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hensben:
What make iniesta special then? Since goals and assist he is very average.

Go and ask a Barca Fan.

SkimpleD:
So, if we take away the 43 PL penalty goals, his goal tally and assists would be useless?

what is special about his assist record? When players like fabregas with less matches is having more than him that's what you call exceptional. If after 18season he was not top 5 it would have been a disgrace.

David Silva 282 matches 83assist
Lampard 609 matches 102assist.

Ahead by 19assist with Silva playing 300+ less games. Don't ever mention his assist record to hype him their was not exceptional about them.

spillo1:
None of you have said anything to counter his point. Apart from his goals what was exceptional about Lampard.

They have no point. When comparing the OG's of midfielders the only thing that brings Lampard to the conversation is his goals. Talking of pure ability he is just descent at best.

SkimpleD:
Gee, something dey work you o. How did you just wake up to spew Shiits all over this thread this morning?

So much BSs in one post.

Facts only. We saw Lampard performance for England and how useless he was. No more awof penalties or goals to self-service upon. Man has the record for most shots at the world cup without scoring a single goal.

patrickmuf:
Lampard was a very good passer of the ball, he wasn't just about scoring goals, he made them too.

The only world class attribute of Lampard was his goals. That's the only thing that sets him apart from others not his passing or anything else. Take away that his ability as a midfielder is just there nothing exceptional.

spillo1:
I swear the only thing we ever hear about Lampard is his goal scoring ability which is not even the role of a midfielder.

The goal tally was even inflicted by awof penalties and deflections. Take away that and he does nothing better than Fabregas or even Kdb.

The only thing Chelsea fans can boost about Lampard is his goal scoring ability.Lamps was a Glorified striker. A goal tally boosted by a ridiculous number of penalties covered the fact he was meh at his main job no wonder England was useless. when it comes to the traditional job of a midfielder he is competent at best and only his goals set him apart from others. The only thing people talk about when speaking of Lampard are his goals. Not one of other aspect of the game would be be better than players like Kdb or Fabregas. And why wouldn't he score more goals when he's played behind a lone striker and been given free reign most of his career? When he plays as a proper midfielder he flops.

Kimbeast:
If not for David Villa they wouldn't even have left the group stage. They were not unstoppable or even dominating shittt.

Agreed. That Spanish side were lucky and boring.

Kimbeast:
It's obvious you don't get the point Rooney was making. He said ten years ago England had arguably the best squad in the world and if compared man to man to that Spanish team England comes out on top and with a manager like Guardiola they would have dominated,why is that not valid and to claim the Spanish team was unstoppable is silly.The only competition they dominated was euros 2012, their world cup win was lucky at best.

Spain 2010 was the most boring team in the entire world cup if not in history of world cups.

hensben:
Klop is praised for his consistency, he is praised for rejuvenating and making Liverpool formidable again just the way he rejuvenated Dortmund if not for Bayern and other clubs that came to sign his best players he would’ve won ucl with dortmund that I am sure of. Klopp is praised for keeping Liverpool transfer policy intact and still doing well. He sold coutinho for an outrageous fee so it is wise to invest that money into the squad and he bought DIjk and Allison who were his priority seeing that coutinho was an important player for the club.

Listen friend you are going way off topic. Like I said initially Klopp is a 2nd tier coach who goes to club with no pressure were if he wins he is praised and if he doesn't he is not condemned or Criticised, a perfect example is Poch at Spurs. Klopp at bigger clubs will be a recipe for disaster. Telling players like Henderson, Mane, Firmino etc who haven't won anything in their careers is different from telling serial winners like Ramos,Modric,Suarez and Messi to run like madmen.

We will get hammered in Paris without Modric and Ramos

hensben:
Anybody with eye will know chelsea won ucl as a result of the experienced players in the team, their determination and hunger for ucl glory made it happen that night. Watching Chelsea play under Di Mateo was an eyesore. The Di Mateo argument you are bringing up doesn’t even make sense because aside winning ucl klopp is a trainer, he turned average players to world class and use them to do great things, this type of coach are very rare this days. Pep did marque signings in all position include the bench and you are telling medegedegede.

Everybody also knows klopp won the Champions league because he broke the transfer record and also became the coach with the most expensive eleven to win the Champions league.
Ranieri used average players to achieve great things same with Di mateo . If using average players to win stuff is your bread and butter that means you place Ranieri and Di Mateo above Ancelotti and Zidane. Yes or No!

Eruditor:
Melvyn11,

How did you let someone who did not know the difference between "an all-time great" and "the greatest of all time" call you a simpleton?

You guys (you and swissh) are blessed. I stan.

I see no need in exchanging insults on a faceless forum so I just let it slide.

