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Gabrielshow24:
Your initial yardstick was the total damnation of wars!!!

And you failed to take into consideration that wars can be used as a medium of Judgement.

When God wanted to perform judgement on the nations of old, he made them go to war and perish.

Likewise at the end, Jesus mounting an horse to perform judgement using the medium of war...

So which of the wars you quoted above belongs to ceasar?

Gabrielshow24:
People like this, don't listen to reproof.
And most are not logical.

All what he has been doing is simply, appeal to emotion/pity!!!

By asking questions that border on generalization!

Just point out his logical flaws 👀
And you should be good to go!!!
All his strategic ploys are vain

So when I asked you whether Jesus fights for ceasar or not, did I point out your logical flaw? Yes or no? Why you are you so bent on the generalization of the word 'Fought'?🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not know to use Google again?

You are funny oo...so you don't even know what you are quoting about or where it is in the bible? Na wa oo....you must have ran out of ideas.

Dtruthspeaker:
For you to ask for the verse means you already know the verse and you know the Who. So, you have my answer.

Oga I don't know the verse....you can't just pop out words and expect me to interprete them. Kindly quote the verse let's see who that place is talking about.

Kingsempires:
like I said I wouldn't answer your question. I am not an AI you will be continuously asking me questions when you can't answer mine answer mine first then I will answer you yours

Oya run along....until you prove to me that killing my fellow Christians and innocent people for human leaders will make me to be innocent in the eyes of God.

Dtruthspeaker:
You saw Who!

Answer the question oga....who bears the sword not in vain? Kindly quote the verse so that we can look at the verse in context and get the answer.

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Kingsempires:
hmmmm!!!! 🤔 I understand your belief is different from my believe so no need for me continue this here I asked you a question you didn't answer my questions and you are expecting me to continuously answer your question I understand there is nothing I can say that can prove you wrong so is your own believe but what I will tell you is that I wouldn't answer your question unto you answer mind

I answered your questions then I asked you mind you didn't answer and you are expecting me to answer yours

Oga answer my questions na.....So if I kill innocent people and my fellow Christians because a human leader asks me to do so, so God will not hold me responsible?

Are the soldiers killing innocent lives in war doing evil? Yes or no?

Kingsempires:
I am not God or Knows God's mind what I can answer you is that it's not them that is hold responsible but the people who commands it. I know you will still ask me again I have answered your question so let me ask you;

Those army protecting lives in their country are dey do evil?

So God will not hold me responsible if a human leader asks me to kill innocent people and my fellow Christians?

Are the military taking innocent lives in war doing evil? Yes or no?

Kingsempires:
I told you I felt sleepy I don't have the zeal of printing or did you want me to answer you a different thing. But by the way let me answer your question, army can never start fighting each other without a command from there general. For example the person the have the record of the person that killed people the most is Adolf hilter killing over 80 million peoples. Was it him that killed those people or his army but what are people's view on that over 80 million people that died? Who are people saying that is responsible for the dead of those people is it the army or Adolf hilter?

Just like what is happening to Russia and Ukraine did those involved in the war just started fighting each other. That was order giving to them by their leader so now just like the way Russia is dealing with Ukraine you are expecting those their army to fold hands and watch them killing their citizens their family their young youth .

You are asking me is it good for believers to fight war against other as if they just started war against themselves they are under their leader command. Just like the way Michael was under the command of God to fight war against Satan and his followers in heaven. There was war in heaven and you are expecting it not to be on earth

Oga you just wrote long essay without answering my question. Is God supporting either of these countries that are fighting wars today? Yes or no?

Dtruthspeaker:
O a sword is for decoration? You did not hear that He beareth not the sword in vain?

Well, as I said, you have a puzzle to solve

Who bears not the sword in vain, Jesus' disciples?

Dtruthspeaker:
He Said take a Sword! So, I guess it's a puzzle you have to solve

Did he say take a sword to fight, Or to teach his disciples a lesson on how a person who kill by the sword will also die by the sword?

