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ValeeLove:
the creator of the universe. And yes Muslims also believe the creator of the universe is God, but not Yahweh. That's were the blasphemy comes from. They claim christians and muslims share the same god, but these indices show other wise.

Allah is a God.
Yahweh is also a God.
Brahma is a God.
God is a title not a person.

Yahweh is an orphan god adopted by the Israelites and they made him their national god thats why you see all the attributes they gave him in the tanakh.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen any Muslim claim they worship yahweh.

ValeeLove:
the pronunciation is the same but how and where you put them in a sentence differs.

In yoruba language, what does bayo mean?
What does Bayo mean?

ValeeLove:
you have no idea how wrong you are.

bishop as a name or Bishop as a title does not change the ETYMOLOGY of the word.

ValeeLove:
atheists don't believe in any god. Now can we stop complicating things and go straight to the point, what do you want to see?

It’s you that is complicating things.
Atheist comes from Atheos. A means without, theos means gods, together it says “without gods”.
So if you are asking atheists questions haven’t you already qualified your deity as “god”?
Now back to your question.
“ WHAT WILL IT TAKE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT GODS TRULY EXISTS? I TRULY WANT TO KNOW.”
Which of the gods, the israelite god called yahweh?

ValeeLove:
yes! Especially in this case "Bayo" is a person's name, "bayo" isn't.

bayo is a name, and bayo and Bayo means same thing in yoruba language.
I asked earlier, how do you pronounce “bayo” and “Bayo”?

ValeeLove:
yes it did! Google it, seriously! "A Bishop..." now refers to someone who bears the name "Bishop" with other people of same name. Get it now? Why are you asking my these?

If you want to write a name, you don’t need to put “A”.
There is nothing like “A paul”
Paul and paul mean same thing.
The capital letter didn’t decide if it’s a name or not you putting “A” decides it

Also bishop as a name or Bishop as a title does not change the ETYMOLOGY of the word.

Get it now?

ValeeLove:
and "God" from the Germanic root doesn't refer to the generic "god" we all know and it's capital 'g' isn't cos the dictionary is explaining what the word means? You do now that every word being explained by the dictionary starts with a capital letter right?

God from germanic root means idol.
Generic “god” is also from Germanic root means libates upon/idol.

Look up on the history on how god became capitalized, and how capital letter god is used for monotheistic deities.

You don’t know what an atheist is. You are only going to regurgitate what you have been told.

ValeeLove:
I know "atheist" and that's enough for this thread.

A brahma worshipper is not an atheist, hope you know?
So which gods do atheists have to “believe” exist?

ValeeLove:
Dude Google it, ask someone close to you; you need a capital letter to write a person's name in English. This is known.

And writing someone’s name In small letters changes its meaning from when it was in capital letter?
Does bayo and Bayo mean same thing?
Writing it in capital letter is formality!

ValeeLove:
the difference is in how and where it's been put in a sentence. For example: "A bishop came to buy something in my supermarket" is different from "Bishop came to buy something in my supermarket". Get it now?

Why did you remove the “A”?
What’s the difference between this
“A bishop came to buy something in my supermarket" and "A Bishop came to buy something in my supermarket".
Did the capital letter change anything?

Get it now?

ValeeLove:
a picture about the origin of the word "God". This is so helpful I don't know what to do with it. Am I sure not to be wasting my time here? What is your aim here? Why are you asking me these unnecessary questions?

God is of germanic root, do you think it’s one “spiritual” word bwahahaha

You claimed why don’t i believe in “God”, and yet you don’t know what “God” means, you don’t know what atheist mean.
Yahweh worshipper, You see that religion thrives on ignorance.

ValeeLove:
I would have told you th difference between 'atheos' and 'Atheos'; if I knew what it meant or it's need in this discussion! The difference between a name and a noun isn't of much relevance here, you give me the answer to my earlier question.

