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tctrills:
You question here is not related to this topic and I will show you why.
If I ask you, since the new covenant is better, then why was there a Savior in the old testament, please answer
Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

tctrills:
You mean your four translations state that the follow are false right. Please copy and paste them
1.
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2.
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If so, no wahala

tctrills:
Oga you contradict both Paul and Jesus Christ and you accuse me of not being teachable because I choose to believe Paul and Jesus Christ and not you?
Sorry, I don't know how to trade me believe in Christ for a stranger on Nairaland.
Please read the words of Paul
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Now the words of Christ
John 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Please forgive me if I choose to believe Jesus Christ over you, I don't know you that well.

tctrills:
Yes, 4 false translations. I have given you only one translation.
How do I know your translations are all wrong? Because the contradict the scriptures.
Please read this verse in your four translations and let's see what they say
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Pls post your 4 translations of this verse here

tctrills:
Commentaries written by who, fake pastors or true men of God?
It's clear that you depend on commentaries more than the very words of Christ. He said no one can access the Father without him and you are looking for commentaries that day otherwise. Haba

tctrills:
You accuse me of twisting what was so clearly written? Let me quote it again,
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
It clearly says, till the seed (Christ) should come of whom the promise was made. The promise was Ordained by angels in the hand of the mediator (Christ) not Moses.
Still in Galatians 3.
This is what Paul wrote about Abraham's covenant or promise.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Faith in Jesus Christ is the foundation of Abraham's promise from God.

Let me ask again, was Moses also the mediator of Abraham, Jacob, Abel Enoch and others that came before him or do we have a third mediator?

tctrills:
No he was not referring to the old testament.
He was referring to the seed to whom the promise was made (Christ)
Now if you claim Moses was the mediator of the old testament, was it also Moses that mediated for Abraham, Jacob, Abel, Enoch and others that came before him or do you have a third mediator?

Yes prophets stand between men and God but not as mediators. Moses did not have the power to reconcile man with God. Please check the meaning of a mediator.

tctrills:
Good question now let me explain the bible to you.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one
Verse 16 makes it clear that Christ was the center of God's covenant with Abraham.
Verse 17 Abraham's covenant was confirmed in Christ.
Verse 18, Abraham did not live by the law but by his covenant/ promise in Christ.
Verse 19 says the law was there till the seed of whom the promise was made. The promise was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Do you get it now? It has nothing to do with Moses

tctrills:
Now for more evidence.
Gal 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So I have showed you that your translation is false.
Now Paul did not need to say Jesus is the mediator of the old testament since he already said.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
The old testament doesn't need a special mediator and it's only your wrong translation that states that Moses was the mediator.
I think your problem is that you don't know the meaning of a mediator.
Let's start from that.
A mediator is
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
Oxford dictionary says, a person or an organization that tries to help reach an agreement or settlement to act as (mediator in the negotiations.
Moses did not have the power to mediate for the sins of David or Isaiah or Jeremiah 9r anyone in the old testament.

tctrills:
Here is my translation sir. In fact, I am posting more verses to give you insight
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one
Do you see how wrong you are now?

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tctrills:
Sir again you are wrong.. There are over 3000 bible translations and I am sure you did not check to see how most translated that verse so clearly, you are being dishonest here.
But even if most did, I am not shy to stick with the minority when correct. In Galatians 3, the only mediator Paul was referring to is Jesus Christ.
Now I have answered your question, can you please answer mine?

tctrills:
So according to you doctrine, man has lost the privilege of accessing the Father directly. Ok .
There are many holes in your doctrine. First, your doctrine make Christ a liar.

Secondly your doctrine shows that the coming of Christ was unnecessary. If men of old did not need him to access God, then his coming is only ceremonious as we also could have continued to access God without him.

Lastly, according to your doctrine, we have at least 2 mediators hence Paul lied when he wrote,
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
So clearly my brother, your doctrine is not based on the bible but on guesswork and it doesn't add up.

WeirdAlien:
Seems it's our understanding of the English that is different.
Either way that doesn't change anything else in the comment you quoted, which answers your second question with scriptural references.

solacong:
Bros look for it by yourself oh, I have just tried to bring an explanation to your question, you cannot give an assignment

gallantfx:
Why do you purposely choose to be ignorant
Jesus fulfilled the requirement of the law (that is need for a sin Offering )
Abolish the ritual laws
But made the moral law more strict e.g anger for murder.

Abraham who was before the law paid tithe, it was long established
Did you take the righteousness by faith which was before the law as Paul accounted the story of Abraham in Romans 4 and leave the tithe ?

If you truly believe in God and the redemption in Christ Jesus, Omo you don't know the dept of love and sacrifice in redeeming sinful human na why tithe of 10% be your problem

Openair:
Psalms 16:10; David was thanking God that he would not go to hell anymore, cause God picked him up, hell is not his destination.
Jonah 2:2; Jonah prayed to God, he was about to die, it was a near death experience.
Psalms 116:3 and Psalm 86:13; David was literally at his lowest point, he was describing his predicament, then God answered him.

I feel you should try reading the Bible in other translations, to as to understand the Context of the verses you read. You can use Message Bible, it more like breaks things down.

solacong:
Since you have refused to see it or you did not understand, let me say this, in your understanding of the scripture, you need to check the verse before an after for more clarity.

in the context of soul, you are referring in that verse of the scripture, it is not talking about life after death, it is referring to an entity or individual

so try to read the verse again

Jcash90:
that's Corinthians, in this generation we only know tithe and offering final, God bless the church.

Iamanoited:
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tctrills:
I told you that your translation of the bible is fake and you called me dubious. Now let me ask you, do you accept every translation of the bible?
If even you would not accept every translation, when then do you expect me to accept a false one especially when I presented you with a correct one?