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Slynation:
I want a woman that I would be very proud of and not one that I will manage for a lifetime...

But no one is perfect, so there’s still some things that you’ll manage in her.
Marriage is about compromise!

Bull shit.

triplechoice:
I know that and don't think there's really anything like Christian word. Christianity is practiced by humans not aliens that may use non human language to communicate.

I am concerned with the meaning of the word, sin, a human language, in Christianity where the word is currently and mostly used .
I said I will be back. Be patient

The Old Testament talks about “cheta” which translates to sin in ENGLISH LANGUAGE , and the greek equivalent is “harmatia” which translates to sin in ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
Old Testament was written in Hebrew.
New Testament was written in Greek.

Listen, “Sin” is an English word, the latins, french, greek or Hebrew people that are Christians won’t call it “sin”.
“Sin” is the English translation of Greek “harmatia” in the Christian theology.
This is basic.

I replied to your mention, I’m chilled, don’t fret, you are trying too hard!
I overestimated you, I didn’t know you were this basic, I’ll come down to your level now.

smachboss01:
Please paste the link to the rubbish you are posting ...
The doctrine" you gain salvation by repentance.... accepting Jesus Christ as lord and personal saviour... and believing and fearing God almighty"

You are calling the first and original New Testament called codex sinaiticus rubbish, exactly you are Right.
It’s also the most DOCTORED AND EDITED DOCUMENT IN HISTORY.

Lawag3:
We don't know when he was born but we know he started his ministry in the reign of those four kings which is 740-701BC although they were three writers of Isaiah who were Isaiah himself king Hezekiah or a second prophet whose name we don't know and a third prophet who we also know nothing about (this two prophets may also be the same person) wrote the book let me explain

According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides.


How the Jewish sages came to this conclusion is clear. The first verse of the book says that the prophet prophesied during the reigns of four Judean monarchs, the last of whom was Hezekiah. It would make sense that it was the king and his scribes who put together the compilation of Isaiah's prophecies after his death.


It would also make sense for a royal archive, if one existed in First Temple Jerusalem, would likely have contained records of prophecies. The royal archives of the Semitic city-state of Mari (in today's Syria) held records of prophecies 1000 years before Hezekiah. The royal archives of the Neo-Assyrian capital Nineveh held records of prophecies too, some written just a few decades after Isaiah's time. Keeping records of prophecies in royal archives may have been the norm or because some chapters were written in another language and made no mention of Isaiah They had to have been written by someone living after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE. The original Isaiah lived more than a century earlier, so could not have said “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins” (40:2.)

These chapters had to have been written by some other prophet living in the context of the Babylonian Exile. Since we do not know his name, scholars refer to him (or, less likely, her) as Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah.

The prophesies in the last 10 chapters of the book (56-66) seem to have been written by yet a third prophet, who lived after the Babylonian Exile, during the early Second Temple period (probably the fifth century BCE). “Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people“ (56:7), - this for example would not have been written by a prophet living in a time that the Temple lay waste.Scholars call this prophet Third Isaiah or Trito-Isaiah, though some think the language of Second and Third Isaiah are so similar that they may have been the same person writing before and after the return to Jerusalem.

Let me find the YouTube video I will post the link

the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides? Ooh really

The original Isaiah lived more than a century earlier, so could not have said “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins” (40:2.)

These chapters had to have been written by some other prophet living in the context of the Babylonian Exile. Since we do not know his name, scholars refer to him (or, less likely, her) as Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah.

The prophesies in the last 10 chapters of the book (56-66) seem to have been written by yet a third prophet, who lived after the Babylonian Exile, during the early Second Temple period (probably the fifth century BCE).

We are making progress.

smachboss01:
And still doesn't contradict its doctrine till today
Cam your say the same about ya "preserved word-word" koran?

Which doctrine?
When did iesus chrestus became divine?

smachboss01:
Lolzzz how many people died in yeman war.... answer me!!!
How many blacks did your religion kill in north Africa
How many people died in iraq-iran war?
How many people died in iran-saudi Arabia war
How many people died in shia and sunni war amd still being killed Remember deborah Samuel
How many people did ya dead criminal kill??

Makes me remember the crusaders and the thirty years wars that alone killed over 12 million.
https://www.nairaland.com/7325306/thirty-years-war

Cannibals!

triplechoice:
I will respond more to this later when I am less busy.

But in the meantime does the word, sin, mean a failure in Christianity?. Yes or no

The op is concerned with sin as Christians understand it and not any other

It appears to mean you're running away from something.

I will be back to point this out

“Sin” is not a Christian word.
The New Testament created by earlier Christian was written in greek, and harmatia was used to replace hebrew cheta.

Stop assuming and start being factual.

Lawag3:
I don't remember me typing he lived 740-701 that was the length of his ministry he served as a prophet for 40 years

I'll try finding some YouTube videos I watched I will send you a link of it

What century did he live?
The reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah are what century?

