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phloxie:
Oga if you read d bible as you claimed you will know that Jesus came to die for our sins, stop making claims that he couldn't save himself, he would have done so if he wanted to

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Hi sis,

You probably won't be able to answer my questions, but please make an attempt.

Thank you sis.

truthman2012:
Friend, it is you who need help because you have been deceived by satan who pretended to be allah.

Moses never declared himself as the way to the Lord, he was only conveying to the Israelites the messages from God. You are wrong.

No prophets declared himself as the way to the Lord. When you speak, do it with scriptural authority. Only Jesus said " I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can come unto the Father but by ME (John 14:6)

Muhammad never declared himself as the way, even to islamic allah, he said he was only a warner. Can you see you need help?



You don't know the bible, I will advise you to stop quoting it out of context. "But if I go, I will send him to you". Jesus said if I go I will send him (Helper) to you. Are you trying to insinuate Muhammad is the Helper? Was Muhammad sent by Jesus?

What is my own reason for him going away? Make yourself clearer.



How does the bible cover the life of Moses differently from the life of Jesus? Should it say the same thing about them? What is your point here?



Where is Torah?

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I am forced to say you are too confused for my likings. I am sorry anyway if you are hurt.

How can you say Moses never declared that he was the way to the lord. Have you read the book given to him? Or do you think the bible covered everything about Moses the way the book(Torah) given to him did.

You probably have comprehension problem, by saying they are the way to the lord i mean you must believe in them to make heaven, you must follow their teachings.

You must be deluded by saying Muhammed never said he was the way to Allah.Why then is he the messenger? Why then do you have to believe in him as a muslim? Why then must you follow is teachings as a muslim to make heaven?

Look you said i don't understand the bible, but it is not my problem if the different versions of the bibles are not the same.Now, the verse i quoted for you was John 16:7 and i am sure you understood me but because you are hypocrite you pretended to act otherwise. Okay check that verse now and compare with this, "Jesus died because that is the reason for which he came and that is to take away the sins of those who believe in him." This is according to you.

I never said that the bible covered the life of Moses differently as the book(Torah) given to Moses did. But the bible didn't cover it as extensively as the book given to Moses. Same way the quran didnt cover the life of Jesus as the bible did.

Bro i wonder how you passed in school as the holy spirit is yet to reside in you. Hence, your comprehension skills is low.

Please explain the contradiction between John 16:7 and "Jesus died because that was the reason why..." as you claimed.

true2god:
You are the one dumb bro. What is the standard word for God in all mosques worldwide? Can you, if you are yoruba, called God OLORUN in a mosque? Is it not allahh muslims call God worldwide? So if muslims call God allahh, why didnt Jesus also call him allahh, even once.

Dont pretend like an ignorant muslim, muslims from time immemorial universally call their god allahh. From the pre-islamic arabs till date the standardized name for islamic god is allahh.

So if Jesus did not know the name of islamic god as allahh, so why is he a muslim?

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I am shaking my head for your comprehension skills.

Was Jesus an Arab? So despite all my explanations you couldn't understand anything until that silly lies of holy spirit resides in you.

What about Arab christians that referred to God as Allah?

I am yoruba and i urge you to find the translation of the quran in yoruba, and see how olorun, oluwa are used to mean Allah. Infact, apart from worshipping most times they use olorun or oluwa in the mosque. Visit any near yoruba mosque please.

I wonder how you passed in school as the holy spirit is yet to reside in you.

truthman2012:
Nonsense!

The word 'islam' is a deception from satan. If Moses the bringer of Mosaic Laws was a muslim, are the Jews who follow him muslims also?

If Jesus was a muslim, are the disciples who followed him and wrote the gospel muslims?

Jesus said ''I will build my church'' (Mat. 16:18), does a muslim build church?

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Oga stop being deluded and explain the contradiction which i raised in response to your trash. For clarity i have tried to help you on who a muslim is in my other post.

You are trying to dodge me again this time. Because i have already finished you with the stupid lies told by your pastor that, if the holy spirit does not reside in you then you can't understand the bible.

Why then do you need to preach since it is the holy spirit that gives understanding of the bible? Why then should i believe in something i can't understand?

Stop being deluded once again.

Thank you bro.

true2god:
Islam\muslims are great and shameless liars for calling prominent Jews like jesus, moses, john, zachariah, etc muslims. I gave up on islam\muslims the very first time i saw this claim by a muslim sheik.

Did Jesus\moses go to mecca?

Did Jesus\moses ever mentioned allahh?

Did Jesus\moses pray towards mecca?

Did Jesus\moses worship on friday?

