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In other news, look at the Talibans' reaction when a CNN reporter, an American woman, asked them if they will support democracy and women's right, even the right of women to attain leadership positions. Where is DEMZEE (JESHAL) when you need him? What do you think DEMZEE? The video is 34-seconds long.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q0uKizAgyI

One of these days, I am looking forward to discussing women's rights with redpillers here. It would be interesting.

@Junnior

Right from day one, I have been on the side of collecting back if you want to. Though you are spot on the fact that CaveAdullam's logic can't be applied to gifts, expensive or not. For gifts, CaveAdùllam's defence crumbles. I was thinking that same, but I don't have strength to type to CavèAdullam. Anyway, CavèAdullam's reasons isn't necessarily that of anyone. I still maintain my stand. If you want to allow her keep it, no problem; if you want to collect, no problem. I don't think ego, so called dignity or perception of weakness should hinder anyone. This is a junction where we all can agree to disagree on what we personally think is okay for a man in such a situation to do.

Peàcewy's summarises what Skepticus and myself have been saying.

Peaçeyw:
If you want to collect your stuff back, collect. If you don't want to collect it back don't collect it. It is your money not mine, do whatever you want.

I rest my case on this issue. By the way, are salaries gifts?

The girl you are simping for is simping for a guy wey sabi. The girl you are spending on is spending on a guy wey sabi. The girl you are playing holy holy with or paying for sex is giving it for free to a guy wey sabi and being his sex freak. The jacket you can not give your sister or loved relatives, that a girl took from you without your consent and you simpishly allowed, is now being worn by another guy wey sabi, a guy she is simping for.

Truly, dis life no balance.

Lightheaded:
Picks mic...

I agree bruv. Something happened to a friend recently, my guy was having a fling with a babe in the same level for a while. Babe comes to his house and takes a jacket, guy tells her " a lot of people have already asked for this jacket including my younger sister I can't give you". Babe takes it to her house at night without guy's consent. Guy visits her more than once, realizes that she isn't even using it, just hanging it on a rope. Guy didn't talk.

Fast forward to later, guy sees a similar jacket in school on another guy, guy's surprised, tells one of his friends that that jacket looks stunningly similar to his because that friend had asked beforehand which he didn't bulge. Minutes later babe comes to greet the guy in the jacket. You know what that means, the new guy (which is in like the first level of university education) took the jacket from her place or she gave him. This is a jacket my guy really liked.

My guy told me he was astonished, bewildered, surprised, left agog, stunned, any other grammar that depicts shock abeg put am there. I asked him what he did, he said he didn't do anything because of his ego and self respect. I really vexed.

I told him point blank, this is disrespect of the highest order, totally insulting. I told him immediately he saw it he should've washed her straight up on the spot, treat her fvck up. Leave ego aside, it's infuriating. Even if he didn't get his jacket back, he shoulda shamed the shameless b*tch. Then warn her to never talk to him.

What I'd like us to take from the issue.
1. If a girl disrespects you let her know, don't condone such. It's weak, don't hide behind 'ego'.
2. Like they've said if you can take back your stuff in a better way, do. If you can't so be it. It's personal.
3. Learn to stand firm and say no if it doesn't favour you, don't fall prey to the "real men" or "stingy" or selfish gimmick. Na your money.

Drops mic in anger.

Exactly the problem Skepticus highlighted before someone started twisting his post and talking off point. The issue Skepticus talked about is a real problem; he wasn't just addressing redpillers. Though she might have taken it without his consent, but for him to visit more than one, see the jacket, and not say anything shows he was willing to let it go. After the disrespect and the way he was played, his "ego" and "self-respect" hindered him from taking what should belong to him. According to some clowns, he would be acting like a primary school child.

Red pill is not a system of morals and ethics; all is fair in love and war, and your survival and your best interests remain the key for redpillers, but clowns who just joined us under shameful circumstances after the thread has gone far and who didn't do their due diligence will not grab. Instead they try to act like they belong and they will just be running their mouth.

Abeg, if you wan collect back, collect back. No shaking.

Jessepaid:
. True...

But when you try to act ruthless with them..

You suddenly become a monster...

Someone will say you are not a man for demanding back your property..

Some properties are insignificant and petty to ask for return...

It's left to us to use our discretion to know which is which...

When to let go and when to show craze

Well, no one ever said you MUST collect what you gave her. If you want to collect, fine; if you don't want to, no problem. Also, no one is saying you shouldn't scrutinise the situation to know if it is worth it or not.

However, the issue is that there is nothing wrong if a man wants to collect back what he gave her. Whether it is what he can afford to let go or not and whether it is worth it or not, if he wants to, there is no problem. His choice, his consequences. It doesn't make him less of man. He isn't obligated to abide by the so called ego, "male dignity", and people's concept of weakness.

