Rilwayne001:


[b] The truth is to worship the One and only GOD ALMIGHTY in truth and desist from sin. The Israelite rejected his prophethood which is tantamount to rejecting his message. [b]And they sought to kill him because they are obstinate to the truth. [[/b]/b]

truthman2012:
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Every one of God's true prophets preached the truth. John the Baptist preached the truth but was killed specifically for advising king Herod not to marry Heroidia and other prophets who were killed were for specific reasons and not because they preached the truth.

Now tell me where the quran says Jesus was killed because he preached the truth or where allah stated any reason at all for the Jews wanting to kill him before he rescued him.

Rilwayne001:


Other prophets that were killed in the OT, can you specify the reason why they were killed aside from saying the truth?



Isn't it obvious that they sought to kill him for being the messanger of God which they are not ready to accept?

malvisguy212:
the Jews reject his prophethood that why they kill him ? Can you support your claimed with the quran ? The quran even indicate, the Jews believe he was the messiah.

truthman2012:
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I asked you to cite any quranic verse where allah says the reason(s) they wanted Jesus killed, you could not but said it is obvious.

That it is obvious is your own formulation as the bible says it was because he called himself the Son of God, which allah couldn't say as it would have negated his establishment of islam.

Rilwayne001:


Stop cherry-picking my posts. Address my first question.



This was the reasonfor my first post on this thread. The Jews are ignorant of the term 'Son of God'. Christian on the other hand are deluded to think it is what it is.

truthman2012:


Want me to answer your question? Do you believe in what the bible says? The bible says Jesus was killed for calling himself the Son of God but you don't believe and you do expect me to waste my time telling you the reasons other prophets were killed from the same bible you don't believe?

What is your own definition of the term 'Son of God'? In many passages of the bible Jesus referred to God as Father.

truthman2012:


It has been repeated severally on this thread with evidence that Jesus was killed for calling himself the Son of God.

Christianity means 'like Christ' then if we bear that name it is okay by us. God has no religion but His own people.

Rilwayne001:


Mr. man, answer my question. I don't need to believe the bible before questioning it.



The term 'son of God' could mean anything. Not literally son of God as it is been pronounced. That Jesus refered to God as his father doesn't mean he is his biological father.

truthman2012:


The bible clearly states Jesus is the Son of God and that is why he called God his Father. You are not in a position to change the bible.

The whole essence of the Gospel is the declaration that Jesus is the Son of God.

[s] Allah knew this and yet he accepts the Gospel as valid: [/s] [ Quran 5:47 ] Let the People of
the Gospel judge by that which
Allah hath revealed therein.
Whoso judgeth not by that which
Allah hath revealed: such are evil-
livers.

The Gospel contains Jesus is the Son of God and wonder why allah still denied it after accepting the Gospel. Contradiction.

Rilwayne001

Whats your take on Mattew 5:9?

Then what is the essence of the genealogy of Jesus?

Woww! Are you sure of this? Can you back it up?

Address my questions.

malvisguy212:
let me get this straight!! He enjoined them to worship one God but they refused,because they are worshipping more than one God and for that reason He was killed ? You failed woefully.
Moses,Abraham,Isaac and the rest, is it not the same message they preach ? And they were not killed. Prior to the coming of Jesus , the Jews (pharesees who belong to the religion Judaism) worship one God. So the question remain, why the attempt on Jesus life ?

Anas09:
The muslims are obviously lost. All the rigmarolling is to save face. The koran is a complete lie. Satan just placed the Caricature character of Iesa in the koran to make Muslims feel that they don't have to leave Islam before they can believe in Jesus. Only, Iesa and Jesus Christ are not the same. nothing Jsus did is in the koran, but all Muhammed's evil deeds are recorded.
Something just occurred to me. The Muslims claim that Adam, Abraham, Noah Daniel even Jesus was a Muslim. That goes to say, all jews were Muslim once upon a time. Question: when did all the jews converted out of Islam?

truthman2012:


What have all these got to do with the thread? Trying to create distraction?

The whole essence of the Gospel is to believe Jesus is the Son of God before anyone can be saved : He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him (John 3:36).

[s] Allah wants the wrath of the true God for the muslims and that is why we are warning. [/s]

Something gave rise to your question and that was my asking you to provide from the quran where allah specifically stated the reason the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. As you could not, you then raised the question. Tell me from the quran the reason they attempted on Jesus life and I will tell you the reason some prophets were killed in the bible.

Rilwayne001:
Absolute BS.

The jews mockingly say that. They do not believe.

malvisguy212:
the Jews boast, they kill the messiah, is boasting now mock ? What stop you from quoting the verse ?

Rilwayne001:


Man, that they call him the messiah doesn't mean they believe he is the messiah. They were mocking him.

malvisguy212:
And because of their saying (in boast)
, "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son
of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of
Allah," - but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but the resemblance of
'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another
man (and they killed that man), and
those who differ therein are full of
doubts. They have no (certain)
knowledge, they follow nothing but
conjecture. For surely; they killed
him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of
Maryam (Mary)] 4:157 Hilal-Khan

Does this verse look like the Jews are mocking Jesus ?muhammed or Allah is inconsistent with his word , keep on living in denial.

[b]You need to brush your brain sir. Cojtrary to the bolded part, here is what Jesus said according to your bible:


MARK 12:29-34 — And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but HE : And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices . And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question. [/b]

[b]NOW THEIR ARE MANY POINTS TO NOTE IN THE VERSE ABOVE:

* He quoted from their scripture the greatest of all commadments i.e to believe that God is ONE and ONLY. Why didn't Jesus say believing in him as the son of god is the greatest message as you have wanted us to believe above?

* They affirm that these 2 commandments nullify burnt offerings and sacrifices. Then of what point is christians claim that he died for their sins?