Anyone that called Jesus\moses a muslim is definitely dumb and a great liar.

These great men know no islam. The arabs are deceptive by calling them muslims while the non-arabs have been foolled into accepting arabian lies.

You cannot be a Jew and a muslims at the same time.

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Look a muslim is an arabic word which literally means "one who submits." So anyone who submits to the oneness of God and believes in the prophet of his time is referred to as a muslim. During the time of Moses, he preached the oneness of God, and anyone who believed in the oneness of God and Moses as his messenger then was a muslim.

Jesus also preached the oneness of God, and those who believed in that oneness and Jesus as his messenger were muslims. So also for Muhammed.

The different forms in which they prayed do not matter as the books given to them were different. Also everybody prayed according to the book given to him. So the term muslim does not means the form in which you pray, but your submission to oneness of God and his messenger of your time.

Did Jesus\moses ever mentioned allahh?

This question shows that you are the dumb one here. Have you ever read the arabic version of the bible before? The word Allah is arabic word meaning the creator. Both arab muslims and arab christians use this word to mean God - the creator. Can you see how confused you are bro?

I am sure you have read my other posts, why don't you help your fellow brothers to answer the questions i raised.

truthman2012:
This is not a thread to discuss Trinity please.

Islamic version of why they wanted to kill Jesus? No islamic version in the quran. If not, quote. You muslims are just formulating the reason by yourselves.

How can God die? The manifestation of God, Jesus died because that is the reason for which he came and that is to take away the sins of those who believe in him. Jesus is God in the flesh not in the Spirit. God in the Spirit cannot die. Just as a man is a spirit living in the body. The body can die but the spirit cannot. Right? God Himself was inside Jesus and by the time He left him on the cross, that was when he could (Jesus) die.

Jesus is both Son and God at the same time. God is capable of dividing Himself into any number He wishes. All He needs to do is say 'be' and it is. Right?

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Let me help you out, when Moses was alive he was the way to the Lord; same thing to the prophets before and after him eg Solomon, Jesus and Muhammed. When Jesus was alive he was the way to the Lord so also Muhammed.

Now, you can't expect the bible to cover the life of Moses the way it covers the life of Jesus; the same way the quran does not cover the life of Jesus as it covers that of Muhmamed. Does the bible cover the life of Moses as Torah did? Please answer this question.

At the bolded, "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you." In this verse Jesus said, the helper will not come if he didn't go away as oppose to your own reason of him going away. Can you see the contradiction in the bible by yourself? Can you see how confused your boook is?

Once again i thought you were smart.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has two nature, the Godly nature did not imposed His will on the human nature. [b]The bible say God is a spirit, can spirit walk on the realm of human? [/b]No unless He possessed a body, in this case, a flesh is being possessed and its JESUS. Christ is ONE person. All the kings in the bible can be called christ or messiah(anointed one) and it is the prophet who anoint this king. But in the case of Jesus , it was God the father who anointed Jesus which is called christ the messiah. If you want to know who Jesus really is , read here , https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201:15-23

God is one and not three, but this ONE God has 3 personalities. three essence, the book of genesis proved this.

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Then God said, “Let us make mankind
in our image, in our likeness, so that they
may rule over the fish in the sea and the
birds in the sky, over the livestock and all
the wild animals,[ a] and over all the
creatures that move along the ground.”

The words "US","OUR" indicate more than one person and the word "IMAGE" indicate ONE GOD. If God is more than one , the verse should'v say "IMAGES"

The quran also use plurality to adress Allah , can you explained?

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At the bolded, does that make any sense to you at all? The same bible that said God created man in his own image. Is that not a contradiction? Look i told you earlier that modern Christianity is so confused. Can you now see for yourself? See how confused you are too.

Quran uses plurality when he is talking about Allah and all his angels that work for him. For instance if you are the president of a country you can use "I" or "We" to address your administration. When you use "We" it shows humility.When Allah says "We" in the quran he is refering to himself and all his angels. That is God is even showing humility there. Can you see how logical Islam is as compare to Christianity?

You want me to accept Jesus as my saviour right? The same Jesus that couldn't save himself when he was about to be killed according to the bible.

Bro dont be confused as modern Christianity is.

malvisguy212:
nonsense, the Jews even boast in calling him the messiah in the quran before an attempt was made in his life. According to the quran, the Jews believe in Him as the messiah.

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Oga act like a civilized person by stating the verse in the quran. Again, act like a smart person by attacking those questions too.

Thank you.

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Please why are you dodging my questions? I thought you were very smart by creating such a thread, but i am now thinking otherwise.

truthman2012:
What is the relevance of your question?