Finally, the issue isn't whether this is a simp's problem or a redpiller's problem. The issue is simply whether the act is okay or not. Of course, core redpillers who don't commit and aren't defrauded/played by an apex predator won't find themselves in such situations. If anyone thinks collecting your stuff back is childish or whatever, na dem sabi; just leave people wey wan collect alone.

Exactly what I was trying to avoid. Religious arguments have no end and they are fruitless in the sense that everyone will still believe what they want to believe.

Arteta is clueless; he isn't that good and he is arrogant. Arsenal should let him.

Think4Myself:
*****ANOTHER REDPILL YOU SHOULD KNOW******


The Bible was written in Shakespeare time sorry it was all a lie
Save yourself from the matrix cos Jesus definitely dosent exist
By this time.last year I was a devoted Christian but now I'm a happy atheist cos I was able to break free from the matrix white people put us into and everything has been going good for me cos I know that I am free

Did you know that us black people (the Egyptians) actually founded religion
Seth was good Anubis was evil but it was later corrupted to seth-ann set-an satan ... You see

Break free my people

I am an atheist just like you. However, religious, supernatural and metaphysical issues are not topics of discussion here. I get your point, but let's not introduce discussions that don't align with the purpose of this thread.

Jessepaid:
Hehehe...

There is something that you should know...

Women don't really value the stuff they got for free..

That's why most girls will give you sex when you promise to buy an item for them..

They see the sex as a prepaid payment for your gift..

An engineer friend of mine at the company I work and I got talking some weeks back...

He said he broke up with one of his girlfriends when he asked for his television and DVD player and the girls said whether she has not already used sex to pay him...

This was 1990 something oh...

I always say never put yourself in a position for a woman to tie herself to you and never tie yourself to a woman...

Mind you alot of women are entitled and senseless...

I was talking to one foolish girl yesterday...

She said if a man bought a gift for her and ask for it back in return she would not give him..

I asked her why...

She said because she didn't beg him for the gift in the first instance...

Can you imagine?

I also heard a case of a man who was abroad and had a girlfriend in Nigeria...

He was sending money for the girl to buy properties..

The girl was buying it in her name...

In the end the guy didn't get married to her..

He came back from overseas and demanded for his deeds to his properties...

She refused to release them...

She was hunted like a dog by men of the NPF...

She eventually gave it up...

If you allow a woman tie herself to you or tie yourself to a woman like the mugu in my story above...

You will always be at her mercy..

Women always trying to play smart. Sometimes, to deal with a woman and put her in her place, you have to match her craze for craze.

I said it in my topic some time back, but people didn't listen.

https://www.nairaland.com/5319206/sincere-adherents-abrahamic-religions-why

MJBOLT:

Girls wont hesitate to collect the things they got for you if the relationship goes south,I don see am happen wella.If you buy phones,wigs,cars or whatever and that sh1t is in your name,my guy collect your thing back,no let anybody shame you or tell you sh1t.

I remember a few years back,Rick Ross collected his engagement ring from his supposed babe at that time a whole Rick Ross o.

Whether or not it is something one can afford to let go, whether or not one was emotionally involved, if a man wants to collect the stuffs he bought for a girl, there is nothing wrong in that.

If you see it as weakness and pettiness, na your own. In this place, we don't care. We don't give a fùck. If the opportunity is there and you can do it successfully, do it; nothing spoil. Funny enough, this issue of collecting your stuff back has been discussed here before, last year.

Dabronze:
@Skepticùs, Martiñez39s and Tonnñyray try to finish your argument on this thread we are gettin tired of space being wasted on unessesary argument, anybody that does not accept your opinion just let go and move on to what is important we've gettin to almost 800th Thread we should'nt be agrue on what is red-pill or not dont expect everybody to agree with you, blue-pill is just like someone who is eatin sweetend milk and cake regularly and somebody just give you the juice squeeze out of bitter leaf to drink with bitter-kola and you expect the person to tell you I like it "never" it is when they continue eating it and started havin problem with their system they now ask for solution then u give them The bitter leaf Juice and bitter-kola and their system now gettin normal then they will know the value of it You ought to put yourself in their shoe you will understand better.

I and Skepticus were not forcing anyone to accept our viewpoint. Skepticus simply argued that the mere act of collecting your stuff back is okay, whether or not your emotions were involved and whether or not it is something you can afford to let go or not. Skepticus said it is okay and one shouldn't feel bad about it or see it as weakness (as someone here does). In addition, he also explained how men's ego and sense of dignity are exploited by women in this regard. Simple as that; nothing more, nothing less. His argument was important because many men are in that trap and need to recondition themselves.

