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Donaldoni:
Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Whether before of after the resurrection is inconsequential.

Why are you twisting a context. I have asked you this question. Please answer.
Was Jesus not referring to 'what they ought to have done' according to the law of moses in which the scribes and Pharisees were under?

Are we under the law of moses today after Jesus death and resurrection?

Donaldoni:
That is not my call.

What I am sure of is that a tither MUST prosper.

🤣🤣🤣....so you see that you only see one aspect of life due to your prejudice....I put it to you that people who pay tithe or not all have the same blessing. There is no difference.

Donaldoni:
Some of the laws of Moses got updated. So we now follow the updated version. Tithe wasn't updated.

In the law of moses, tithe was a must....show me where Jesus or any of his disciples said that tithe continued to be a must for Christians after his death and resurrection.

Donaldoni:
I can't.

What I know for sure is that a tithe MUST prosper. The events are NOT mutually exclusive.

O, asides material prosperity, you can prosper in health, wellness, wholeness, etc etc

So if I don't pay tithe, will I prosper in material wealth along with health, wellness, wholeness etc etc?

Donaldoni:
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Thank you.....going by this your analogy, why are you not Obeying all the laws of moses as recorded In the old testament, why are you only focused on tithe?

Donaldoni:
Maybe you can ask them.

What I know for sure is that a tither MUST be prosperous.

And prosperity is NOT always about material wealth.

You should have an answer to those questions.


Apart from material wealth, what is prosperity all about? If I don't pay tithe, will I be prosperous apart from material wealth?

Donaldoni:
Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Thank you.....was Jesus not referring to 'what they ought to have done' according to the law of moses in which the scribes and Pharisees were under?

Are we under the law of moses today after Jesus death and resurrection?

naijapikin2:
Hahahahaha my brother, I am trying o... It's not easy to walk in all the commandments, but God will give us the grace to do our part. I don't condemn people who don't pay tithe. I just believe the grace of God is sufficient for all.

That's my perspective.

Lol....you clearly condemn people who don't pay tithe by saying that their blessings will not be complete.
If you are a tithe advocate According to the law of moses, you should also advocate for all the laws of moses. Because if you don't obey all the laws of moses According to your logic, your blessings cannot be complete.

Donaldoni:
There is no place for 'all' in this debate.

If you are a tither, you MUST prosper! The word of God is clear.

Lol you are so funny.....if a tither must prosper, does that not show that all poor genuine Christians are not tithers?
The genuine Christians that are not tithers and are prosperous, How did they become prosperous? Explain.

Donaldoni:
The commandment concerning tithe did not expire

Jesus did NOT stop the payment of tithe.

So kindly show me where Jesus said we must pay it?

naijapikin2:
Hahahahaha.. you can as well say the whole bible was not talking to we of today. You can say the whole bible was talking to the israelites and exclude your self. Then you have a justification. But of the Holy bible addresses we believers today then you and I are included.

The. Choice is your brotherly 🙏🙏

So why are you not following all the commandments given to the isrealites? Why are you concerned only about tithe?

naijapikin2:
The levites are the priests and servants of God today who commit their life to FULLY serve God. If you don't know this, then you really need a spiritual updating. Ask anyone you know in christianity. THE LEVITES ARE THE PRIESTS TODAY.

Lols....where did you get this your interpretation from? Kindly quote a verse. Don't let people deceive you.

Did the apostle Paul who committed his life to serve God fully work to take care of himself? Yes or no?

naijapikin2:
Hahahaha my friend. I am speaking from a deep insight as Led by the Holy Spirit. Earthly title's like Pastor, Bishop or rev father don't count with God.

My point of emphasis is that ANYTHING IN THE KINGDOM COMES WITH YOU PLAYING YOUR PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY.

Jeremiah 30:19 out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them. That make merry, and I will multiply them a they shall not be few, I will also glorify them and they shall not be small...

In everything in the kingdom you must ply your part FIRST, before God will play His own.

The air that you talked about. Bible says LET EVERYTHING THAT HAS BREATH PRAISE THE LORD.. The moment you don't use your voice to glorify God he takes it away... May that not be our portion o. 🙏🙏🙏

You still have not shown us where the bible says that Christians must pay tithe oo.

naijapikin2:
The levites who carry out the office of the priesthood have a commandment to take tithes of the people. My friend the people are you and I. Isn't it crystal clear enough

Lol...so where are the natural sons of Levi today?

Why are you lying that the 'people' in that context refers to me and you instead of the fleshly brothers of the levites who are the isrealites as shown in the screenshot below

Does the law of Moses apply to Me and you?

johnstin:
You are correct.
Neither will a born again Christian want the federal government to ban christainity.
If you call yourself a born again Christian, I will be watching you for the type of fruits you produce.
The Bible states clearly that, by their fruits you shall know them.