Miremoses1:
Robbie keane posted this picture on his insta story this morning. If only he knew

King Ororo

Just to clarify Pep put a gun to Joachim loew head and said if you dont play possession based football I will kill you. What a devil

kendrick93:
was salah and mane more expensive than Ronaldo?
put them in the market and see how much they would cost..
benzema, ramos..lol
do u know what inflation is?
Ronaldo if sold now woulda cost more than the 80m madrid payed for him

None of your Epistles will change the fact that Liverpool 11 was more expensive than that of Madrid. And guess the coach with the most expensive starting 11 to ever win the Champions League.

kendrick93:
klopp and his team was quite inexperienced in Europe..it was their first trial in Europe too..
You could see after he got the hang of things he started smashing it in Europe...
That's called team building something pep hasn't experienced because he's been playing real life football manager where he can sign whoever he wants no matter the costs

Pep doesn't get to hide behind the "underdogs/no-one expected us to win trophy" tag like Klopp. Guardiola doesn't get 4 years to build a team to win one trophy.

kendrick93:
You are talking nonsense..
Out of that starting eleven klopp only bought mane,salah and karius..
the rest were inherited..
Your point doesn't make any sense

He also inherited Van dijk from Southampton Bwhahahaha. Now when klopp has the more expensive Eleven you have started making Excuses for his failures.

kendrick93:
so Liverpool were the favourites coming into that match abi?
hahahaha

Liverpool had the most expensive 11 so they most be better or those that only apply to Pep?

kendrick93:
did madrid hire benitez in 2009 or 2015?
benitez has shown he wasn't at his. best prior to that madrid move
due to his stints at inter,napoli and co

You are saying this because it has already happened. The way you are shouting put klopp this and he will win that when it happens and he flops you will still tell us he has past his prime.

DExponential:
Di Matteo won two trophies, what happened the next season?

He did exactly what klopp did in less than 6 months not 4 yrs without breaking any transfer record so tell me what exactly is klopp Praised for?

kendrick93:
stop being dishonest.
madrid starting xi that day-
navas,ramos,varane,marcelo,kroos,caseimeiro,modric,ronaldo,benz,isco

Liverpool-karius,lovren,vandjik,robertson,taa,gini, Henderson, salah/lallana, mane and firmino..

Take a look at the quality disparity between both sides and be honest with yourself

All I care about is the amount used in assembling both teams and Liverpool came on top. So the argument of being underdogs is dead.

Bwhahahaha now I know the advantage of Di Mateo winning champions league at Chelsea.

DExponential:
More expensive doesn't mean that it's better. How good were Liverpool before Klopp? How many World Class players were in Liverpool's starting eleven and bench?

How many trophies has klopp won at Liverpool? What's the difference between klopp 4 yes at Liverpool and Di Mateo half season at Chelsea. Factor in he didn't break any transfer record.

raumdeuter:
Just imagine. The genesis of this argument is that Pep spent more, so he has more quality and failed to win

And you are now telling us More expensive doesnt mean better. So can we say Pep though with a more expensive team does not have a better squad than Liverpools?

Ask them

kendrick93:
Making CL finals something pep hasn't come closed to despite managing Bayern,city and barca and spending gazillions

Liverpool Starting Eleven cost more than the Madrid Eleven they lost to in 2018. Making champions final is not an achievement. Average coaches have done that just ask Di Mateo

kendrick93:
Pep can fill his bench with 50m players...
The resources pep has at man city hasn't been seen before in the history of football..
He can literally field two teams without any drop in quality..
Put Klopp at man city and he will loads of trophies with that much resources but Pep at Liverpool will probably finish fourth...
Remembered Liverpool had a Frontline of benteke,balotelli,ings and Lambert when klopp joined..
pep would probably have resigned if he had to deal with that much dross

Before klopp broke transfer records what did he win at Liverpool?

DExponential:
Where are both of them now?

Ask ibime who is looking for miracle workers

Ibime:
Sharrap and focus on the matter at hand.

What is the matter at hand? He performed a miracle like Ranieri and Di matteao before him. Would you take them at your club today?

Ibime:
Thank you.

Pep last UCL final was in 2011, despite managing some of the most fancied teams.

Klopp has been there 3 times since 2013 with lesser squads.

Getting to a finals and losing means you are a specialist in failure. How many champions league finals did Ferguson go to in his managerial career?

Ibime:
Which transfer record did he break twice.

The simple fact is that Klopp has done wonders with only the 7th most expensively assembled squad, unlike.one Fraudiola who.must have the most expensive squad before doing anything.

Ranieri did wonders at Leicester and Di matteao performed a miracle at Chelsea. What's your opinion about them managing your club today

kendrick93:
Your logic would be correct if Di Matteo hasn't proven to be a failure every where he went after that Cl win...
It was a complete fluke...

Managers have won the Champions league on less resources than Klopp and they're not being lauded like he is. He even had to break the transfer record twice to achieve it