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ValeeLove:
a naming word.

So as God/god/goD.
The name of your deity is yahweh.

ValeeLove:
there are different categories of nouns, from common nouns to proper nouns and all that. I don't want to go into them, cos that's going back to school.

What’s a noun?
You said “ For example: Obi is a boy. "Obi" is the specific name, while "boy" is just the noun.”
Is Obi also not a noun?

ValeeLove:
"deity" is a noun. It's not a specific name attached to person or thing. For example: Obi is a boy. "Obi" is the specific name, while "boy" is just the noun. Notice how "Obi" starts with a capital letter while "boy" doesn't. So for "God" to start with a capital letter it means it's a specific name or title (same purpose), while "god" is just a generic noun representing a deity.

And what is a noun?
Are titles not nouns?
Is Obi not a noun?

ValeeLove:
my argument is that the noun "god" doesn't begin with a capital letter, only names and titles (in this case) do.

Earlier you said “ God (by my defination) is the name given to the deity that created the whole universe.”

The “deity” you used here is a what?
Hope you also know that God is for male Idols and Goddess is for female idols.

ValeeLove:
that's like saying how was - whoever created computer - able to create software through hardware. To answer your question; God needed material that doesn't last, a temporary one - and that couldn't be spiritual, cos spiritual things don't die - hence through his wisdom and POWER, man and Earth was made. Satisfied?

Who said computer software were created through hardware?

Where did your god get materials that doesn’t last, remember he created everything.

ValeeLove:
big difference, titles still begin with capital letters. Can we move past this now?

Titles begin with capital letters and SO?
What’s your argument gan?
Not only yahweh is called God, do you get?
God is a title, yahweh is a God, so as Brahma and other monotheistic deities, they are GODS!

ValeeLove:
so there's a problem right here because we know God is a spirit and therefore His existence cannot be proven through physical means.

How was your god able to create a physical world?
how can an immaterial god create that which is material?

ValeeLove:
its very simple; I Google "Yahweh", you Google capital letters and names. Deal?

Yes. God/god is not a name but a title.

annyplenty:
HE is coming. Just stay ready.

Yes, Iesus chrestus that you read in a book is coming.

[quote author=FreeSpirited post=123090433][/quote]You don’t live by sight in the first place.

Why don’t you then be away from the body and go meet your Israelite deity?
If you can’t do it but just saying it for eye service, does that not make you an hypocrite?

FreeSpirited:
Can you fast for 21 days?
No use of social media, Nairaland, no Facebook, no twitter, no sex, no porn.. nothing
Just u alone, and scripture, and psalms, and listening to some selected sermon on YouTube and listening to Christian songs...no worldly song or unnecessary association and stupidd argument.
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Can u do that for 21 days? Or 7 days with humility?...u will only eat by 6pm in the evening...and continue the routine for 7 or 21 days...You need it to clear your thought process.
We are talking of important matter u are arguing etymology and literal meaning of philosophy....very baseless argument to what I told you to do.
Naso devil dey always block una head....when someone is saying A, you will bring unrelated Z so that we can be moving in circles.....
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The son of Man has come to destroy the work of the devil in this world.
Na devil dey rule this world and all the imperfect knowledge u think u can acquire in this world.
It Is nothing. It takes u no where, it will perish here as much as it will lead u to destruction by building your soul and self-worth on them.
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Seek the ultimate knowledge that will give u true insight....not incomplete knowledge...

Yahweh worshipper, You are getting emotional now and you are just talking with feelings and no common sense.
All what you described I should do is a sign of indoctrination meant to brainwash people into slavery.
You are sounding like a cultist.

I don’t want a “ ultimate knowledge” that requires faith and not reasoning.
Why are you using incomplete knowledge to communicate, why don’t you use your ultimate knowledge like they did in biblical times to communicate.
You are a hypocrite!

FreeSpirited:
Haaa.. lol
I knew it would get to this. Been long I argued on Nairaland.
1. There's no point pulling out etymology....it's baseless and irrevlant

2. I told you to consider the contextual meaning

3. God is Satan, Satan is God, and all those balderdash and Satanic deception is bullshit and will lead u all to total spiritual destruction...no way out trust me.

4. Etymology of philosophy doesn't remove the fact that there are different philosophies of knowledge...so what's Ur problem....it's those different system or philosophies I told you to explore....

Origin, purpose, and limitation....

See this yahweh worshipper lol
It is baseless to you because you don’t reason, you don’t even what etymology means or is it “entomology ni”

You mean yahweh is satan and satan is yawheh.
Others Gods will differ on that.