The Jews killed Jesus because he called himself the Son of God according to the bible account. Muslims say it was not Jesus that was killed but someone else in his stead. Then my question is: why are muslims not telling us the reason they made an attempt on Jesus life rather than insisting he was not killed and that allah rescued him?

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Don't be confused bro.

They tried to kill Jesus because they did not believe in him that is the islamic version of the whole thing; even till today they do not believe in Jesus. The Jews refer to those who believe or say Jesus is God as fools a little Google search would help you on this.

According to the bible you are a son of God if you follow the words of God; but john 3:16 was twisted, hence the addition of "begotten" to show that Jesus is the real son while others are fake sons.

Can you explain Trinity please? Mind you i dont want to hear that if the holy spirit does not reside in you, then you can not understand it.

How can Jesus be God at the same time the son of God? How can God died in the first place? How can God be looking at those who killed his son till they killed him according to the bible?

Bro modern Christianity is so confused!

Thank you.

eighTHREAD:
This thing is fast becoming nauseating. You claim the SS are your brothers in a biafran struggle, yet you are not happy a rivers man got appointed.

What if they weren't any credible ibo man for the job?

You claim boko haram is a northern problem that they should deal with it. Now that they have appointed mostly northerners, you kicked against it.

When they took boko haram prisoners to the east, you rejected it. Now that they have given appointments to fight boko haram, you want in. You only want to share in the gains of nigeria and not its pains.


It's either the ibos do not reason or they are just irritants.


This attitude of being irritants will bring you pains o.

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You have spoken the bitter truth may God bless you.1000000 likes for you.

attacker231:
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M.oronic ediot, You want Awolowo a civilian to face the military cos one bearded fool called ojuiku did same. You will never blame unaself but keep blaming others. Even a jobless man like you that still live with his senile mother in Anambra village will always blame Yoruba for your badluck. Leave us alone and face your problem.

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Not all Igobs do

BuddahMonk:
Which Awolowo, the one who said Nigeria is just a mere geographical expression but when the opportunity for his to have his dream country he chickened away, thinking Nigeria will be handed over to him like a piece of cake on birthday party.

Awolowo never believed in Nigeria despite that he had the opportunity to have his country yet he still sabotaged himself.

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Yea, he said Nigeria is just a mere geographical expression since he didn't believe in it nor did he want it. But since he has no choice, he has to fight for the interests of his people in it. Part of what the south west is enjoying today particularly Lagos was due to Awolowo's fight for his people.

Ahmadu Bello fights for the same thing, that if we didn't have a choice other than to be in one Nigeria with the south then we must fight for our interests. This is the why he made this statement, "The new nation called Nigeria should be an estate of great grandfather Othman Dan Fodio. We must ruthlessly prevent the change of power...." So nobody should blame Ahmadu Bello for making such statement, because he was against the idea of one Nigeria. When you force me into what i don't want then you must also accept whatever i give to you in return.

The people who are enjoying the one Nigeria mostly today are the people (Hausas) who were mostly against it. Because they saw then that some people thought they were fool back then until they were proved wrong.

Who is now the fool in the scheme called Nigeria today? The same people who thought back then that they were the smartest.

Lesson: Do not think your neighbour is a fool even if he looks like one.

Let's pray for peace

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gabazin080:
repent and follow Christ.
hit like if you support me on this

Let people choose what they think is right for them

MosakuAW:
This guy called Bukola Saraki was once a christain, he became a muslim when he contested for governor of Kwara state just because no Ilorin man will vote in christain as governor.

This guy can do anything for power, he even went against his father 'Oloye' just because of power.

Saraki Bukola is power drunk.

Dont be deceived he is still a christian, he is a muslim politically. That is why i laugh at gullible nigerians who put religion into consideration when casting their votes.

Lukay99:
Even you are contradicting yourself in your own statement

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I am telling you my brother. He is surely contracting himself. You are above the law of the old testament yet when it suits them they quickly refer to it. So, are they saying God was confused in the first place by making those laws?

@Op my roommate once had such a problem back then in school and he went to his pastor, guess what his pastor told him? You can't understand the bible until the holy spirit resides in you as the pastor was confused too.

Truth be told the bible has been twisted to suit some people's egos, but my christian brothers will not want to accept this. If you truly want to understand the bible then you don't have a choice than to learn it in the original language in which it was written. If you translate one language to another language there is no how 100% of your message can be conveyed. For instance your yoruba bible imagine the stages it has undergone before it was finally translated to the yoruba language.

Till today my major problem with modern christianity is that of trinity. If you ask them to explain it then you will be told that you can not understand it. Why then do you want me to believe in something i can't understand?