You don’t know what atheos means yet you opened up a thread talking about atheists?
What do you even understand by atheist?
Hope you know you are a theist?

What’s the difference between atheist and Atheist?

ValeeLove:
so how were people's names represented and differentiated? (Don't ask me why I'm asking you, you seem to know a lot on foreign languages)

So you need capital letter for people’s name to be represented and differentiated?
What’s bayo and Bayo?

God is a title, yahweh is a god, allah is a god, zeus is a god. You writing it as GOD doesn’t change anything.
Read!

So which of the gods do i have to “believe” exist, yahweh?

How do you pronounce “bishop” and Bishop when calling his name since they are not the same, have you become empty?

ValeeLove:
forget that 'Bishop' issue, that is between you and your English teacher (if you had one).
From your second comment, I may see your problem and it's in stages. First off, do you believe in spirits?

You are that one that’s thinking unintelligently saying capital letter will change the meaning of a word. You and your English teacher are dullards lol.

What do you understand by “spirits”?

ValeeLove:
no o. You can't completely ignore what I said and talk totally out of point. Go back to what I wrote and tell me whether you disagree or not.

you wrote jargons.
What’s the origin of the word god/God/GOD/goD?

ValeeLove:
check this comment well, you missed it up.
How are capital letters represented in Greek and Hebrew? That's where your answer is.

Hebrew letters have capital letters?

From 4th century BC until the 9th century AD Greek characters were written only in upper case and, since the letters were carved into wood, stones or marble, calligraphy was a luxury.

What’s the difference between atheos and Atheos in greek?

ValeeLove:
you didn't say anything critical here. My comment still stands. "bishop" isn't the same as "Bishop" (I literally know someone who bears "Bishop" as a name but isn't a bishop in real life). Are we seriously going to be having a back and forth on this cos I'm not giving my attention for that. What must be done for you to believe God exists?!

How do you pronounce “bishop” and Bishop when calling his name since they are not the same.

Which of the gods do i have to “believe” exist?

ValeeLove:
the title style requires that all the major words in that sentence start with a capitalized letter. My teacher used to use that same style back then in school so it isn't a pointer to the fact that "god" starts with a capital "g". Hope this part of the argument has been squashed? You're moving with no direction. The title of this post is clear, what will it take for you to believe that God truly exists?

To show how confused you are, your topic said “atheist”, you have already agreed that your god is a theos and atheists from Atheos means rejection of all theos.

Who and what are theos?
You will learn today!

ValeeLove:
Again 'bishop' isn't the same as 'Bishop'. The first one "bishop" is used to represent a spiritual authority, while "Bishop" is simply a person's name.

Show me where you got this

ValeeLove:
the Yahweh I know refers to God himself, creator of the universe. I don't know which small god you're referring to.
Again 'bishop' isn't the same as 'Bishop'. The first one "bishop" is used to represent a spiritual authority, while "Bishop" is simply a person's name. How that would have been translated to English if it was written in another language is the same way "God" and "god" would have been.

The yahweh you have been indoctrinated with by reading the tanakh claimed many things.
Where did you get that “Bishop” represents a spiritual authority while “bishop” is a person mame?

So what is the translation in the language that the bible was written?
What’s “god” in hebrew and “God” in hebrew?
What’s “god” in greek and “God” in greek?

ValeeLove:
the title style requires that all the major words in that sentence start with a capitalized letter. My teacher used to use that same style back then in school so it isn't a pointer to the fact that "god" starts with a capital "g". Hope this part of the argument has been squashed? You're moving with no direction. The title of this post is clear, what will it take for you to believe that God truly exists?

You said nothing, you are the one confused.
Which god do i have to “believe” that he exist? Yahweh? Allah?

ValeeLove:
well like I said he is God. He is the true god who's name is God. He has other names like, especially Yahweh.

