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Donaldoni:
I am not a Jew. And my own Sabbath as a christian is Sunday which I observe.

You are dubious....am I a Jew.....why must I pay tithe?

Donaldoni:
Post your findings here. Saturday is a recent invention

An eye for an eye, easy divorce and co were also under the law of the Moses. They have been updated.

Tithe is fixed and must be paid or you are disobedient.

Oga I have given you a screenshot.....go and learn.

Sabbath is fixed and must be obeyed...if not you are disobedient.

Donaldoni:
An eye for an eye, easy divorce and co were also under the law of the Moses. They have been updated.

Tithe is fixed and must be paid.

Show me where sabbath was updated and why you are not doing it the way biblical jews did?

Donaldoni:
Like I said, we chose Sunday because there is no way of detemining what day it really should be.

Modern-day Jews are not christians and they may choose Saturday.

But this convo is about tithing, isn't it

Oga my research clearly shows you that the ancient isrealites did it on Saturday....why do you want to be deliberately ignorant?


Oga Sabbath and tithe are under the law of moses....you cannot make one compulsory and leave the other.....except you want to be an hypocrite.

Donaldoni:
Britannica for Bible issues? Why not quote Wikipedia?

Sabbath is Sunday for us christians. For modern-day Jews, it may be Saturday.

But this is about tithe not sabbath.

Oga Sabbath and tithe are under the law of moses....you cannot make one compulsory and leave the other.....except you want to be an hypocrite.

Donaldoni:
Britannica for Bible issues? Why not quote Wikipedia?

Sabbath is Sunday for us christians.

lol...you are a joke.....bring your research that counters what Britannica says na.....where does the Bible say that Sunday is the sabbath day for Christians?

Donaldoni:
They did not have 24 hours for sure!

Simple google search will help you

Oga below in the screenshot is your answer.

Donaldoni:
Come on, google will help you. The current Gregorian calendar we are using was not available in Jesus' time.

Even today, muslims and other religions/countries have their own calendar.

I go with Sunday to follow my currrent spiritual leaders.

Lol....so are funny....so because the Gregorian calander is different from the Jewish calendar means that the isrealites did not have 24 hours a day and seven days a week? Are you joking?

Donaldoni:
24-hour days are a recent invention. That is why you cannot determine what the 7th day of Bible times corresponds to today.

So we just go with Sunday.

You are a liar.......you mean that the isrealites did not have seven days a week or 24 hours a day, So why did you go with Sunday instead of just anyday?
Prove to me that the isrealites did not have 24 hours a day or seven days a week.

Donaldoni:
How do you know I don't observe the sabbath Sabbath is Sunday today just like Christmas and Easter have chosen days today.

But your tithe is fixed. It never changes. You MUST pay it as an obedient christian.

You are a liar.....show me where the isrealites did the sabbath on the first day of the week which is Sunday?
Are you not supposed to follow the bible? Did Jesus do sabbath on a sunday?

Show me where the bible say a Christian not under the law of moses must pay tithe.

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Donaldoni:
God anticipated your type

Matthew 3:10-12
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

God also anticipated your type:


Oga why are you not Obeying the sabbath day as stipulated in the scriptures, but you are here shouting about tithes....are you not an hypocrites? If Jesus did not say that we should stop paying tithe, where did Jesus say that you should stop observing the sabbath on the seventh day? Stop being an hypocrites. If you agree that we must continue to obey the Sabbath on the seventh day according to the law of moses then I will agree with you that we must continue to pay tithe.

Donaldoni:
So far we celebrate christmas and easter on our own chosen dates. Same applies to the sabbath.

Tithing predates the law of Moses and is for all christians.

There were no christians when Jesus was around. His Words still apply to us.

Where did Jesus teach that Christmas and Easter celebration applies to the sabbath day when he was on earth?

Where does the Bible teach that tithing is a must for all Christians because it predates the laws of moses?

If there were no christians when Jesus was around, did Jesus or his disciples who continued his ministry say that it was a must for those not under the law of moses to pay tithe?

Donaldoni:
The heart is all that matters.

We celebrate Christmas and Easter on specific days we choose. So is the sabbath. It's a matter of the heart.

But tithe is tithe. It's for everybody.

