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GothamCities:
Your questions don't expose anything but your ignorance and lack of confidence to state your own opinion.

By the term I ask your your questions in reverse such as by saying "Which scripture says that men dead men are not in Hades, etc? Your question will look stupid. If you have any opinion, state it or get out!

Lol.....the bible clearly states that dead men are in hades....but show us where the bible states that the 'spirit' of dead men are in hades.

GothamCities:
Please go over my post again, and go over that book of Peter again. Peter didn't say the angels that impregnated women were the ones Christ preached to. He said the souls that were disobedient in the days of Noah while the longsuffering of God waited for them to enter the ark. Please point out from that scripture where Peter mentioned Tartarus or fallen angels.



We have addressed this issue already and I've shown you that dead people can be alive spiritually unto God. I cited Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as an example. I also cited the case of Samuel. The case of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man is also there. We also have the case of martyred souls who cried to God from under the altar in the book of Revelation. Even in Genesis, after Cain slew Abel, his blood cried out to God. Blood has no mouth or voice, so we can deduce that what cried out was his spirit. Even the scriptures say "the spirit of every living thing is in the blood."

Your assertion is wrong. There's no scripture that says men are silent, inactive and unconscious in the grave.

You quote only Ecclesiastes 9 where the silence and the memories that wee spoken about was about the status of dead people on earth and not in tje grave. They do not know what goes on on earth anymore. Everyone forgets about them, the memories of them are forgotten.

Kindly show us where Peter said that it was 'souls' that were disobedient in Noah's days.
Kindly show us where the bible says that the 'spirit' of every living thing is in the blood.

GothamCities:
I'm not here to answer your questions. If you have anything against what I've said, counter it or get out of here.

The only thing my question does to you is to expose your teaching. If you can't provide answers to those questions, your teachings has no biblical basis.

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GothamCities:
I didn't hide any part! I screenshot what you said according to what my screen could capture. Do not be dishonest in your dealings! You know I didn't hide anything!




In spite of it all, I'll still answer you purposely because I don't want you to mislead others into believing the doctrines of demons on this forum. I just pray that you will open your eyes and recover yourself from the quagmire in which you now find yourself.

Let's break down 1 Peter 3:19-20:

This is the whole Scripture:

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

1. "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;..."
Here, we do not know yet who the spirits are, but we know He preached to them. However, we also know that Jesus has ONLY a ministry to MAN and not to any other beings in the universe. Hence, we can first deduce that Jesus went to preach to the spirits of dead men in Hades. However, we need further confirmation before settling down to this conclusion. Hence, we have to read further.

2. So, who are the spirits Peter was talking about? Peter said the spirits are those "...Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Now, we know the spirits! They were the spirits of those who were disobedient in the days of Noah and who stubbornly refused to enter the ark that was PREPARED to save them, instead, the ark saved only 8 SOULS. God therefore gave THE DISOBEDIENT SOULS OF NOAH's DAYS a second chance by the preaching of Jesus.

Peter clearly stated the spirits Christ preached to!

Why You are Wrong

1. The angels in Tartarus have no connection with Noah's ark. Noah never preached to them, hence they could not be said to have been disobedient to Noah's preaching.

2. God created the ark for men, not for angels or fallen angels.

3. The longsuffering of God that waited in the days of Noah was for men to enter the ark. God was not expecting angels in the ark.

3. The eight souls that were saved were men. The souls that were not saved were also men. Angels have no souls. Hence, the souls that were disobedient and refused to enter the ark cannot be angels.

4. Jesus has no ministry to angels or fallen angels, hence, He couldn't have been preaching to them in prison.

Oga where does the Bible teach that the prison is in Hades?
Where does the Bible teach that when a man dies his spirit goes to Hades?
Where does the Bible teach that there is consciousness in Hades?
Kindly bring out a Bible verse to support those claims.

Kingsnairaland:
Psalm 110:1, David says, “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool’” (ESV).

In Matthew 22:44, Jesus quotes this verse in a discussion with the Pharisees in order to prove that the Messiah is more than David’s son; He is David’s Lord.

The clause the LORD says to my Lord contains two different Hebrew words for “lord” in the original.

The first word is Yahweh, the Hebrew covenant name for God. The second is adoni, meaning “lord” or “master.” So, in Psalm 110:1, David writes this: “Yahweh says to my Adoni. . . .” To better understand Jesus’ use of Psalm 110:1, we’ll look at the identity of each “Lord” separately.

The first “Lord” in “the LORD says to my Lord” is the eternal God of the universe, the Great I AM who revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3. This self-existent, omnipotent God speaks in Psalm 110 to someone else who is also David’s “Lord.”

The second “Lord” in “the LORD says to my Lord” is the Messiah, or the Christ. Psalm 110 describes this second “Lord”

Ok good explanation.....If you agree that the first Lord is Yahweh and the second lord is Christ, below is Psalms 83:18, is there any other lord that is equal to Yahweh according to that verse?

Kingsnairaland:
It makes him one in all and all in one

Jesus is the key

Look at the Bible telling you
The greatest is one who humbles himself

So Jesus is the greatest he is God almighty

Oga according to John 14:28, did Jesus tell you that he was equal or greater to the father? Yes or no?

Kingsnairaland:
You can't see all God secret in one place

Look below it shows the soul can be returned
It can be restored it has it own personality it what makes the man complete

The soul it like a software to the body it can be restored and reprogrammed it location is in your head

While the spirit location is in your heart in the blood

Matthew 16-26?
ESV
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?
Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

Psalm 23:3-4 KJV
He restoreth my soul

Another word for the soul is mind or thought process
The soul is also the mind

God shows here how the soul has it own personality by showing it can depart from your body


Genesis 35:18

English Standard Version
And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.


King James Bible
And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

So time will come when God will give everyone a new body called spiritual body then your soul and spirit will return to that new body

And your destination to eternity will be made by if you accepted or believed in Jesus while you were alive in your physical first body

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Alright Oga...... below is Genesis 35:18 in another translation.
Below is Ezekiel 18:4, 20 in king James translation. Do you believe that the soul dies according to those verses?


According to Genesis 2:7 that I quoted earlier, does that verse not tell you that man with his flesh is the one that is referred to as a living soul?

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sonmvayina:
You still think the Bible is a literal /historical literature...
If we were both in school, I would be in 400 level of a 5 year course, while you will be in primary 3...can you see the distance between my knowledge and yours?
Run along now little one...

Lol....Oga you are in 400 level and you cannot find one verse that says that man is a spirit? You sure say you dey school so?

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