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kendrick93:
Am I wrong tho?
It was Pep who said he style of play needed the highest technical quality and we all know that's costs huge amount of money

Show us the trophies Klopp won at Liverpool before Breaking the transfer record not once but twice? He couldn't Win a spoon until he did.

kendrick93:
Look Pep is a chequebook manager & thats no insult to him...
Even he admitted that his kind of football requires players with the highest technical quality to execute...
We saw it in his first season at man city where he had aged full backs like sagna and co and he finished fourth..
The following season he spent over 200m on fullbacks and a Gk and his team improved....
He's quality coach but without money his ideas won't translate to the highest of standards we have seen his team's..
This is nothing groundbreaking about that, we all know that...
Saying he's a chequebook manager isn't an insult but a fact.

Now you have shown your true colors. Ok now Show us the trophies Klopp won at Liverpool before Breaking the transfer record not once but twice?

kendrick93:
I'm sure whatever team you support will love to have him

My team would also love Pep.

kendrick93:
context matters..
klopp had to work his way to the top..
while pep was literally placed on silver spoon from the get go
Look at the teams he's managed...
Dortmund,mainz, and now Liverpool.. Liverpool is the biggest team he's managed so far and they were in doldrums when he took over
do u expect these teams to win the biggest trophies year on year?

The highest rated managers are usually the most successful ones though, and the vast difference between the achievement of Klopp and Pep means it's an insult to Pep.
Klopp is a descent manager, but no amount of context would place him ahead of Pep with the vast difference in amount of trophies and quantifiable achievements between them.

kendrick93:
Like I said Klopp type of football have shown he will succeed at any club..
Klopp with more resources is danger to any league he manages..
No player won't run through brick walls for klopp...
Stop deceiving urself with all this..
he's a world class manager, every club will love to have him

Klopp style of Football saw him lost 6 finals in a row, klopp style of Football has seen him won 4 trophies in his career. Klopp style of football has seen him relegated. Untill he manages a top club with big expectations and winning trophies is a must not hugs and kisses we will never know.

kendrick93:
reverse could also be said about Pep..
Can he manage a team with lesser resources like arsenal,Atm or Napoli?
It's much easier to believe klopp can manage the real Madrids and Barcelonas than the case for pep.
Klopp big buys has been resounding success, the likes of van djik, allisson even Marco reus who was bought for over 20m or so was a big buy then for Dortmund...
What makes u think he can't replicate that feat for Madrid's and co....
Bayern literally are begging for him...was it beckanbeaur or rummenigge who came out and said klopp will be the dream...
Luis Suarez said he would have loved to play for klopp. so tell me why you think these so called big players won't run through brick walls for him...

Rather it's much harder for klopp. And like I said before success at a smaller club does not necessarily transit when a coach moves to a bigger club. There are so many examples of coaches who started at smaller clubs,did brilliantly move to a bigger club and failed woo fully because the pressure to win instantly is massive. Klopp has coached at Liverpool and Dortmund clubs that gave him time...3 to 4 seasons to stamp his style of play,do you think he will get that at Barca or Madrid?

hensben:
Pep overhaul team to achieve epl trophy. Was that the initial argument? Klopp is better than pep seeing that the former has transformed more more average players to world class than the later. You calling klopp a tier 2 manager is what spack this argument and now you are bringing Di mateo.

The initial argument was Klopp being Pep's Daddy which is not supported by facts or achievement. Even Benitez who has done and achieved more than Klopp will be an insult talkless of the latter. What tier is Klopp ?

kendrick93:
Every Club or team on this planet earth would move heaven and stone if klopp was available on market.
in what world is klopp a tier2 manager cos it's definitely not this planet I'm on.
Klopp and pep are presently the top two managers in the game...how you want to judge who is better is based on preferences and team needs,etc.... either argument is fine to call either a tier two manager is nonsense and throws any of opinion out of the window
talk with sense not sentiments abeg

Klopp is a decent manager I said that earlier on but you dont classify a coach who started his managerial career in 2001 and has only 4 trophies to boost of in tier 1 when talking about coaches. Does ranieri winning League with Leicester or Di matteao winning the Champions league with Chelsea put them on the same level of Ferguson, Mourinho and Pep.

Leyqute:
Okay.

I’ll ask you a question and I want your honest answer.

Who will make the most of the current Madrid team? Pep or Kopp?

Who will spend the least in transforming the current Madrid squad into a world class team that’ll be challenging for trophies every year?