How can God allow himself to be killed by the people he created? How can God even die in the first place? How can God keeps looking at a certain people till they killed his son? Isn't that delusional to believe or even think about it? Though not all christians believe in trinity.

seagulsntrawler:
He's indeed a fearless and brave leader. Rarely do you find world leaders who do not a**e lick the US. He's in the same mould as Chavez and Mugabe. Leaders who do what is good for their people.
You can imagine the outrage he created during the holocaust denying saga, to the fake jews and their stooges. And guess what? He was right as usual.

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Yea bro may the soul of Chavez rest in peace. I love the man too.

Ahmadinejad on holocaust, he didn't deny holocaust in particular if you listened to him very well what he questioned was that why is it a crime in some European countries Eg Germany to question the holocaust, why is that historians are not allowed to make research about the event? It is a crime to deny holocaust in Germany, whereas they claim to have freedom of speech.Look at hypocrisy there.

If we are to look at it vividly the man was right, if there is nothing to hide about the event why are you denying people access to make research over it? He said the figure was overrated just to pave way for the creation of the state of israel, that the figure was used to seek the world's pity/condolence as a pretence for the creation of Israel. He did accept that people died but it was exaggerated.

He said if the event had happened in Europe why then must you bring the people to occupy palestine? Why not finding a place for them in that same Europe?

Truely there is something fishy about the holocaust!!!

phyllosilicate:
Thanks

U r welcome bro.

moufan:
former president ahmadinejad is the most fearless president in modern history,he basically challenged israel to attack its nuclear facility and see how israel would be wiped out.another president who's also fearless is turkish president recep teyyib erdogan

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Bro i agree with you 100% on Ahmadinejad but on Erdogan i doubt that. When he was prime minister then he acted like american puppet.

There is no country that will have a leader like Ahmadinejad that will not progress. When he was president i used to wonder if the man is God sent whenever he talked. He is humble, very intelligent and very truthful. He would have been more popular all over the world if not for their media propaganda, nevertheless he was still very popular among those who seek to know the truth.Could you believe he has gone back to the classroom something most even the western leader don't do?


I really love how you described him the most fearless. I look forward to shake that man one day as i can't explain why i love him. He is fearless indeed.

abubaka101:
Of all places, guy na Wikipedia u see read!? Dat's poor ooo...
Moving on, "All Arab countries" didn't fight Israel!
To begin with, Iran was not initially even an enemy of Israel. But have u bothered to ask why they initially weren't enemies? or why dey became enemies?
I'll answer d former as ur classwork, and d latter will be ur homework, if u like...
Iran prior to d 1979 Revolution was ruled by a monarch who was an American stooge. This is d answer to dat simple question.
And when d Revolution occurred in 1979, this monarch (The Shah), was chased, and Islamic radicalism and Fundamentalism was given birth to.
It's from dis period dat Iran became an enemy of Israel.
With this u should knw why Iran is feared.
Am sure ur "research" neva reach dis level.
Young man, try to understand and conceptualize d crisis, conflict & dynamics of d Middle East, wit[color=#006600][/color]hout being biased or parochial.

Please lecture him well bro he is not informed at all. This is what happens when you spend all your time watching movies instead of allocating part of it for news.

You are a well informed guy. Keep it up.

dayo23:
okay! How about Iran attacking isreal? If them born them well. Afterall iran Prime minister Ahmedinajd once said he will wipe Isreal out of the surface of the earth, up till date they can't do it. You think it easy been a king in the middle of your enemy?

Be sure of anything you want to say here bro. Ahmadinejad was once their president and not prime minister as you claimed. He was misquoted with that statement, and Israel took it up just to back their false allegation of iran producing nuclear bomb.

That man was the boldest president i have ever seen in my whole life.Go and read his last UN speech he gave before he left office.

phyllosilicate:
Sovereign state ko, Sovereign state ni, Cuba, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and all other state America bomb at will are not Sovereign state shabi?

You are a well informed citizen of the world.

Please ignore the comments of most people here as they are just commenting based on sentiments.

Bollove:
Abeg overblown ego !!

If Tinubu is super master , why did Fayose defeat Fayemi
Why did Aketi failed to defeat Mimiko
Why did Gbajabiamala failed in Speakership election
Why were Lawan group (Tinubu group) in ICC instead of floor of NASS
why did GEJ won SW in 2011 instead Ribadu (ACN candidate)
Why did ACN only won Osun state in 2011 Presidential election


You people should stop overeating , no doubt Jagaban is a great Politician that all power brokers sought as far as Southwest is concerned and that is because Jagaban boys are now controlling just 4 of SW states while Fayose/Mimiko controls the remaining two ......

