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GothamCities:
Go and find out yourself. Nairaland is not Bible school!

🤣🤣🤣🤣na wa....show me na....that is where I will catch you....do you want to tell me that spirits of dead men goes to the lower regions of the earth where christ went to when he died? If yes, is the earth in the spirit realm?

GothamCities:
I think your confusion stems from the fact that you don't know where the spirits of dead men go!

Show me where the spirits of dead men go?

GothamCities:
Illiterate.

Ecclesiastes was talking about the grave!

Peter was talking about a prison of spirits.

Jesus got the keys of Hades. Not the grave.

Souls of martyrs cried from under the altar!

So if Ecclesiastics was talking about sheol as the grave,
where did Peter say that the spirits in prison were in hades?
Where does Revelation say that 'spirits' of martyrs were crying?

GothamCities:
Oh oh, so now you want to be going roundabout.

So, he clearly said spirits and also mentioned only 8 souls saved?

So I am waiting for you to show me that soul and spirits in this context means the same thing.

GothamCities:
Even AI said they're often used interchangeably but they're not the same. It went ahead to state the differences. Are you an illiterate?

Does not your own research tells you that Grave lacks the connotation of the original terms of sheol and Hades? Don't you see why others use Hades or sheol instead of grave? Are you an illiterate?

GothamCities:
Quote and show me where Peter didn't say souls!

He clearly said 'spirits' find me where he said 'souls'

MaxInDHouse:
But the reference says Shoel, Hades and Grave means the same thing nah!

Don't mind the guy🤣🤣

GothamCities:
False teacher fraudulently disregard the Bible to show forth his demonic doctrines on this thread.

How many things should I teach you. I've expose your falsehoods long enough!

I should start teaching you again about Spirits, souls and bodies? Create a thread for that and get teachers!

Lol....baba I am with you na......show me where Peter said 'souls' were in prison......don't run away oo.....what entity does soul and spirit dwell?

GothamCities:
Perhaps you don't have hands to search for it yourself.

This is meta AI!

So can't you see that sheol and Hades can be used for grave?

What is the Hebrew word used in Ecclesiastics 9:10? That is the question that I am asking you. Don't you agree that hades is hell again?

GothamCities:
I'm not here to teach you that!

I'm here to show you that spirits in prison were the souls of those who disobeyed the preaching of Noah according to Peter!

🤣🤣🤣false teacher cannot prove what entity the soul and spirit dwell.
Can you kindly show me where Peter mentioned 'souls' as those who were in prisons?

GothamCities:
Check the Hebrews interlinear if you want to learn. It's grave. Not hell.

What is the Hebrew word for grave according to the Hebrews interlinear?

GothamCities:
They dwell in the same entity.

Which entity? Explain

GothamCities:
Nope!

Bring your evidence against those translations

GothamCities:
Genesis says blood cried.

Revelation said Souls cried.

So, what are you saying?

Is soul and spirit the same? So where are you seeing spirit?

GothamCities:
Are you deliberately trying to discredit the scriptures?

The Bible says that souls were crying under the altar! Souls of martyrs.

Is soul and spirit the same?

GothamCities:
Solomon is talking about the grave. Physical pit.

Which can rightly be translated as hades and hell according to the versions below
Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

GothamCities:
My dear, where did Solomon say hell?

Look at the catholic version below.

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

GothamCities:
My friend, dead martyrs complained to God in the book of Revelation!

The blood of Abel also cried. So where does the Bible teach in Revelation and Genesis that it was a 'spirit' that was crying?

GothamCities:
I am seeing Hades, not hell. And we know it's best translated he'll.

Oga can't you also see the catholic version? Were you not the one that said that hell and Hades means the same thing?

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

GothamCities:
Solomon didn't say there's no consciousness in hell, neither did Peter!

Oga below is Ecclesiastics 9:10.....I did not use my hand to write it.

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

GothamCities:
Quoted several times and even broken down. Quote it to counter me!

So are you saying that the apostle Peter disagree with Solomon that there is no consciousness in hell?
If you are a Bible student, you would know that the Greek word in 2 Peter 2:4 is not hades which is also known as hell....but Tartarus. Is Tartarus and Hades the same?

GothamCities:
Don't ask me stupid questions please.

Peter said Jesus preached to spirits in hell. If hell is same as grave, do spirits reside in the grave?

Quote the verse na where Peter said the spirits were in hell.

GothamCities:
It's does not matter the translation. In all cases you look at context. Without that one is just being foolish as a Bible reader.

Peter pressed to spirits in hell. Do spirits reside in the grave?

So the context in Ecclesiastics does not allow for grave to be translated as hell and Hades? Or what are you talking about? Can't you see that your so-called hell and Hades is also grave?

GothamCities:
Why was Jesus preaching to spirits in the hell if hell is the literal physical pit? Do spirits reside in the pit?

Where does the Bible teach that the spirits were in hell which refers to grave?

GothamCities:
What are you inferring here? You and who are discussing Ecclesiastes 9:10? Ecclesiastes 9:10 is talking about the grave. The literal pit where dead body are placed.

Peter was not talking about the literal pit. What sort of manipulation is this?

Oga can't you see that the Word 'grave' is also translated as hell and Hades?

I am waiting for you to prove those translations are manipulative translations.

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

King James Bible
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it
with thy might; for there is no work, nor
device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the
grave, whither thou goest.

GothamCities:
Hades, hell is not the grave! This is the literal Hebrew view.

Check the Hebrew Bible for the same verse. I'm busy now. Can't post it here.

Oga which one is literal Hebrew view again? Don't run oo...come and post your own.

You have been exposed....is there consciousness in hell and Hades as stated in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

GothamCities:
If it wasn't the spirit realm, what was He doing there preaching to spirits? What were the spirits doing there?

Oga hades is clearly the grave....your teaching is wrong!
.
Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

King James Bible
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it
with thy might; for there is no work, nor
device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the
grave, whither thou goest.



Is the grave in the spirit realm?

GothamCities:
You guys have a lot of confusion going on around your demonic theology. One has to teach you the foundations of faith for you to understand anything.

Only dead bodies stay in the grave, not spirits. Hades is not grave. Hades is the underworld. A place where spirits of dead men dwell.

Oga hades is clearly the grave....your teaching is wrong!
.
Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

King James Bible
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it
with thy might; for there is no work, nor
device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the
grave, whither thou goest.

.
Ecc 9:10
Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

GothamCities:
How can a dead person and the life-giving force be the same?

A dead person is someone who has been translated into the spirit realm until the day of resurrection.

🤣🤣🤣....kindly quote a verse that supports that statement.

So is Hades in the spirit realm? Is the lower regions of the earth where christ descended to in the spirit realm?

GothamCities:
So at the bolded, why asking hypothetically questions?

Can you show us the difference between dead men and the spirits of dead men? If dead men are in Hades, what are these dead men? Are they spirits or 'spiritala'. Hilarious. Waiting for you!

Oga are you saying that a 'dead person' and the 'life-giving force' is the same?

GothamCities:
So, you didn't read it in my post? I pity you.


The life of every living thing is in the blood. Upon checking the scripture, I found I made a mistake by saying "spirit". The scriptures say 'life.' Leviticus 17:11. But it still follows because the spirit is the life-giving force of the body.

Thank you for admitting your mistake...that is the importance of questions.

Oga the spirit is the 'life-giving force' not 'life' itself.

You have still not shown us where Peter mentioned 'souls' as those who were disobedient oo.