Unfortunately, someone got emotional and started talking off point. Not just that, he disingenuously utilised and misconstrued Regèx's post to act like he is right, play the victim and act like the people he clashed with have no real problems/experience. He wanted to drag Skepticus into a silly argument, and I stepped in to advise Skepticus against it and show that his point was well understood and there was no need to argue with anyone. We have nothing to prove.

• Did Skepticus ever say you should get emotionally involved in your dealings with women? NO! He wouldn't support that. That wasn't even an issue of his argument.
• Did Skepticus ever say or support one giving more than they can avoid to lose? NO! He wouldn't support that. That wasn't even an issue of discussion in his write up. I have explained his aim in the first paragraph.

Cheers!

DieRich5:
Masturbating is totally healthy, and totally normal so one can do it, if he/she likes and paying for sex I don't think is totally normal but is ok if u want to ND dats ain't simping also ain't redpill way of things.......Las Las both ain't good if ur addicted to it

Personally, I have nothing against those who masturbate, but I would advise young men to stay away from the following (expect if they are able to control and moderate their habit):

(1) Watching porn and mastubating,
(2) Drinking alcohol,
(3) Smoking weed,
(4) Doing hard drugs and substances that get them high and distort their perception of reality,
(5) Smoking cigarettes,
(6) Having an unhealthy eating habit and not doing physical exercises.

I don't do any of these, but if one chooses to indulge in any of these, it should be between healthy limits. Personally, I believe a man is better off without these. Never indulge in any addiction or compulsive habit that can derail you.

@Skepticus

You hit the nail on the head. No need to explain further. If someone misconstrues Regex's post to think they are right or play the victim or act like we don't have real problem/experience, that is their cup of tea. No one disagreed with Regex because we understood his post unlike that guy. Regex wasn't disagreeing, he was just highlighting the need to take caution and access the situation. Caution was never anyone's reason not to take their stuffs back, it was ego, dignity and not appearing petty and weak. So let them not shift the goal post.

We move.

Skepticus:
I didn't say you weren't intelligent and like i said earlier, you aren't the first person I would quote. Save your feelings and proverbs for your girls, you aren't dealing with women here.

I have made comments here and other men modify it with better reasoning aligning with the red pill. I like and also share these comments. Your comment isn't different nor special above anyone else here who align with the red pill. By the way, I used your own opinion to expose the loophole of it. Read it again and stop getting in your feelings. Like I always say, if you say stuff here, don't get butt hurt when other men expose the fault in your logic. Nothing personal about it.

Your initial post illustrated the hard truth of a particular "logic" and "ethics" which many men abide by. Also, unlike what someone is trying to insinuate, Regex never said you were wrong or that there is a problem with your write up (he admittedly had not read it before posting). It is one thing to say that there is nothing wrong in collecting your stuff back, it is another to note that one has to be cautious on how you do it. You even acknowledged this by mentioning "discretion". Caution was never a reason why many simps don't collect their stuffs back; it is ego and dignity, and we have heard this many times. That's what you were addressing.

Your concern was simply if the action itself is okay or not, and how women exploit the ego and "dignity" of men in this aspect. Don't go back and forth with that guy. Staunch regulars of the ashewo threads lack logical prowess and emotional control. Don't roll in the mud with them by taking them seriously. A bunch of them came in during that argument with Ubunja to plant mischief and they have been hovering here ever since and trying so hard to act like they are redpillers, they know game/redpill, and/or they've got it. They know themselves.

Saviolamemphix:
Live dem bunch of clowns

Some1 even said if u want to escape divorce in an evil gynocentric society just marry ur best friend and maintain frame as a real man

There are all sorts of delusions and ignorance people have that will end up working against them.

When you are so emotional, petty, childish and feminine minded that you are fond of creating many alternate accounts to respond to yourself, flatter yourself and do many more.

I didn't mention any name. No one should quote me to fight.

fattprince:
Just stop this. This more reason why he will see you as low. How can you prove he masturbates. You just assume then you conclude that it's a fact. I'm saying this because when my mom do this it's pisses me off. Just look for a way to find what he really does to insult him if you must. Not some baseless conclusion.

Lol. Don't try to get him to be reasonable; a dog can't eat grass. You even have time to take him seriously.

If I am a chronic mastubator because I shared the trending news about pornstars (who I didn't know initially until I saw the news) I saw on twitter and YouTube while following the red pill manosphere, na him sabi. Haters must want to hate; emotional guys will always find something to use to hate you. Calling me a mastubator helps him sleep well at night and preserves his sanity, allow him.

CAPSLOCKED:
WELCOME HOME.

ALL YOU NEED NOW IS IN THIS LINK: www.nairaland.com/6048178/reality-every-guy-need-know
I'LL BE WAITING FOR YOU AND THE REST OF US.

Odogwu, you are back. How is life?

