mbolajide2010:
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Can you explain Trinity please? Mind you i dont want to hear that if the holy spirit does not reside in you, then you can not understand it.

How can Jesus be God at the same time the son of God? How can God died in the first place? How can God be looking at those who killed his son till they killed him according to the bible?

Bro modern Christianity is so confused!

Thank you.

mbolajide2010:
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Oga act like a civilized person by stating the verse in the quran. Again, act like a smart person by attacking those questions too.

Thank you.

mbolajide2010:
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Don't be confused bro.

They tried to kill Jesus because they did not believe in him that is the islamic version of the whole thing; even till today they do not believe in Jesus. The Jews refer to those who believe or say Jesus is God as fools a little Google search would help you on this.

According to the bible you are a son of God if you follow the words of God; but john 3:16 was twisted, hence the addition of "begotten" to show that Jesus is the real son while others are fake sons.

Can you explain Trinity please? Mind you i dont want to hear that if the holy spirit does not reside in you, then you can not understand it.

How can Jesus be God at the same time the son of God? How can God died in the first place? How can God be looking at those who killed his son till they killed him according to the bible?

Bro modern Christianity is so confused!

Thank you.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has two nature, the Godly nature did not imposed His will on the human nature. [b]The bible say God is a spirit, can spirit walk on the realm of human? [/b]No unless He possessed a body, in this case, a flesh is being possessed and its JESUS. Christ is ONE person. All the kings in the bible can be called christ or messiah(anointed one) and it is the prophet who anoint this king. But in the case of Jesus , it was God the father who anointed Jesus which is called christ the messiah. If you want to know who Jesus really is , read here , https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201:15-23

God is one and not three, but this ONE God has 3 personalities. three essence, the book of genesis proved this.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind
in our image, in our likeness, so that they
may rule over the fish in the sea and the
birds in the sky, over the livestock and all
the wild animals,[ a] and over all the
creatures that move along the ground.”

The words "US","OUR" indicate more than one person and the word "IMAGE" indicate ONE GOD. If God is more than one , the verse should'v say "IMAGES"

The quran also use plurality to adress Allah , can you explained?

Rilwayne001:


Get this to your dead brain Mr. man. This is just sarcastic mockery on their part, much in the same way that the Romans mocked Jesus in the Bible:

Matthew 27:29 and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said.

Does that mean they believe he is the king of jews?

Demmzy15:

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truthman2012:


This is not a thread to discuss Trinity please.

Islamic version of why they wanted to kill Jesus? No islamic version in the quran. If not, quote. You muslims are just formulating the reason by yourselves.

How can God die? The manifestation of God, Jesus died because that is the reason for which he came and that is to take away the sins of those who believe in him. Jesus is God in the flesh not in the Spirit. God in the Spirit cannot die. Just as a man is a spirit living in the body. The body can die but the spirit cannot. Right? God Himself was inside Jesus and by the time He left him on the cross, that was when he could (Jesus) die.

Jesus is both Son and God at the same time. God is capable of dividing Himself into any number He wishes. All He needs to do is say 'be' and it is. Right?

Anas09:
The Muslims are obviously lost. All the rigmarolling is to save face. The Koran is a complete lie. Satan just placed the Caricature character of Iesa in the Koran to make Muslims feel that they don't have to leave Islam before they can believe in Jesus. Only, Iesa and Jesus Christ are not the same. nothing Jesus did is in the Koran, but all Muhammad's evil deeds are recorded.
Something just occurred to me. The Muslims claim that Adam, Abraham, Noah Daniel even Jesus was a Muslim. That goes to say, all Jews were Muslims once upon a time. Question: when did all the Jews converted out of Islam?

truthman2012:


The lies told by Islamic Allah are so easy to detect. Judaism is based on the Mosaic Laws. If Moses was a Muslim as the Qur'an asserts, all the Jews who practiced the Mosaic laws should invariably be Muslims. But are Jews Muslims?

If the Jews are Muslims because they followed Moses who was a Muslim, why would they want to kill Jesus their fellow Muslim if the Qur'an is true?

Quran is pure deception.

Rilwayne001 you have an uphill task here.

plainbibletruth:
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Notice It was actually the soldiers that did this:

Matthew 27:
27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the governor's headquarters, and they gathered the whole battalion before him.
28 And they stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him,
29 and twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on his head and put a reed in his right hand. And kneeling before him, they mocked him, saying, "Hail, King of the Jews!"

