to tell me that a proof is logically sound if and only if I am open minded.

johnydon22:
How would you recognize this proof if one is presented since you expect nothing in this respect?

Take for instance: A religious person says, God created man.

What proof do you expect that validates this claim?

LOL. Even though I expect nothing except unshakeable and irrefutable logic and sound reasoning which I would unfailingly spot (if and only if I am open minded) nevertheless, for this claim to be true, the following must be true or The proof that validates this claim must be consistent with the following:
1) God exists.
2) he is the God of the religion implied.
3) he has the power to do such, has a working method (which might/can be explained) and he can, if necessary, replicate such creation process before my very eyes.

There shouldn't be any room for faith or baseless assumptions. The burden of proof is

Ah! This is bad. Your pessimistic attitude is like that of someone who is battling clinical depression.
First question: 1) do you find it difficult reading and understanding? Are you recently very forgetful? Do read the same line or words over and over again trying to retain with little or no success?

Let's start here.

johnydon22:
This answer I say is quite ambiguous.

Any example of such observable reality? Any idea of what to expect?

If we do not exactly what to expect as proof, how do we recognize such proof when we are faced with one?

What to expect? I don't have what to expect and even if there is something to expect, it might very with individual. What I would expect depends on one's idea of god and it's attributes if stated. Any proof that is laden with logic and sound reasoning can be spotted if and only if one is open minded. If one simply says there is a god and stops there, there must be a reason. Question is "is your reason logical?" one doesn't need to have an expectation to spot a sound logical reasoning.

johnydon22:
Great answer.

What if then this concept is not confined to religious books or claims.

E:G a deistic God.

The claim is for a deistic God mostly is "God created the cosmos"

What do you think would be sufficient evidence required to add credence to this claim in order to satisfy your skepticism?

Very good. There need not be a holy book or claim. If one has an idea of god, he/she must provide a sound, unshakeable and irrefutable logical pathway from observable reality to his/her idea of god for me to believe or else we can agree to disagree.

johnydon22:
Does your atheism/skepticism apply on to the Christian God?

- What if the God in question is not the judeo-Chrisrian God

- What if the God in question is some form of desitic concept that transcend the conventional religious conception?

If it's for other gods, I will test them on their claims and supernatural attributes as given in their holy book as I just did for the christian god. At least the faithful of any god must provide an irrefutable, unshakeable and sound logical pathway from observable reality to his/her god and it's suppose attribute and claim in its holy book thereof.

If they can consistently show that prayer in the name of Jesus alone and not without makes amputees whole, blind to see, dumb to speak, deaf to hear, heals terminal diseases, perform miracles and raise the dead.

If they can, through their god, predict with 100% accuracy events difficult for a normal human being to predict.

If they can, with hundred percent accuracy, read my mind through their holy spirit.

NB: THIS APPLY TO THE CHRISTIAN GOD

SergiusOgun2019:
can you explain please

lol. Read about her marriage and all. Google.

Amakababe, this one get as it be. For you to get that GP means any of the following:
1) Laziness or unseriousness.
2) personal problems eg. Brain being affected(smoking weed, doing hard drugs, drinking alcohol, online pornography and masturbation, abusing painkillers etc.), side hustle due financial hardness which may affect your schedule and give you little time for rest etc.

NB: Scoring 204 in jamb doesn't prove anything. It's not a great score for someone who wants to score first class in engineering and graduating with a first class doesn't mean that you will get a job. This is Nigeria.

If your problem is (1), you have to spend more time on your studies, work smart and spend all your energy and time on your studies. Don't set your mind on first class rather look to giving your best at any up coming test or exam.

If your problem is (2), you need to first settle those personal problems first as any problem that can heavily affect your school work deserve to be attended first. Feel free to pm me.

Especially when your motherhood and marriage are linked to $500m.

DateMynd44:
I believe you have been told about proof of His existence for umpteen times

proof? Nobody has told me proof else I wouldn't be an atheist. I would like to hear your proof. Tell me your proof.

DateMynd44:
I know johnydon22 to be an atheist since 2014 but I'm equally shocked of yours that's why I put up that surprised smiley.
Oboy repent oo Christ is real

how do you know that?

DateMynd44:
Martinez coming from you?

lol. That was sarcasm and Johnny understood that. Me and johnydon22 are confirmed atheists.

johnydon22:
Shouldn't you be vying to go to heaven? Why do you want to live longer and stall heaven more?




Wow that's a lot to take in. Preach on

This study is actually correct. I can't believe that Myles Monroe and his wife lived four years longer than Richard Dawkins and George Carlin. Who would have concluded that Nabeel Qureshi would live four years longer than Lawrence Krauss? How did Ben Idahosa's daughter live longer than the chronic smoker Christopher Hitchens? Chai, Johnny my friends, let's humble ourselves before yahweh lest we died before all religious folks.

DateMynd44:
brother the most irritating part is that this girl is a low life forming to be classy.
Mehn I've gotten over her issues sef.
Make I dey enjoy my books and my 5.0 grades Abeg but certainly since I can't find a girl right now who understands and bears with me then definitely when I culminate to the apogee and zenith of success no woman deserves to live with me in the same roof unless she's also successful.
I hope you grab

Don't mind the girl. Next time, don't fall mugu and carry the responsibility of the parents of one yeye girl. The op was biased that's why he was quick to defend the girl and assumed she has class.

If you put me I prison with this one, I will commit suicide .

Very good. All these frustrated, depressed, broke and psychotic individuals whose life problems are insurmountable and never end project their anguish on the innocent as if they are the cause of their problems.

Cc. thegeneralqueen, your input on this issue is needed

spartan117:
What's your point

He asked a question, answer or get lost?

Morocco deserved a win or at least a draw. How Iran take beat this Morocco Sef?

Morocco is better than Portugal.