In case you are wondering what you missed, I created a third meme thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/6498155/part-3-red-pill-memes-redpillers

MetalJigsaw:
Be very stingy with your attention and watch ladies consciously or unconsciously desire it.

Thiey will begin to value and respect you.

Authority: Your attention is of value

Be stingy with your M. E. A. T.

M — Money
E — Energy
A — Attention
T — Time

Beautiful!

MJBOLT:

if he cheated on her then she should just divorce him,which one is the millions she wan collect again

Imagine if a woman cheated and the husband took the kids away, used them as a bargaining chip and started fleecing her financially. Tell me people will think it's okay?

gameboy727:
Your 2nd paragraph weren't my words. I never insinuated that sef. However, I agree with you that a man who gets cheated on can also get his pound of flesh in whatever way he deems fit as long as no one gets physically hurt.

Fair enough. If a man cheats, is it okay or reasonable to separate his children from him, use the kids as a bargaining chip and fleece him heavily financially? Is it okay to involve the kids in a matter that is between you and your spouse and use them as mere pawns to get back at your spouse?

gameboy727:
Concerning this Paul Okoye divorce issue, rumors have it that he cheated on his wife with thier maids and even got one pregnant.

Now I'm not trying to make excuses for the wife here, but if the rumors are true, I see no reason why she wouldn't want her pound of flesh back for the betrayal Paul had did to their marriage.

Either way, let us just know that there are repercussions to whatever we do.

If a woman gets cheated on by her spouse, it is okay for her to get her pound of flesh.

When a man gets cheated on, he should move on and not get his pound of flesh even if it means collecting all he bought for her. Why? Because he is a man and has dignity.

SMH.

MJBOLT:

a woman staying with you when you had nothing doesn't make her different in any way.

AWALT

We are even assuming she remained genuinely stuck with him with loyalty. It could have been that they knew each other, lived close to each other and were close acquaintances. It could have been that she was close to Paul and Paul was one of the many options she was sizing up and monitoring, she could have been fùcking other guys while playing "I am there for you while you have nothing", just like other girls do; later when she saw potential and the success, things got more romantic and intimate. Afterall, given how Paul turned out in Nigeria, how many of her options were better than P Square?

GeeMos:
Who are the Others??[b][/b]

I initially meant to type "I and another", referring to Zabiboy, I didn't see the error. I have edited my post to just "I" this time around. Good day.

You brought a video to support your pay-for-sex mindset, I set you straight on that. Now you have left the video and brought arguments that you should have brought the first time. Lack of logical consistency and some bit of emotions.

If you think you are doing nothing wrong in paying for sex, why are you still bothered if others see you as a simp for paying for sex? Why not just go do your thing? Being bothered makes it seems like you feel there is something wrong and stupid in paying for sex compared to getting it free, and you want to argue your way out of feeling like a simp and reaffirm your masculinity in that aspect. Paying for sex will never be part of what we do here.

People should take a chill.

GeeMos:
Overall learning to control one's sexual urge and not being controlled by one's desire is the best, you become impervious to female manipulations. I don't think tossing a few naira to bust a nut makes you a SIMP, it only saves you your precious time than learning to be a PUA, when you can be doing other meaningful stuffs with your time "OPPORTUNITY COST". when i hear of guys buying expensive gifts "like the clown that wants to get his I phone 12 back" in the name of relationships, i feel those are the real SIMPs, But trust me bro you can't do anything with these girl without spending one way or the other even if you are the best PUA in the world. BUT TO EACH HIS OWN

I heard this over and over. I won't go into any arguments. As I have said, spend your money as you like. Paying for sex isn't part of what we do here, that's why our emotional OG got the backlash he got then.

You are not dragging anything with anybody. If we redpillers are not imposing on you how you spend your money and we have said spending your money for pussy is not or a sin or crime, why don't you just go do your thing instead of worrying about if you are viewed as a simp or not? If you feel everyone pays, and therefore there is nothing wrong with paying for sex, fine. Go do you, but it wouldn't change the fact that paying for sex is not part of this group here.

I rest my case. Have a nice day.

GeeMos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY2DK44bcKc

Those attacking King OG on paying for sex, watch this Kevin Samuel Video

No one is saying it is a crime or sin to pay for sex. If you want to pay for sex, fine, it is your money. The problem is do not integrate it into the red pill here. We are not about that here.

In the same way, if you want to simp with your money and energy big time in any way, it's not a crime or sin. Problem arises when one tries to incorporate that into the red pill here.

EDIT: also notice that the title of the video is Do High Value Men pay? not Do REDPILLERS pay? Being a high value man has nothing to do with your red pill awareness. In fact, most high value men, not all, are simps. Most don't understand game or have thought of devoting time to learning it. Most pay for sex for reasons known to them. As I have said, it your money; pay for sex if you like, but don't integrate into the red pill/game.