You can see how as a result of either misunderstanding, but more likely that of deliberately wanting to twist the truth, a portion of the Bible is taken out of context by you.

Get this to your dead brain Mr. man. This is just sarcastic mockery on their part, much in [size=13] the same way that the ROMANS mocked Jesus in the [/size] Bible:

Matthew 27:29 and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said.

Does that mean they believe he is the king of jews?

pupsyd:

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IF ANY MUSLIMS CAN REFUTE THIS TWO POSTS WHICH I QUOTED (Esp. the bolded one). I PROMISE TO CONVERT TO ISLAM! ....ALL MUSLIMS IN THIS WORLD I CHALLENGE U TO WIN A SOUL FOR YOUR ALLAH IF U CAN! []...but failure to do so simply means Islams is a...uhmm....

Rilwayne001:


"Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)". Search this online etymology dictionary for its meaning': http://www.etymonline.com/ All prophets are muslim because they submit to the Will of God, Jesus, Noah, Abraham Moses and every other prophets are muslim being the fact that they submit ti the will of God.

true2god:

I ask you personally now, what are the criteria that makes one a muslims aside from submitting to allahh? Did moses go to mecca? Did jesus pray towards mecca?

On a modern context, since all moses and jesus are 'muslims' as you are made to believe in your mosque, can a jewish rabbi visit mecca and\or medina today without being killed?

Rilwayne001:


Moses don't have to go to mecca. Jesus doesnt need to pray towards mecca, but as long as they all submitted to the will of God as at that time, they are all muslim. Even your bible attested to the fact that they all submitted to the will of God.



The question should be, Do the rabbis submits to the will of God by believing Jesus, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be on them) as the prophet of God?

Rilwayne001:

The jews mockingly say that. They do not believe.

Man, that they call him the messiah doesn't mean they believe he is the messiah. They were mocking him.

Rilwayne001:


"Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)". Search this online etymology dictionary for its meaning': http://www.etymonline.com/ All prophets are muslim because they submit to the Will of God, Jesus, Noah, Abraham Moses and every other prophets are muslim being the fact that they submit ti the will of God.

true2god:
Islam\muslims are great and shameless liars for calling prominent Jews like jesus, moses, john, zachariah, etc muslims. I gave up on islam\muslims the very first time i saw this claim by a muslim sheik.

Did Jesus\moses go to mecca?

Did Jesus\moses ever mentioned allahh?

Did Jesus\moses pray towards mecca?

Did Jesus\moses worship on friday?

Anyone that called Jesus\moses a muslim is definitely dumb and a great liar.

These great men know no islam. The arabs are deceptive by calling them muslims while the non-arabs have been foolled into accepting arabian lies.

You cannot be a Jew and a muslims at the same time.

mbolajide2010:

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At the bolded, does that make any sense to you at all? The same bible that said God created man in his own image. Is that not a contradiction? Look i told you earlier that modern Christianity is so confused. Can you now see for yourself? See how confused you are too.

Quran uses plurality when he is talking about Allah and all his angels that works for him. For instance if you are the president of a country you can use "I" or "We" to address your administration. When you use "We" it shows humility.When Allah says "We" in the quran he is refering to himself and all his angels. That is God is even showing humility there. Can you see how logical Islam is as compare to Christianity?

You want me to accept Jesus as my saviour right? The same Jesus that couldn't save himself when he was about to be killed according to the bible.

Bro dont be confused as modern Christianity is.

Rilwayne001:


"Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)". Search this online etymology dictionary for its meaning': http://www.etymonline.com/ All prophets are muslim because they submit to the Will of God, Jesus, Noah, Abraham Moses and every other prophets are muslim being the fact that they submit ti the will of God.

truthman2012:


Nonsense!

The word 'islam' is a deception from satan. If Moses the bringer of Mosaic Laws was a muslim, are the Jews who follow him muslims also?

If Jesus was a muslim, are the disciples who followed him and wrote the gospel muslims?

Jesus said ''I will build my church'' (Mat. 16:18), does a muslim build church?

mbolajide2010:


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Look a muslim is an arabic word which literally means "one who submits." So anyone who submits to the oneness of God and believes in the prophet of his time is referred to as a muslim. During the time of Moses, he preached the oneness of God, and anyone who believed in the oneness of God and Moses as his messenger then was a muslim.