I have seen Pep manage teams with huge expectations and he has delivered but I can't say the same for Klopp who has only performed in certain Environment and clubs of smaller status. For my Club it will be Pep.

hensben:
We are discussing pep and klopp you are bringing Di Mateo. Didn’t that show you are loosing the argument already. Di Mateo don’t need to break transfer record because he was an interim boss.

Yes Di Mateo an average coach won the Champions league without having to break any transfer record solidify my stance on Klopp being a tier 2 coach who over achieved after Breaking the transfer record twice. Your problem is you can't admit the fact that Klopp spent money to achieve the success he has at Liverpool now because that will make you an hypocrite.

Swissh:
He sold his brain for porridge

You are being to generous bwhahaha

hensben:
Did Di Mateo transform any average player to world class but klopp did. Klopp has transformed so many average players to world class, using them to win trophies and making finals in prestigious cups, these are one of the criteria to know a world class coach. Whereas, pep is not known for this, he needed ten players before he can use chelsea to win epl, a local trophy. Klopp didn’t need to do marque signings in all position before he can win ucl, unlike pep before he was able to win epl.

Did Di Mateo break any transfer record? All Klopp needed to do was break the transfer record twice at Liverpool before he could win anything.

Leyqute:
So who is the simpleton who made this ludicrous statement?



You never said pep is the greatest of all time, yet you referred to him as an all time great. Are you sure you’re alright?

Were you hacked or did ramdeuter coerce you to type that rubbish? Cos I don’t understand why you are tryin to impersonate yourself.

Don't be unfortunate to start throwing insults trust me you will regret it

If you can't distinguish between between "the greatest of all time "and "an all time great" then forget about it.

hensben:
Pep spent on big players as well, he should win ucl with the overhauled man city team. Klopp didn’t overhaul Liverpool, he did just two marque signings and went on to winning the most prestigious cup in club football. His left back and right back were from nowhere.

And without the Two marque signings would he have done that? Now you bring me back to me initial assessment of kloop. A tier2 Coach who broke the transfer record to win the Champions League . I mean Di matteao didn't need to break any record before he won it so what are saying?

hensben:
You are not saying anything Mr, rather trying to talk down klopp achievement to defend pep who is also guilty of breaking a transfer record.

Gbam Klopp Liverpool was average untill he opened his cheque and spent like a cheque book manager which yielded him a Trophy True or false..!

hensben:
I don’t need to say yes or no because the question you are asking doesn’t hold water. Pep broke transfer record as at last season so I don’t know how that have anything to do with the fact that pep overhauled man city and still winning local trophies, whereas, klopp did two marque signings, which most people here saw as gamble and it paid off, he went on to win ucl.

Finally we are going somewhere. So you agree if not for Klopp spending big on players he need he wouldn't have won shittt at Liverpool?

hensben:
What is not fact in what I wrote? That pep have not won ucl without Messi or that he didn’t overhaul man city.

The fact that klopp broke the transfer record twice to win the Champions league and if not would still be trophyless at Liverpool.

Swissh:
Baba is dodging . Simple yes or no?

He knows what am looking for and he is just Acting Smart

hensben:
That was because Liverpool were having an average team. They were not even qualifying for ucl when klopp took over and were not an epl title contender either unlike man city who were ucl semi finalist and were epl contenders. Within the space of three seasons klopp transformed Liverpool. Give it to klopp already, haba. You love pep fine, you shouldn’t be allowing sentiment to becloud your sense of reasoning, be logical please, you are a man.

I really Hope it's not the Liverpool that nearly won the league under Rodgers and went to the Champions League you are talking about. You are just going up and down in cycles. What I asked is simply straight forward before klopp broke the transfer record twice did he win a spoon at Liverpool? Yes or No

hensben:
As at last season, the most expensive lb and rb were in man city, whereas klopp brought Arnold and Robertson from nowhere. pep has broken transfer records too so what you are saying doesn’t hold water. Klopp didn’t overhaul Liverpool with marque signings to be winning local trophies.

I didn't ask you for the most expensive left back or right back did I? It's a pretty simple statement in all you have typed we still go back to the same issue. what you are saying is Klopp won nothing at Liverpool until he broke transfer record twice and without spending he would have won 0 Trophies. Am I correct or not.

hensben:
What I am saying in essence is that klopp didn’t need to overhaul a team before he won ucl or doesn’t need Messi to win ucl.