Where did Jesus teach that the sabbath day is anyday and a matter of heart? Kindly provide a verse.

Where does the bible teach that a Christian who is not under the law of moses disobeys if he does not pay tithe?

Donaldoni:
Anybody is free to observe the sabbath. And yes we observe Sunday as sabbath.

Anybody is free to decide to not pay tithe thereby acting in disobedience.

The law of Moses NEVER ended. It got updated with Jesus' death and resurrection

Where does the Bible teach that the sabbath day is Sunday which is the first day of the week?

Where does the Bible teach that a disciple who is not under the law of moses disobeys if he does not pay tithe?

Where did Jesus update the law of moses and said you should do the sabbath on Sunday?

Donaldoni:
When Jesus was around, the law of Moses was still in place. The disciples were paying tithe and were NEVER stopped.

Any day can be chosen to commemorate an event - e.g. Christmas day - the day of Jesus' birth.

So when did the law of moses end and where did Jesus say that his disciples must keep on paying tithe? Provide a verse.


Oga did the isrealites do the sabbath on anyday? Are you not supposed to follow the sabbath law just like tithe?

Donaldoni:
Anybody is free to obey the Sabbath. No harm in doing so.

Is the sabbath day a must or not?

Donaldoni:
He did not need to talk to them because they were doing the right thing and were already paying the tithe

Good.....show me where Jesus disciples who were not under the law of moses were already paying the tithe.

Donaldoni:
Anybody is free to observe the Sabbath - Sunday in this age.

Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

In Matthew 23:23 was Jesus talking to his disciples who were not under the law of moses?



Where does the Bible teach that Sunday is the seventh day and the sabbath day?

Donaldoni:
Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

On Matthew 23:23 was Jesus talking to his disciples who were not under the law of moses?


Why are you not Obeying the sabbath day since you cannot find a verse where Jesus updated it?

Donaldoni:
Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

On Matthew 23:23 was Jesus talking to his disciples who were not under the law of moses?


Why are you not Obeying the sabbath day since you cannot find a verse where Jesus updated it?

Donaldoni:
There were no christians when Jesus was around and His pronouncement on the matter before his death and resurrection is enough for the disciples to follow along with us christians.

When did Jesus pronounce that tithe was a must for his disciples who were not under the law of moses?

So why are you not Obeying and talking about the sabbath day since you cannot find a verse that shows that it was updated?

Donaldoni:
His disciples cannot negate his pronouncements. We are all expected to obey.

When did Jesus pronounce that tithe was a must for his disciples who were not under the law of moses?

Donaldoni:
There were no christians when Jesus was around. His Word is enough to direct us.

You mean that after Jesus dies and resurrected, no one continued his ministry?
His disciples that continued his ministry, did they say that tithe was a must?

Donaldoni:
Because some of the laws of Moses got updated. We follow the updated versions. Tithe was never updated.

Oga where did Jesus or his disciples say that tithe was compulsory for Christians?
Kindly show me where the sabbath day was updated.

Donaldoni:
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So why are you not following all the laws of moses....why are you concerned only about tithe.......why are you not concerned about Christians Obeying the sabbath day?

Donaldoni:
All scriptures apply to us just as we partake in Abraham's blessings etc etc

If tithing was not stopped for the Pharisees and Scribes, why should it be stopped for us

Also, there were no christians when Jesus was around.

I never said tithing was stopped for us.....kindly show me where Jesus or his disciples said that a Christian must pay tithe. That is my concern.

After Jesus died and was resurrected, did his disciples who continued his ministry say that Christians must pay tithe?

Donaldoni:
Malachi 3:10-12
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

Is this verse referring to Christians or the isrealites who were under the law of moses?

Donaldoni:
And he said they should not the leave the tithing which they had been doing undone as well which is why I bolded that portion of the scripture.

He said so because the law of moses required it from the scribes and Pharisees and other isrealites who were under the law of moses.

so show me where Jesus himself or his disciples required Christians to pay tithe.

Donaldoni:
Again, that is debatable or uncertain.

But what is undebatable/sure is that a tither MUST prosper.

Kindly show me a verse that says that a Christian who tithes must be material wealthy along with health, wellness, wholeness etc etc?