Jesus also preached the oneness of God, and those who believed in that oneness and Jesus as his messenger were muslims. So also for Muhammed.

The different forms in which they prayed do not matter as the books given to them were different. Also everybody prayed according to the book given to him. So the term muslim does not means the form in which you pray, but your submission to oneness of God and his messenger of your time.

Did Jesus\moses ever mentioned allahh?

This question shows that you are the dumb one here. Have you ever read the arabic version of the bible before? The word Allah is arabic word meaning the creator. Both arab muslims and arab christians use this word to mean God - the creator. Can you see how confused you are bro?

I am sure you have read my other posts, why don't you help your fellow brothers to answer the questions i raised.

truthman2012:


Nonsense!

The word 'islam' is a deception from satan. If Moses the bringer of Mosaic Laws was a muslim, are the Jews who follow him muslims also?

If Jesus was a muslim, are the disciples who followed him and wrote the gospel muslims?

Jesus said ''I will build my church'' (Mat. 16:18), does a muslim build church?

mbolajide2010:


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[color=#990000]Let me help you out, when Moses was alive he was the way to the Lord; same thing to the prophets before and after him eg Solomon, Jesus and Muhammed. When Jesus was alive he was the way to the Lord so also Muhammed.

Now, you can't expect the bible to cover the life of Moses the way it covers the life of Jesus; the same way the quran does not cover the life of Jesus as it covers that of Muhmamed. Does the bible cover the life of Moses as Torah did? Please answer this question.

At the bolded, "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you." In this verse Jesus said, the helper will not come if he didn't go away as oppose to your own reason of him going away. Can you see the contradiction in the bible by yourself? Can you see how confused your boook is?

Once again i thought you were smart.

At the bolded, "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you." In this verse Jesus said, the helper will not come if he didn't go away as oppose to your own reason of him going away. Can you see the contradiction in the bible by yourself? Can you see how confused your boook is?

Now, you can't expect the bible to cover the life of Moses the way it covers the life of Jesus;

Does the bible cover the life of Moses as Torah did

mbolajide2010:
Look a muslim is an arabic word which literally means "one who submits." So anyone who submits to the oneness of God and believes in the prophet of his time is referred to as a muslim. During the time of Moses, he preached the oneness of God, and anyone who believed in the oneness of God and Moses as his messenger then was a muslim.

Jesus also preached the oneness of God, and those who believed in that oneness and Jesus as his messenger were muslims. So also for Muhammed.

The different forms in which they prayed do not matter as the books given to them were different. Also everybody prayed according to the book given to him. So the term muslim does not means the form in which you pray, but your submission to oneness of God and his messenger of your time.

plainbibletruth:

Your posts: You said your Quran says the Jews mocked him. But that's not so. It was the Roman soldiers that did:
From the Bible portion you quoted.  You cannot "stamp" this portion of the Bible on the Jews. Trying to 'use' any passage of the Bible to justify your claims is deceitful.  You failed here to show that what you said about the Jews is true; either from the Quran or the Bible. Your claim is just your mere speculation which you wanted to force into the whole picture. 

Rilwayne001:


@True2god and other numskull on this thread, this^ is exactly my point. It now left to you to further deceive yourself by feigning ignorance of the explanation.

I have better things to do today. No time to waste with chowderheads.

Rilwayne001:


@True2god and other numskull on this thread, this^ is exactly my point. It now left to you to further deceive yourself by feigning ignorance of the explanation.

I have better things to do today. No time to waste with chowderheads.

Rilwayne001
Okay.Continue fighting it.. Olodo.

true2god:
Dont run away sir, you never answered my simple question. Can someone be a Jew and a muslim at the same time?

You can go and consult your imam and come back with a more robust answer.

Run away? from who? you?

Mtsheew.

true2god:
You are the one dumb bro. What is the standard word for God in all mosques worldwide? Can you, if you are yoruba, called God OLORUN in a mosque? Is it not allahh muslims call God worldwide? So if muslims call God allahh, why didnt Jesus also call him allahh, even once.

Dont pretend like an ignorant muslim, muslims from time immemorial universally call their god allahh. From the pre-islamic arabs till date the standardized name for islamic god is allahh.

So if Jesus did not know the name of islamic god as allahh, so why is he a muslim?

truthman2012:


Terrorist! Your choice of words all the time shows islam is violent and satanic. You must be a long bearded man, always wearing red turban.