Yahweh is a small israelite god, the same way allah is arabic god.
Of course to a yahweh worshipper, yahweh is the true god.
“God” is an English word, was your New Testament or Old Testament written in English ?
What was used in replace of “God”?
Before your bible was translated to English, what was “God” used for?
I’m not responsible for your ignorance, yahweh worshipper.

ValeeLove:
well God isn't just a god, he is the god. The creator of the universe. 'God' is more of a name than just a noun hence it starts with a capital letter. You ignorantly put a capital 'g' while describing gods and meanwhile the picture you posted describing Brahma, didn't. See the difference?
Of course everyone can lay claim to creating the universe, but what is your plight - that God didn't create the universe or that a god didn't?

God is a noun.
You been indoctrinated and thinking capital g is different from small letter g just shows your level of brainwashing.

Which of the Gods created the universe?
The picture I posted did you see “the hindu God who created the World”
Is it that god?

IyaebeTheGreat:
Adultery is totally condemnable so your response implies that you see no wrong in it as long as there's consent and I'm like 😲

If it’s condemned why are you are not abusing the person offering it?
You don’t see anything wrong in a married woman offering sex around?
You have to offer sex before adultery can happen, it is step by step.

IyaebeTheGreat:
Using question to answer question

Before i can agree to a married woman consent, does this she has to offer it first?
You don’t see anything wrong in a married women offering sex around?

IyaebeTheGreat:
Ewooo you don't see anything wrong in sleeping with a married woman even if she consent to it? Can you do it?

Can you as a married woman give consent to cheat on your husband?

IyaebeTheGreat:
Is it right to be sleeping with a married woman and taking her away from her husband's house?

If the married woman is willing and not forced, how is it not right?

ValeeLove:
God (creator of the universe), not gods.

And “God” does not mean creator of the universe,that’s a monotheistic definition, so tell me what’s the name of your monotheistic deity, is it the Christian god called yahweh?

ValeeLove:
God (creator of the universe), not gods.

Yes, we have different Gods laying claims to be creator of the universe.

And I’m sure you went to school and you know what plural and singular means.
Yahweh is a God, yahweh and allah are Gods
Yahweh is not a “Gods”.

ValeeLove:
WHAT WILL IT TAKE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT GOD TRULY EXISTS? I TRULY WANT TO KNOW.

Which of the gods? Yahweh?

CAPTIVATOR:
God doesn't use his power to know to override our freewill , Read Genesis 22:12 , God said ' NOW I KNOW Abraham is God fearing ' meaning he didn't choose to foreknow Abraham's choices.

Why is he sending sinners to hell then if he doesn’t use his powers to override freewills?

So he didn’t know abraham choices, that means he is not all knowing.

[quote author= post=123028411]Femi Otedola needs to stop regaling the public with cock and bull stories. If we are to believe him, then in the past few months, his life has become an intriguing Nollywood movie. After he claimed that a mysterious Alhaji tried to convince his butler to poison him, he fled to the United Kingdom and promised to remain there till the police solved the case. When I first heard that remarkable story, I wondered why the newly named “Forbes” billionaire did not simply arm his butler with a surveillance device and instruct him to get some evidence of the conspiracy on tape. That way, Otedola would have been able to back his incredible tale with some proof.

Otedola did not stop there. He cooked up another creative ploy to tarnish the image of Alhaji Aliko Dangote, a towering industrialist whose philanthropy and dedication to Nigeria has added great value to the Nigerian economy. Through African Petroleum, the oil company which he controls, Otedola placed some advertisements in leading Nigerian newspapers claiming that Dangote and Nova securities were responsible for the steep fall of AP’s share price on the Nigerian Stock Exchange. The company supported its claim with CSCS statements purportedly belonging to Dangote and Nova Securities and asked the SEC to launch an investigation.

The SEC investigated the allegations and concluded that there was no proof that Dangote instructed his stockbroker to manipulate AP’s shares. It also concluded that the CSCS statements were fraudulently obtained and fined AP and NOVA for their respective offences. They also barred NOVA Securities from operating in the stock market for a certain period of time. Since then, Otedola has allowed his odium for Dangote drive him into a maniacal rage that could eventually result in self-immolation.