Dtruthspeaker:
So since you see God supported Isreal in war in those days, then you have something in reference to the topic

And to your off point question, God fore Said there'll be wars in these last days, nothing about supporting or not-supporting here. But again, this is off point

So if God foresaw that there would be wars in these last days, did Jesus say that his followers should engage in these wars of ceasars?

Did Jesus not tell his disciples not to take up arms?

Dtruthspeaker:
I asked my question first, would you answer it or would you dodge it? Your choice

God supported and directed the wars of the ancient isrealites.

Who is supporting and directing the wars of modern day isrealites against Palestine, is it God?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see God support Isreal in those days?

Oh so the ancient isrealites were not supported and instructed by God to fight?

Is it God that is instructing modern isrealites to fight the Palestines today?

Kingsempires:
I am coming to answer you this question but that will be in the day time I feel sleepy I don't have strength for typing now

🤣🤣🤣you've ran away....bye bye. I'm waiting for you. Go and think of the answer and come back.

Kingsempires:
self defense when necessary is different. so all this work soldiers are doing fighting terrorist etc so they will go to hell for saving citizens life.

Oga I have asked you if God supports any of the countries fighting wars today. What is your answer sir?

Gabrielshow24:
False equivocation.

"Prince of Peace fighting " is self explanatory.

Oga does Jesus fight for ceasar? Yes or no? My question does not deny the word 'fight'.

Gabrielshow24:
Irrelevant, the fact is "He fought"

🤣🤣look at someone that claims to be logical. Does Jesus fight for Ceasar? Yes or no sir?

Gabrielshow24:
Enlighten me, what then made the prince of peace to fight? 🙄

Does Jesus fight for Ceasar? Yes or no?

Gabrielshow24:
Clearly🙄, false equivocation.

Your motte and bailey ideology is worrisome.
Jesus riding on an horse defeats your absolute peaceful sentiments.

It only shows that specific circumstances actually require force!!! or more princely put🤤, War.

Thus, It contradicts your sentiments.

🤣🤣🤣....funny lot. Does Jesus fight for Ceasar? Who do military men fight for today?

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Gabrielshow24:
Or is that my bone of contention?

You seem to forget that a strict law was given to Israel that allowed only the priest to eat of the shewbread but David and his men ate from it.

The complexities of life is what you have failed to take into account.

And just like your friend, the very special circumstance of Jesus riding an horse wasn't taken into account.

Are you saying that Jesus did not take the complexities of life into consideration when telling his disciples not to take up arms?

Does Jesus riding on an horse in the bible mean that his disciples on earth should be involved in Ceasars political wars?

Gabrielshow24:
👀Are you dumb?
What method or device do you want me to use to know if any war from the beginning of time were even approved by God?
what logical medium do you want me to employ?

I could ask the same of you regarding any physical event!

perhaps Ronaldo winning 5 balloon d'ors was approved by God?

Do you see how incongruous you are?

If God doesn't speak how then do we know his will.
Even his present prophets have goofed a lot this days, how can one even tell that any word they say is indeed the word of God?

What are you driving at exactly?
And how does this alleviate your logical error?

Lol....so when Jesus tells his followers not to take up arms to fight wars and to love their enemies, how do you know that he has changed his mind and that he approves of some wars due to our present realities?

Gabrielshow24:
🤭mate, even the blind can see that I have from the beginning argued for special circumstances while you and your partner in crime, Max, argued for absolutism!!!

Baba leave English. Show me one war in history that God approved from the time of Jesus that did not have any human selfish political interest.

Gabrielshow24:
Now you are bringing context😁 into view.

Something you failed to accommodate initially 🤕

🤣🤣🤣or the context that you've refused to see ever since lest you are exposed.

Gabrielshow24:
Give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar!!!

So when Ceasar tells you to kill your fellow Christians for political reasons, then You are justified in the eyes of God?

Gabrielshow24:
Are you this daft?

Don't you know human actions are motivated by myriad of conditions?

While still having elements of politics; you can't deny the underlying zeal for longevity of life(self defense).

And that most of the time is the major premise of battles.

You fight and lay down your life for what you love perhaps family, loved ones or just for the sake of your fundamental human rights.

So what are the elements of politics present in modern warfare today? Are those elements justified by God?