I’m waiting for the links that’s what i asked for initially, since you have done your research and the bible is a accurate history book, you just posted something with nothing to back it up.


And what about the other book, send your findings were they are accurate history.

Lawag3:
Ok if you are talking about Isaiah then this is what I know


Isaiah (the son of Amoz) is the author of the book of Isaiah. His name means “the Lord is salvation,” and this idea is reflected in his writings. Isaiah served as a prophet in Jerusalem for about 40 years (approximately 740–701 B.C.), during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah. Isaiah was married and had at least two sons (see Isaiah 7:3; 8:1–3). “Tradition states that he was ‘sawn asunder’ during the reign of Manasseh” (Bible Dictionary, “Isaiah”).

When and where was it written?
The book of Isaiah was written sometime during the ministry of Isaiah (approximately 740–701 B.C.). Since Isaiah’s ministry was centered in Jerusalem, this is the most likely location of the book’s origin.

What are some distinctive features of this book?
“Isaiah is the most quoted of all the prophets, being more frequently quoted by Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John (in his Revelation) than any other Old Testament prophet. Likewise the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants quote from Isaiah more than from any other prophet” (Bible Dictionary, “Isaiah”).

Isaiah prophecies the coming of Jesus the messiah and In one of the most amazing prophecies of the Bible, the Lord revealed Cyrus’s decree to free the Jews to Isaiah. One hundred fifty years before Cyrus lived, the prophet calls him by name and gives details of Cyrus’ benevolence to the Jews: “This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him . . . ‘I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me’” (Isaiah 45:1, 4; see also 41:2-25; 42

Are you happy now.

Send me links to all these claims.
Lol, You said Isaiah lived 740-701 BC, and he started writing 740-701BC?

Tertulian will be proud

This is cheap.

triplechoice:
An English word with a meaning. What is the meaning?

This is getting lame.

triplechoice:
Then what is sin? Just a word?

An English word with a meaning.
Just as cheta and harmatia has a meaning lol

The bible used by Christians was not originally written in English, these are later translations.

triplechoice:
Harmatiology, not harmatiaology wrongly spelt by you, is the study of the concept of sin, harmatia. Ok

The word,Sin has it's origin in old English/Latin.

So who are those currently involved in studying harmatiology?

That’s a basic error, you are trying too hard. Its correctly spelt in all the pictures I’ve been sending you if you can just read it.

Harmatiology is the study of harmatia.
Harmatiology is the study of sin.
Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek.
And they use cheta for sin in hebrew, and harmatia for sin in greek.

This term is used in christian theology, who is supposed to study it?

Amujale:
Jesus is a fictional character.

The printing press was invented in 1439.

Iesus chrestus is a fictional character.
Iesus is a common latin name gotten from Yeshua and a lot of jews bear that.

Printing press for?

Amujale:
Not really, 'the schism' occurred in 1054 CE and was the separation of the Western Roman empire (Roman Catholic from their Easter Roman empire counterpart ( Eastern Othodox).

The Catholic - Protestant split, is a more recent occurrence.

Okay, “the great schism” Separation of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox.
The Roman Catholic are more practical with their religion, while orthoDOXY from DOXA practice more of faith and belief.

triplechoice:
I have seen the screenshot ,but you're missing something.

Is harmatia a Christian theology ? If it's, how? Explain

I am not a Christian, but understand this better than you through past association with the rellgion. You have an outsider perspective of the whole thing.

What's correctly understood by those who use it in Christianity, is that hamartiology is part of church theology, while harmatia is just the concept of sin that is connected to it.

You're discussing what you don't fully understand. Those Google research and screenshots are not helping you.

Ooh man.
Is “sin” a Christian theology?
What’s sin in Hebrew? What’s sin in greek?
“Sin” is not a Hebrew or greek word.
The bible was written in greek and hebrew.

Harmatia is not concept of sin, Harmatia literally means SIN in Christian theology.
Harmatiaology is the study of SIN(harmatia).

I don’t know why you are finding it hard to understand that harmatiaology is the study of harmatia lol.

You are the one trying so hard to understand a simple term. Stop assuming and be factual.

Amujale:
Yes, Nicene Christianity was created under the auspices of the Romans at Constantinople. i.e ala Contantine (I)

That’s where iesus chrestus and the New Testament was created.

Amujale:
Christianity was created by the Romans, however, it wasn't necessarily created in Rome.

I know that sounds a tad contradictory, but it isn't.

Christianity was created under the auspices of the Eastern part of the Roman Empire, more commonly known as Byzantine.

According to Roman history, there was two parts of the Roman empire, the Western and Eastern, this came about due to what is commonly known amongst the foreign extremist ideologies as 'the schism'.

I meant, nicene Christianity was created in rome.
What you are talking about is “chrestianity”.

The “great schism” is the separation of the Roman Catholic from Protestant.

triplechoice:
We are not talking about the reason for it's use in Christianity or it's origin, that's beside the point, but what it has come to mean as used in discussing church theology or hamartiology

You seem hung up on the etymology of the word and don't understand that the meaning of words are not fixed laws. Through usage, words can evolve into new forms or given different or additional definition that may be far removed from it's
origin.