The truth is that Otedola is Nigeria’s greatest manipulator and economic saboteur. With the backing of some powerful government officials, he singlehandedly bullied Peter Okocha’s Sadiq Petroleum into selling its stake in AP and then manipulated the company’s stock to abnormal heights prompting an SEC investigation. He the colluded with Afribank Registrars to withhold share certificates from investors who wanted to sell their shares. When the stock market collapse sparked a run on the stock exchange, shares of companies like AP were the first to fall.

Instead of admitting that AP’s shares were manipulated, Otedola decided to accuse Dangote of being behind the fall simply because his plan to buy Chevron Texaco’s marketing arm had been thwarted by Sayyu Dantata, a relative of Dangote. Femi Otedola’s willingness to destroy Dangote at all cost is becoming a matter of national security. We understand that he has threatened to do everything within his power to destroy Dangote’s businesses. Otedola should remember that the Dangote Group is one of the major pillars of the Nigerian economy and that any attack on Alhaji Aliko Dangote is an attack on Nigeria.

Unlike Otedola, whose shameless racketeering and price-fixing is destroying the economy, Dangote has invested a lot of money in the real sector and is a role model for future generations. We are worried that Otedola’s envy could soon blow over and propel him to do something that he would forever regret. Last year, he announced a much publicized 2 billion naira investment in the sugar and cement sectors ostensibly to crash the prices and make life easier for the common man. He then launched an intensive advertising campaign promoting Otedola Portland Cement. Dangote did not try to stop him because as a true capitalist, he believes in healthy competition. However, Otedola is yet to produce a single bag of cement or one cube of sugar.

In order to understand Otedola’s animosity towards Dangote, it is pertinent to examine the cause of this crisis. Sometime last year, Chevron Global Holdings announced that it had sold 60% of its Nigerian subsidiary to Corlay Global SA and Petrocci Holdings, companies controlled by Sayyu Dantata, a nephew of Dangote who is a billionaire in his own right. When Otedola heard the news, he went ballistic and claimed that Dangote had stabbed him in the back by using Sayyu Danatata as a front to clinch the deal. He claimed that he had discussed his strategy with Dangote and that they had a gentleman’s agreement that they wouldn’t encroach on each other’s business.

Since then Otedola has launched a war against Dangote by sponsoring media attacks against him and generally impugning his character. Otedola does not understand that Aliko Dangote and Sayyu Dantata are two different people. Sayyu Dantata is an independent and successful businessman who takes his own decisions. Even if he wanted to, Dangote cannot stop him from buying something that he wants. He does not need Dangote’s support to obtain financing from Nigerian banks. According to industry insiders, his turnover for last year was almost 200 billion naira.

Otedola on the other hand is a crooked businessman who has gained a reputation for selling adulterated diesel products and sabotaging Nigeria’s power plants. His main reason for attempting to buy Chevron Texaco was to keep the price of diesel unnaturally high thereby increasing the operating costs of Nigeria’s struggling industries. Nigerians should be grateful to Sayyu Dantata for saving them from this incorrigible monopolist. He should leave Aliko Dangote alone. Dangote has distinguished himself as a great Nigerian who has provided employment for numerous Nigerians.

Otedola parlayed the money that his father took from Lagos. We remember when Otedola was a printing consultant hanging around Global Excellence’s offices and begging Mayor Akinpelu to get jobs for him. Now that he is wealthy, he has become a monster who routinely arrests his workers and once beat up a reporter for daring to take photographs of his house. He is also a known pervert who has subjected his wife to years of abuse and even sleeps with Zenon’s married company secretary, Yewande Giwa.
https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/376/femi-otedolas-dirty-deals.html[/quote]Where is the proof to this your own tale?