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KingTom:
E be like say Ekitipikin oil never dey draw this year, e just dey quiet

Ekitipikin dey deliver 3 odds on a daily. Na when big odd enter everywhere dey shake on a normal.

Ihebu4chelsea:
I don't have any business with banks , But please stop promoting gambling here. You can decide to make it a full time job

When Bankz boom again I will drop it here. If that's promoting gambling then you can keep wailing.

Ihebu4chelsea:
Wailers? You sure say you get Sense?

The floor is yours. Keep on wailing..... You don't care about betting but you are here always crying about bankz like a 2yr old. Enjoy

Wailers don start this morning.

Amigoss:
Wake up to Mr Banks boom while you sleep ,this are just overnight BB games I'm sure..

This settles the argument the other day

Oya drop update. Bankz don deliver another wake up to boom

Ibime:
Ayra is way better than Tems and way less kpako than Tems. Ayra singing in pidgin is her choice, if she sings RnB she will still do it in the proper accent unlike Tems who doesn't know if she has fake Britico or fake Yankee accent

What gave Tems the attention is the Drake co-sign and collaborations, nothing more. Without that Drake boost, Tems is nothing

Tems you were hyping up for carrying essence don become nothing lol.

Ibime:
Drake knows who is behind Essence track. He went straight for the source to feature on his album,.not the attache. Tems made Essence. Wizkid sang nonsense that didn't even rhyme

swiz123:
Tems songs are largely unknown in Nigeria
, this is an undeniable fact. You can attend 20 social gatherings in Nigeria and never hear her song even for once. Shocking that Tems somehow sounds more African to Americans than she does to actual Africans.

If i wasn't trying to be economical with the truth, I would say Tems is trash.

That's a big fat lie.

Ibime:
That boy should be shot in the blockos

Boy carry house for head

Will Smith children

Is this not madness. To an award like Grammy and they didn't bounce both of them out

Swedish people just dey burn Quran for TikTok.

I nor know wetin una dey see for the Justin Bieber picture o. The guy looks normal to me. Na just the short hair and beards plus wearing big shirt and jeans.

swiz123:
When those things they have in common include Stealing, Murder, fraud etc, then you can agree its common logical thought rather than any ideaology.

No, they share a rather similar idea of God and his do's and don't.

Roland17:
Is Religion the singular influencing factor in morality and human choices? Yes or No? If your answer is No because there are other factors like environment, genetics, feelings (emotions), cognitive development, then you are agreeing with me that Religion isn't universal and there should be no need for further debates. If you say Yes it is the only factor, then we can continue..

Have heard of the word empathy? The natural feeling of understanding others. Where does that come from? Religion? Those who are irreligious and empathetic, how did they develop it?

Yes the belief in God is the singular standard for objective morality.

swiz123:
For this to be true, there must have been a religion which doesn't consider stealing a crime. If all religion frowns at it, then it is not about religion but logical reasoning.

No it doesn't. All religion despite their different Ideologies will always have some things in common.

Roland17:
Again, you are making my point.

Does wearing the trouser to church make the girl evil? If your answer is yes, my next questions are, as defined by who? and how is it possible that she can wear that same trouser everywhere else within the same society and not be seen as evil but only in a religious setting?

Would the lady be arrested by the Police for wearing a trouser? No! Will the lady suffer serious consequences if she was Muslim and wears a trouser under Sharia?

I already told you rejecting certain religious teachings/beliefs doesn't make any sect evil.

Roland17:
Because it is the law and not Religion. Laws are different from Religion. Laws predate and have existed before Religion. Laws are universal while religion isn't. Law is a social contract while Religion is a social construct. Humans did not need religion to tell them that if they continue killing each other or being brutish, they would all be dead and there will be no human life.

Getting drunk in your house by yourself isn't a crime but drinking alcohol, worse still getting drunk under Sharia is a crime. Do you see what I am doing? This is why Sharia Laws can not be universally applied in Nigeria, even amongst a religion practicing the same faith!

All morality and consequently law is ultimately derived from religion. Laws comes from people's culture and ideology which religion is the biggest factor. When it comes to the basics, people stick to it even in cases where religion has been disestablished. Those nations you call irreligious were built on the back of religious laws and principles which they still follow.

Roland17:
Come on man!

When Police arrest you for a crime, they must be asking "errrmmm, what is your religion"? Come on man!!

You see, this is the problem with Religion. The inherent belief that Humans lack the cognitive ability, exclusive of Religion to think logically.

Ok why did humans make stealing a crime?

iamoyindamola:
You brought remorse into this
I asked you how you will feel if I steal your property?
Why is efcc or police going after serial if what they are doing is good
Let's forget about religion now

You are still not getting it. Our religious beliefs made stealing bad and we created laws to punish offenders who steal which is why police go after them. Without religion can you come up with anything tangible that made stealing bad.

iamoyindamola:
So why do they feel remorseful when they are eventually arrested
Or why did the law go after them

So you definition of evil is when the doer is remorseful? This guy you are funny.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Do you have any proof of this?

To be honest, we all have been exposed to some form of religion. I laughed when I saw here that China is irreligious .....Says who?

Only about 20% of Chinese are Atheists. The rest have one form of religion or the other.