What is harmatia as it's understood within the church? Your answer please

You are yet to understand, because the picture is not even talking about the etymology of “harmatia” but HOW IT IS BEEN USED IN THE CHURCH.

Christianity was created years after jesus had died. As you see harmatia was used to replace “chata” in Hebrew.
What does “chata” mean in Hebrew?SIN
This is explanatory enough, read.
Can’t you see in “Christian theology”
New Testament explained jesus teachings, jesus spoke hebrew and Aramaic.
Is the church teaching a different thing from jesus teachings?

Amujale:
Yes, olden days Greeks and Roman and their contributions into what is known in Western society as Classical antiquity.

Which Aristotle is part of, centuries before nicene Christianity was created in rome.

Amujale:
Not really, hamartia is a Greco-roman doctrine that was adopted by the foreign extremist ideologies.

The reason hamartia is used is due to the fact that it implores the bearer to feel guilty, and guilt is needed so as to pitch salvation.


You can research the plight of the Panare Indians and the Missionaries who published their own version of these false narratives so as to accommodate into their story, that the Panare Indians crucified Jesus.

Greco Roman means ancient greeks and romans.

Lawag3:
The bible is indeed very accurate I've done my findings on stories from the bible from the crossing of the red sea to God coming down on a mountain to meet Moses most biblical stories are also in history archeology also proves the bible to be correct

Even you can't deny the prophecies in the bible
Isaiah prophecies about Cyrus hundred of years before he was born even calling his name Jesus saw the destruction of Jerusalem let say seven decades before it happened
Many bible prophecies about how people of this age will be very knowledgeable how transportation will be easy the bible is very very accurate it's also the word of God even Mohammed acknowledge that the bible is accurate he called it the word of God.

You made mention of Isaiah how accurate the prophesy was and how accurate of a history book it is.

Is Isaiah in New Testament?
Show me your findings since, na problem.

You said you have done research and you find the bible historically accurate, then send me the links, na problem since morning.

Lawag3:
Why do I have a feeling that you don't understand what I'm trying to do you made a claim that the new testament is wrong following it up with screen shots isn't it ?now show me where in the new testament is wrong so I can answer you has become a problem? Just show where in the new testament is wrong what makes it wrong and what should be there then I will show you with proof that you are wrong don't you know anything bad about the new testament? All this time were you this empty?

I already asked you to show me your findings how you came to know that the bible is historically correct, before i even mentioned anything about New Testament.

Send me links of your findings then you’ll ask me of my own findings too, this is common sense!
You just looking for excuse.


Again, If you say the bible is historically accurate, what other books apart from the one in the bible or archaeological evidence affirm this “accurate history”?
You are acting dubious.

Amujale:
I get what you're stating here, yet, it doesn't make accurate.

Again, assuming you missed it the first time.

Shem - Semite - Semetic

“Shem” is not even an hebrew word.
What’s shem in hebrew?

triplechoice:
What is harmatia as it concerns the Christianity or the church. That's the correct context.
Let's begin from there before connecting it with anything.

Okay, read slowly.
The reason harmatia is used and studied in Christianity or the church is because, New Testament was written in Greek.

Before Christianity was created in rome, greek philosophers centuries before, already used the term!

Amujale:
Ideologies, concepts, names or words do not exist within a vacuum.

That is to say, you cannot invoke a false narrative as your source, whilst at the same time relinquish your responsibility for answering to the authenticity of such source.

Semites comes from the root word Shem.

Semitic comes from Semite.

Simple common sense logic.

If Noah is fake, then Shem is false and so is any of its derivatives.

“Semitic” is a derived word by some people.
Semitic languages exist and predates Israelite!
If you look up what “Semitic language” means, they are not quoting mythologies.

Amujale:
You don't need to mention the flood story before it can be implied that you have.

Unless you're claiming a different narrative to the ones that the Catholic Church peddled to ya'll


Since we both agree that the Noah story is fake, since the Noah character is fake, then, Shem is false and cannot be used as a reliable source on anything that pertains to reality.

I was talking about “Semitic language” which is derived from phonecian, one of the earliest languages which hebrew and arabic comes from.
It was you that’s quoting stories in a book.

Amujale:
You don't need to mention the flood story before it can be implied that you have.

Unless you're claiming a different narrative to the ones that the Catholic Church peddled to ya'll


Since we both agree that the Noah story is fake, since the Noah character is fake, then, Shem is false and cannot be used as a reliable source on anything that pertains to reality.

That means the Israelite doesn’t exist then?

Amujale:
According to the narrative of your own foreign extremist, who was the father of Shem?

In the mythology, it’s Noah.
Okay and?

Amujale:
The genealogy of Shem.

It goes to show the history of the Semitic language, or Semitic language does not exist?
And i never made mention of noah flood.