I never said anything about “etymology of philosophy”.
And what has etymology got to do with different philosophy of knowledge?
Do you know what “etymology” means? Why not first research that.
You are not coherent anymore.
Arrant rubbish, i told you to start reasoning.

FreeSpirited:
Which one be etymology for this simple phrase I told you to find out...
Etymology kor... entomology no

Just look at the semantic or contextual implications of what I'm saying ( i.e, 'system of knowledge') .... nobody is telling u to study history

I even itemized the different body of knowledge u could research...yet u decided to talk offpoint typical of Nairaland anyway

Only if you do reason you will know what etymology means.

What you itemised is gotten from ignorance. There is nothing like that, you yourself said you don’t reason.
Look at these jargons
-Philosophy knowledge
-cultural and historical knowledge
-Satanic and voodoo knowledge.

If not that you are dullard, philosophy means love of wisdom, so wtf does “philosophy knowledge” mean?
Like i said knowledge means “To Know”.

Only if you do reason, you will know “satan” means opposer/advensary and your creator yahweh was a “satan” to baalam donkey in numbers 22:22.

Where are you getting your jargons from?
Have you ever in your life sat down and researched on what you told me to do?

FreeSpirited:
Imagine bringing out dictionary as if Na only u study English for school.
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Start by researching the different system of knowledge we have, their origin, purpose and limitation
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Then we can talk. Good day

No it’s not dictionary, only if you do reason you’ll realise it’s the ETYMOLOGY of the word.

I don’t think you understand what “system of knowledge” means. You’re just talking without reasoning truly.

When you start to reason then we can talk. Good day.

FreeSpirited:
The question you should ask is what kind of knowledge
Or do you think only one knowledge system exist in life?
There are different systems of knowledge you want to be slave to.....
The incomplete -Scientific knowledge-Internet knowledge -Research knowledge that is based on probability?
Abi
-Philosophy knowledge
-cultural and historical knowledge
-Satanic and voodoo knowledge

-The revelation of God and his son
Or the deceptive religion of Antichrist and Babylon

Which knowledge are you even talking about
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Illiterate, knowledge means “to know”.
When the knowledge of treating people was created it was called medicine,. When the knowledge of creating houses was created it was called building. Etc
You are already a slave to jewish mythologies, worshipping yahweh and a jewish man to be your savior.

If not that you don’t reason you will know science LITERALLY means KNOWLEDGE.

Dullard, which system of knowledge requires faith and not reasoning?

FreeSpirited:
Abi the grand purpose of life is science Abi? Smh

And the grand purpose of life is belief and faith abi
You acquire knowledge through faith abi, you don’t need to reason.

FreeSpirited:
Things unseen are greater, more, and profound than things you can ever see .

When your eyes is opened, I speak the truth, By God you will know faith is greater than any REASON u can get.....
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Even science was revealed. Anything not revealed will never see the light in the physical realm. It's the reason u shouldnt despise knowledge gotten from revelation.
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There are different levels to knowing, different levels to revelation, And are different kind of knowledge.
See the greatest Knowledge
Not the deception from devil himself
Imagine equating science to God....u people are lost....
The low level Satanic angel if served can dymistify science in minutes, let alone God...
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You people think too much of ursef

Only a retarded person will say things unseen are greater than things seen.
Even in your bible it says you should seek knowledge, it says people perish because they lack knowledge not faith.

The absence of knowledge breeds different beliefs and beliefs requires faith not reason.

You are a dullard!

FreeSpirited:
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Things unseen are greater than things seen
Faith is greater than reason
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You can never get to this level of knowing except you are aided. I'm not here to argue, just to stimulate you to think beyond your base level

Only a retarded person will say things unseen are greater than things seen.
Even in your bible it says you should seek knowledge, it says people perish because they lack knowledge not faith.

You don’t know anything, you are just regurgitating what you have been told to BELIEVE and have faith without REASONING.
If you KNOW something you don’t need to believe or have faith in it again.
The absence of knowledge breeds different beliefs and beliefs requires faith not reason.

Start to REASON and don’t base your life on faith.

FreeSpirited:
Easy life is the ultimate purpose of life to you right? No wonder u can't reason beyond concepts that are validated by mere experimental statistics and probability.

And slavery life is the ultimate purpose of life to you right?
No wonder you can’t reason intelligently and base your life on things you read in a forged book that can’t be proven or validated, and all you have are beliefs.