What you saying is not backed up by facts. Before klopp broke the transfer record twice he didn't win a spoon at Liverpool then after he did suddenly he won a trophy. So in essence if klopp had not spend he would still be trophyless..... correct?

hensben:
You are saying another thing Mr. Pep won those trophies as a result of the big clubs he has handle since he came to limelight.

Please answer my question regarding the post you quoted.

Melvyn11:
So in essence what you are saying is Klopp won nothing at Liverpool until he broke transfer record twice and without spending he would have won 0 Trophies. Am I correct?

Am I correct

hensben:
Klopp came to average Liverpool, took them to Europa final, the next season signed Dijk from Southampton who was a gamble to many then and went on to ucl final and lost to Madrid, due to goalkeeper error and Salah injury. The following season he signed Allison and the rest was history. Whereas, pep overhaul man city team and did marque signings in so many positions before he can win Epl.

So in essence what you are saying is Klopp won nothing at Liverpool until he broke transfer record twice and without spending he would have won 0 Trophies. Am I correct?

monerozi5590:
It depends on the team we are playing against.

If we are playing an attacking team ,let's say Man city or Liverpool then is Mendy but otherwise Marcelo.

Why not the opposite. If we are playing an attacking team ,let's say Man city or Liverpool then is Marcelo because of his attacking inputs then against defensive teams then Mendy.

Miremoses1:
Mendy was solid in his last outing for us. I think he should be starting ahead of Marcelo no doubt.

Agreed I love Marcelo but I think it's time we started phasing him out for Mendy. But honestly I have not seen enough of Mendy to be hyped about him

hensben:
Are you aware Klopp has a great personality when it comes to player to coach relationship. Messi or cr7 will gladly run for klopp, seeing that klopp’s tactics is exciting and athletic which mostly cr7 would love to be part of.

Are you aware klopp has great personality than pep when it comes to coach to player relationship. So

My point still stands. Klopp has not shown he can coach the biggest teams and Manage players with egos who have won all in football. Most Coaches have been successfully with lesser clubs and failed woo fully when giving the chance to manage a big club.

hensben:
So trophies make him tier two manager, not his coaching skills. Are you aware to be consistent in winning trophies you need a formidable team which pep have been enjoying since he came to limelight.

How do you determine a better coaching skills if it doesn't translate to winning trophies? If Ferguson didn't win trophies on a regularly basis will he be rated as highly as his? Klopp winning trophies once every 10 years with an underdog does not elevate his status from tier2 when compared to people who won trophies for over a decade consistently.

Leyqute:
You haven’t even addressed the points I raised nor countered them. And you’re asking me these questions?

Is that this how to defend the “greatest manager of all time”?

I never said Pep is the greatest manager of all time, Mourinho is my Favourite. You called pep a cheque book manager and klopp the savior of football who doesn't spend. So I am just curious to know his record and trophies he won at Liverpool before breaking transfer records not once but twice. Give me an answer then we proceed.

Swissh:
klopp the Overhyped daddy. Benitez was a better 'underdog' manager and he struggled massively at Madrid where you have to deal with massive egos and huge pressure to win every game.

Klopp has not shown he can coach the biggest teams and Manage players with egos who have won all in football. Telling Messi/Ronaldo to run, press,Track back is different from the telling Mane/Salah.

hensben:
You are contradicting yourself. Same you said he broke transfer record to win ucl same you is saying he is a tier two manager. For you to even call klopp a tier 2 manager shows you don’t know football. He didn’t just win titles with Dortmund he transformed most of the players to world class. His squad at Dortmund were hot in the transfer market then.

4 trophies in 18yrs of coaching does not get you a tier1 status. I said he Is a tier two manager who broke transfer records to win the Champions league.

Leyqute:
Do you want to compare how much Pep has spent vs how much Kopp has in their managerial careers?

Pep broke a number transfer records before he could win the league with City. Kyle Walker and Ederson didn’t come cheap. They were both the most expensive RBs and GKs at the time they were bought.



This is laughable.

The expectations and pressure that comes with managing Liverpool is 5x bigger than that of City. Pep is hardly on the hot spot and he’s got the best squad in the league by a mile- all bought with Arabian oyel money.

Klopp is a decent 2nd tier manager yet he’s achieved what your first tier fraud cannot.

When will Fraud Fraudiola win trophies with unfancied teams?

Give me a break.

Tell us klopp record and trophies won at Liverpool before he broke transfer record not once but twice?

Who do you guys think should be our starting leftback...Mendy or Marcelo?