Because you are irreligious doesn't mean you are not exposed to it.

I doubt if there's anyone who was born and grew up to old age, without any exposure to any form of religion.[/color]

Fact

Roland17:
Melvyn, do you realize you are making my point for me?

The irreligious/ never been exposed to any form of religion/ atheists amongst the serial killer in the same society, who are not serial killers or scammers but frown upon killing and fraud, what were they influenced by?

All atheist or irreligious are still influenced by religious beliefs.

Roland17:
There are no consequences for Jehovah Witness members because they don't celebrate Christmas. Nobody flogs them, so that example can not be applied.

Now, let me ask you ...

Are there consequences under Sharia as practiced in the North for alcohol use or "improper" dressing?

I await your answer..

Are they consequences if a lady wears trousers to a church that forbids it? Yes. Does that make the church evil? Your answer is right there.

Roland17:
The embolden is all I need because you have made my point. Before your current morality, religious morality I must add, how did humans decipher evil from bad?

Is Religion the ONLY factor that influences morality?

Humans have always used religion or the belief in a superior being to determine good and evil.

Roland17:
What if the serial killer or yahoo boys are irreligious? Or are serial killings and fraud exclusive to religious people?

So if a serial killer is irreligious that makes his action good? I am trying to understand your point.

Roland17:
But it is.

Certain tenets of Sharia define actions like alcohol consumption/ dressing as evil with consequences but Southern Muslims disagree and are rejecting it because they believe differently... So who is evil amongst both? How did Southern Muslims come to the conclusion that certain tenets of the Sharia are not evil/ bad? I mean, the same religion.. If they all agree about Sharia why the push back from Southern Muslims?



Stop underrating the power of the human brain!

Rejecting certain religious teachings is not evil. How is that hard? Jehovah witness don't celebrate Christmas, That doesn't make them evil. Some Pentecostal churches don't believe in the Trinity, that doesn't make them evil as well. Some churches permit jeans and trousers for ladies others don't.

Roland17:
Hahahaaa..You and who?

Religion is a social construct and more importantly, the idea of morality isn't exclusive to religion. Religion can influence morality, however, the same morality is influenced by other factors. Let me ask you, what is morality? Is morality the action or the inherent intention/ thoughts?

A person harbors the thoughts/ intention to kill but has not killed because of his religion, would you say that person has good morals?

Our current morality is shaped by religion. Religion(Christianity) is the biggest factor to our current moral standards. Without religion you have no basics to say something is good or evil.

Your question is using the religious angle and thoughts and intentions are judged as well so no.

iamoyindamola:
I don’t need to explain why stealing is evil
Your reaction will explain it unless you are saying you will be happy afterwards

So reaction is what proves something is evil. So serial killers that kill people and feel no remorse that means they did good? Yahoo boys that are happy after catching out that means it's good? The fact you cannot explain why stealing is bad without using a religious concept proves my point.

iamoyindamola:
Exactly when you need religion to tell you good or evil then there’s problem.
If I steal your property I don’t need any holy book to prove to me I have done you evil

Then explain why stealing is evil?

Roland17:
The embolden is grossly false. If we go by your understanding the world would become chaotic because of the different interpretation of evil. The word "evil" has evolved over centuries even before the advent of religion. Religion, did not define what evil is. Religion may have influenced the definition of morality but not good/ evil. Law and Religion are 2 different concepts, don't confuse yourself.

I have asked you, how about those who do not identify with any religion? How do they decipher between good and evil? Religion is a human invention, how did man survive before the advent of religion? In the Sharia issue between the North and South, who defines what is right or wrong? I mean, we have 2 groups practicing the same religion but different acceptance of what is good/ evil.

You and I know evil is a religious concept. Every society in human history has had their views of good/bad shaped by religion. It is obvious that humans need an higher authority to unite around a shared morals. The laws you are talking about was shaped from religious concepts.

I don't see the Sharia thing between the North and the South a matter of good or evil.

Roland17:
Japan is one that comes to mind. Humans survived before the creation of religion because as humans we adapt. Religion, especially it's abuse, in some ways undermines the cognitive abilities of the human mind. The idea behind religious morality is primarily hinged on the fear of punishment and consequence from a higher being. Essentially, man is held back from committing evil because of that fear, not necessarily because they don't believe in the evil. I used the ongoing Sharia situation between Northern and Southern Muslims as example.

Every morality has it's punishment and fear factor. The reason people obey laws is due to fear and the punishment that comes with it.

Roland17:
I have strong personal values that are guided by ethics and influenced by upbringing and life experiences. There are people/ countries who are irreligious, or have a high percentage of their population that don't identify with any religion, what are they guided by?

Religion is a perfect example of social construct and since it is plural in practice, the definition of evil/ good becomes subjective and that is why we have laws. A perfect example is the ongoing Sharia issue between the North and Southern Muslims..

This is why 6 pastors can read the same verse and end up with 6 different interpretations.

You are misunderstanding my question. Evil is regarded as a religious concept. So without belonging to a certain religion you can't understand the concept of evil.

Saying you don't need religion to know good and bad is like me saying I don't need the law to know good or bad. If a law was passed down today that abortion is legal or killing is legal does that make it good or bad?