* They affirm that Jesus been Master (in scripture understanding) as said the truth about the scripture, that there is ONE GOD and there is no other god but HE (notice the HE in red letter) [any honest person that read this verse will affirm that the HE doesnot include Jesus. Therefore Jesus doesnt share in the divinity of God almighty]. Now did Jesus correct this man about it i.e to uphold trinity( that he shared in the diviinity?)

* No, Jesus did't correct him, rather he saw that he had answered discreetly and told him that he is not far from the Kingdom of God....

My question now is, who are we going to believe between Jesus and you

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

Contrary to the BS you posted up there undecided[/b]

I have answered this question like 3times on this thread. No going back.

Rilwayne001:


Man, that they call him the messiah doesn't mean they believe he is the messiah. They were mocking him.

truthman2012:

I appreciate your extensive quotes from the bible

Who cares

even though you did not understand the meaning of what you are saying.

Peacemakers are not fight settlers as you think it is. Peace making in the bible context is reconciling man to God through repentance. Peacemakers in this context are preachers of God words reconciling people with God. The peacemakers here are people who follow Jesus teachings and are ordained to be preaching the gospel in due course, they are the Sons of God indeed. As many as receive Jesus to them are given power to become sons of God (John 1:12).

I wonder what point you are trying to make by referring to the genealogy of Jesus and Joseph.

Even your quran confirms Mary was pregnant of Jesus without the input of Joseph. Mary was a virgin who conceived and bore Jesus.

God is One not three as the quran wrongly interprets the bible. For reason best known to Him, He decided to function in three offices. The office of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. God is capable of dividing Himself into any number He wishes.

".....more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices". This talking about burnt offerings and animal sacrifices conducted on the altar of the Jews' temple, which was how they were trying to appease God at that time, even though they didn't have the kind of love for God required of them.".....

Thou art not far from the kingdom of God". The kingdom of God is not the same as the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of God are people under God's government on earth, those who have God's words as their constitution. These are the people who will have access to the Kingdom of Heaven if they live in total obedience under the kingdom of God on earth. The people whom Jesus was addressing here were not even yet in the kingdom of God, they were only not far from it.

You cannot understand the bible because you do not have the Spirit of the Bible. All you are displaying here is carnal and head knowledge which do not tally with spiritual reality. Therefore all your explanations above are null and void.

The answer you gave was your personal opinion without any quranic backing. The truth remains your allah only talked about his rescuing Jesus from being killed and failed to tell why they wanted to kill him. Why was he hiding the truth if not to deceive mankind?

truthman2012:


This is another lie by islamic allah. At no time did the Jews call Jesus the Messiah. Though they were expecting their Messiah but they didn't believe it was Jesus. Had they known him to be and call him their Messiah, they would not even attempt to kill him talkless of actually killing him.

Keep wailing. Old wailing wailer

Rilwayne001:


Get this to your dead brain Mr. man. This is just sarcastic mockery on their part, much in the same way that the Romans mocked Jesus in the Bible:

Matthew 27:29 and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said.

Does that mean they believe he is the king of jews?

Rilwayne001

The bolded is exactly my point. Jesus is son of god because he follow Gods teaching and ordained this teaching in due course. He said it him in John 12: For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. Joh 12:50 I KNOW that his command leads to eternal life. [size=13pt] So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say." This equally makes him the son of God as per the bolded.

Can you please tell me the reason why Luke and Mattew refer to Joseph as his father in the genealogy in both book?

Ofcourse the Quran acknowledge that. My question is, why did luke and mattew refer to Joseph as his father?

yawns*** my chatbox is getting full.

Well, you can correct your masters here http://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-heaven-God.html the dude said they are the same thing. Your lie has been bursted again.

Lying at old age...Smh

I asked pertinent questions, you boycotted almost everything, Smh. OMG! at bolded. Then of what essence am I even argueing with you? Damn! you are a waste of time.

Bla bla bla. Those with active sight and brain can see that you have been answered. You can continue ranting.

Rilwayne001:


Whats your take on Mattew 5:9?

Then what is the essence of the genealogy of Jesus?



Woww! Are you sure of this? Can you back it up?



Trying to digress, isn't it?



BS.

Address my questions.

truthman2012:


What is the relevance of your question?

The Jews killed Jesus because he called himself the Son of God according to the bible account. Muslims say it was not Jesus that was killed but someone else in his stead. Then my question is: why are muslims not telling us the reason they made an attempt on Jesus life rather than insisting he was not killed and that allah rescued him?

malvisguy212:
Jesus was the legal son of Joseph but not the
biological son of Joseph.
According to Matthew: Joseph is
descended from Solomon, the son of King David and Bathseba this make Jesus eligible to the throne of David /judah.
Why luke trace it ,Joseph Os descended of Nathan, another son of David

the Jews never introduce women as direct genealogical links,

truthman2012:


Yes

mbolajide2010:
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Don't be confused bro.

They tried to kill Jesus because they did not believe in him that is the islamic version of the whole thing; even till today they do not believe in Jesus. The Jews refer to those who believe or say Jesus is God as fools a little Google search would help you on this.

According to the bible you are a son of God if you follow the words of God; but john 3:16 was twisted, hence the addition of "begotten" to show that Jesus is the real son while others are fake sons.

Can you explain Trinity please? Mind you i dont want to hear that if the holy spirit does not reside in you, then you can not understand it.

How can Jesus be God at the same time the son of God? How can God died in the first place? How can God be looking at those who killed his son till they killed him according to the bible?

Bro modern Christianity is so confused!

Thank you.

malvisguy212:
nonsense, the Jews even boast in calling him the messiah in the quran before an attempt was made in his life. According to the quran, the Jews believe in Him as the messiah.