Jagaban has been riding on the failure of PDP to make his shines ..... He always lost whenever PDP factor is not in his political permutation I.e anytime he imposed candidate that is not people's choice, He lost

That is how he lost Ekiti and Ondo, Speakership and Senate President ....... A God father should be able to do and undo

So you have always got everything you want in life? You win some and lose some that is how life is my brother.

Do you know what it means to unseat an incumbent president in Nigeria considering our complexity in terms of ethnicities, religions, and all other factors?

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chukwudi44:
The man is really overated. For all his noise GEJ scored above 40% across the six south western states. He organized a one million man March for Buhari in Lagos but couldn't give him up to a million votes in the main elections yet some people claim he installed him smh

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Hello, don't be confused please.

Imagine if what happened in the SS and SE had happened in the SW, I mean the voting pattern there. Would Buhari have won or met the constitutional requirement of winning 24 states. I think your problem should be, why should Jonthan lost in the SW despite how much he spent there?

Even your lord, GEJ, admitted that Tinubu is his problem during the election, remember how the sodiers besieged his house? Buhari also admitted his emergence as the president is because of him. GEJ,OBJ, Buhari, Atiku and others all acknowledged his political sagacity.

Who are you not to admit his political sagacity if those people can?

HolyHero:
if you think Israel can't attack Iran without the support of America you are wrong ... if not for America
Israel would have attacked iran and bombed its nuclear installations

You are totally wrong.

Infact Israel is pushing the United States to attack Iran. The United States does not care about the Iranian nuclear program at first, it was Israel who feel threaten by it and raised the issue and they have been pushing the States to attack them since they can't do it themselves.

Do you know how many Iranian nuclear scientists have been killed by Israel? The United States seems to be the only country that can dismantle their nuclear program because of how it was built. Infact, Israel would have attacked them if they can the same way they dismantled the nuclear program of Iraq. Look i respect Israel for one thing and is bravery: Israel will attack you if you pose threat to it, but in the case of iran it is suicide for them and they know it.

Volksfuhrer:
Spare me this Persian crap! Were these Persians not whipped by Iraq in the 1980's?

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Go read your history well bro.

Despite all the supports suddam had with the help of the west and the united states he couldnt defeat Iran. Infact, it was reported that saddam made use of chemical weapon against iran and couldnt still defeat them. Sadam took the advantage of the iranian revolution: during which the country was still undergoing some forms of reformations the armed forces included.

So, imagine if iran was not undergoing all of that. Today, Iran is really helping iraq in terms of terrorism.They are training the Iraqi's armed forces. There is no country that can match Iran in military in the middle east.

Israel is not in their equation.

zendy:
Let me ask you this. Do you think Ironsi would have been killed if he was from Sokoto? If he had been a northerner, there would not have been a counter coup in the first place. Ironsi's ethnicity was a large part of why he was killed. Yes it is true that the north held a lot of resentment towards Ironsi for trying the coup plotters and for centralising Government but the major reason for the counter coup was what they perceived as a dark plot by the Igbos to take over Nigeria, personified in Ironsi. I stand by what I said that Ironsi was killed for being an Igbo man. If Ironsi had been a Hausa man, he would still be alive today.

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You are absolutely right the same way those that were killed during the first coup because they were not igbos.

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chukwudi44:
I don't remember you blowing grammar when the illiterate forged an SSCE statement of result and up till now is yet to show us his WAEC certificate

Where were you when the NA later found Buhari's certificate? I guess you were admitted in the hospital due to the shock of Jonathan lost of the election.

Let's even assume that you are right why didn't the police arrest him then? Those that sued him to court over it why didn't they win the case? I need your sincere answers to these questions.

Open your eyes bro these people care less about you, i don't support either PDP or APC, to me they are all criminals, and we Nigerians should be happy whenever each one of them try to punish the other for breaking the law. They see it as a witch-hunt, but we should rather see it as upholding the law of the land.

Stop being blinded by hatred bro, and try to stand by the truth no matter what. Both APC and PDP are our enemies. But one of them could be our friend sometimes, as the popular saying that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

God bless Nigeria!!!

I think this man is guilty of the forgery/fraudulent accusation, why not addressing the issue concerning the accusation? Why trying to divert people's attention to the issue of personal security? What most Nigerians care to know, are you guilty or not?

Please let's understand that this should not be a fight between APC or PDP, as they are both there for their selfish interests, but rather upholding the rule of law of our dear country.

It is shameful that people that are elected to make laws are the ones breaking it, if we are to civilize as a nation we have to follow every rule and regulation.