FreeSpirited:
You dey mind them...
All those baby philosophers that devil has blocked their spiritual eyesight.
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Philosophy and science is the most useless and limited way of knowing God. Fooolish immortals thinking they are wise...
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Science is just an infinitesimal fraction of knowledge in the grand scheme of knowing, gotten through the senses and revealed by certain low cadre angels in many cases.....
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Some of this ignorant boys don't even know science has its realm in the low level of the spiritual...but they will come here to spew jargons and philosophy they don't even have idea.
And believe is the ultimate knowledge.....lost souls.
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What you guys need is humility....and acceptance of the limitation of Man...that's the first step to knowledge.
(Anyway, I was like that before. His eyes will open someday)

What’s the achievement of high level of spiritual in the world?
The phone and internet you are using is a result of science, a “low level of spiritual”. And you didn’t need to believe in science before you used its service.
So Tell us how high level of spiritual has made everyone life easier?

OLAADEGBU:
Classical case of the Strawman fallacy.

You lack what “Strawman fallacy” means, learn what it means so you can use it correctly next time.

How does heaven and only earth suddenly translate to the whole universe?
Is there only one planet in the universe and the rest are called “heaven”?
Are you saying the universe is 6000 years old?
Are you saying heaven is 6000 years old?
You’re confused!

The definition of universe is now heaven and earth, you see how religion is making you to be dumber?

OLAADEGBU:
Go find out what the heavens mean and give us feedback on your findings.

“Heaven and earth”, are you saying other planets are called heaven? Can we call neptune and saturn heaven?
And there is only one planet and it’s earth?

Is the universe 6000 years old?
How does heaven and only earth suddenly translate to the whole universe?
You are confused

OLAADEGBU:
God Created The Heavens And The Earth

Ray Comfort

How does heaven and only earth suddenly translate to the whole universe?
Are you saying the universe is 6000 years old?

OLAADEGBU:
3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1 Simples.
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Heaven and earth now means Universe?
Your verse said heaven(sky) and earth, they were specific about the planet your deity created, illiterate people that wrote the books you are basing your life thought earth was the only planet.

How does heaven and only earth suddenly translate to the whole universe?
Are you saying the universe is 6000 years old?
Cc wilgrea7

ValeeLove:
this is better.
God (by my defination) is the name given to the deity that created the whole universe.

That’s a monotheistic definition, then tell us the name of your monotheistic deity

ValeeLove:
2 can't with together unless they agree. You either do what I asked or this discussion goes no where. And you're wrong, it's relevant. You were disputing it right from the beginning.

It’s irrelevant!
Hundreds of thousands of people are called Bishop, even though it’s a personal name, not only your friend is called that, same way as yahweh is a God, Allah is a God, other monotheistic deities are GODS!

Why don’t you google yahweh too then you’ll understand why he is called a God!


Like you said “atheists don't believe in any god.”
Since i now know the god you want me to “believe” exist, let’s go straight to the israelite deity.

Hope you know that christianity and islam has their roots in Judaism?

ValeeLove:
fine, it doesn't change it's etymology. Still Google it and tell me what you got.

It’s irrelevant in this discussion.
This is a very weak point.
God as a name means idol, God as a title means idol, not only your deity yahweh is called “God”, other monotheistic deities are called that too.

Like you said “atheists don't believe in any god.”
Since i now know the god you want me to “believe” exist, let’s go straight to the israelite deity.

Yahweh worshipper, Hope you know that christianity and islam has their roots in Judaism?

Please google YAHWEH.

ValeeLove:
Google whether all names in a sentence start with capital letters.

How does that change the etymology of the word?
God does not mean creator of the universe as a name or a title..
Yahweh worshipper, You writing it as God or god does not make it so.

If they ask your friend Bishop the meaning of his name, he will still have to pick the answer from the etymology of the word.

Please google YAHWEH.

ValeeLove:
Did you Google what I asked you to? Doing that will end this conversation once and for all; I can't be going back and forth with you on this primary 1 topic. Do it, tell me what you saw then we can have a conversation. It's that simple.

You already said it doesn’t change the etymology of the words, so google what?

I’ll show you yahweh statue soon so you will understand what “god” means that way we’ll end this conversation once and for all.
You are being emotional to your Israelite idol.

ValeeLove:
answer this; why was "god" needed to be capitalized?

Please read.

ValeeLove:
I don't Yoruba that much, but they'd probably mean the same thing, but serve different purpose. As one would be a noun, while the other is probably a verb.

Lol. The difference between a noun and verb is capital letter, i have been writing in capital letters mostly so all my words are verbs?

ValeeLove:
agreed. The etymology may not change but it's meaning in the sentence has.

God and god means same thing.
Though “God” is mostly use by monotheistic worshippers to call their various deities.