Should a real Christian say that the bible instructs Christians to pay tithe? If yes, where in the bible?

naijapikin2:
According to malachi 3:9-10

If you don't pay tithe you are robbing God and anyone who robs God will not be blessed.

Be that as it may. If you engage in other forms of giving and you neglect tithing, YOUR BLESSINGS WILL NOT BE COMPLETE...

I wasn't the one who wrote the scripture. I just TRY to abide by it's dictates.

Is Malachi 3:9-10 talking to the isrealites under the law of Moses or to Christians?

Kindly show me a verse that says that if a Christian does not pay tithe, his or her blessing would not be complete.

Donaldoni:
Not every genuine christian. But you cannot be a faithful tither and not prosper!

Lol......so all poor genuine Christians are not paying tithe? If yes, Can you explain how some genuine Christians who are not paying tithe are prospering?

naijapikin2:
Read verse 5..

With the help of the Holy Spirit.

It should come. Out clear.

Shalom 🙏

Lol....verse 5 clearly says that the sons of Levi Under the law of moses, had the official right to collect tithe from their fellow isrealite brothers. So where does verse 5 instructs Christians who are not under the law of moses to pay?

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adimian:
Tunji Jones,have noticed that your level of knowledge is not optimal.
If you have nothing to say,its better you keep quiet.

Kindly point out the wrong in his message.

naijapikin2:
Your blessings come from your giving. Tithes are not the only means of giving.

Giving to the less privileged and needy

Giving to parents

Giving to God, which includes your offering, tithe and other vows.

All these avenues of giving will bring God's blessings upon you.

So it's not only tithing that guarantees your heavenly blessings.

. shalom 🙏

You've not still answered the question.
If a person does not pay tithe, will God bless the person and make the person rich? Yes or no?

naijapikin2:
Malachi 3:9-10

Hebrews 7:1-7

Malachi 3:9-10 is definitely not talking to Christians but the isrealites under the law of moses.

I am yet to see where in Hebrews 7:1-7 where christians are told to pay tithe.....kindly point out the verse.

naijapikin2:
An uneducated scumbag... Know this and know your place.

FYI: everything in the kingdom of God requires you playing your part . Name one thing that is entirely FREE in the kingdom....

Even salvation, you must ACCEPT and CONFESS before you are saved.

ANYTHING FAITH THAT MAKES. GOD ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE FAITH.

Give and it shall be given....

Seed time and harvest time....

Ask and you shall receive
..

All these come with you FIRST playing your part before God.

Know this and know kingdom sense.

Good day

So where does the Bible say that a Christian should pay tithe before God will bless the person?

bixton:
As you responded so it is.

Ok oo.

naijapikin2:
Oga if you are not a TITHER, shut up your pie hole.

People are paying and it's working for them , you are there spitting garbage for what you don't do. Are we complaining.

Where is your sense


Something you don't do you complain about it. Has any one that pays tithe complained to you.

Face your life, and leave us alone.

You don't know better than we do...

You want to tell. Us what is more important for us than we know ourselves?

Why crap 😎

Lol....nobody is complaining about people who are paying tithe and it is working for.
I'm asking you a simple question.
If a person does not pay tithe, will God bless the person and make the person rich? Yes or no?

bixton:
Does the Bible say it is a must that a Christian should be circumcised? Yes or No...

Clearly no.
Does the Bible say that a Christian must pay tithe? Yes or no?

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bixton:
All this go forth and back lashes will continue because it's all about religion and not about God and Christ Jesus.

The Bible has been given to man to read and understand. The Holy Spirit has been released through Christ Jesus to mankind to those who are of the Light to understand the Truth in the word of God.

Tithe will continue to become a thing of controversy to those who are controversies and controversial.

Ever wondered why the early Apostles of faithand especially Apostle Paul did not talk about Tithe outside of the Israel on his entire missionary journey.

The same reason he did not bother to make anyone to be circumcised and that was why he stood up to Apostle Paul to tell him why does he play the hypocrite when the Apostles and others distanced themselves from one of them who was not a Jew but was a Christian and believer who was not circumcized.

Even Jesus Christ himself used wisdom and avoided controversial people.
Ever wondered why would the Son of Man pay the temple tax when he was asked to when his disciple inquired of Him when they were asked of their Master does not pay the temple tax.......

Jesus comment still remains and will never change and He asked his disciple........whose inscription is on the coin and he responded Caesar's.

May the Lord enable us with His Spirit to apply God's wisdom in our everyday lives and living.

Does the Bible say that it is a must for a Christian to pay tithe? Yes or no?