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femi4:
You are the one missing out.
Yes, Abraham knew.... Adam knew as well cos God told him that if you disobey , you will DIE

God didn't even use the word SIN but DEATH to underscore the importance of keeping his rule and the consequences of disobeying him

Adam had that knowledge that the consequences of disobeying God is death

So Adam knew that it was bad to disobey God by eating from the tree, right?

femi4:
I am not, you are the one using human logic to reason God's way.

You called it test cos you know the end of the story. Abraham didn't see it as a test when he received the instruction, infact he didn't inform Sarah and couldn't give good explanation to Isaac but he just OBEYED.

Kindly show me where Abraham was excited on his way to sacrifice Isaac

God doesn't joke with being OBEDIENCE to his command irrespective of what you think about it, whether it make sense or not. Of course most times he does not always make sense

Your case would have been justified if there were no existing rules

Romans 5:19

For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be brought back to God


Adam had pre existing knowledge : EAT n YOU WILL DIE. That means Adam knew about DEATH

You are missing the point.....Did Abraham know that it was good to obey God and that it was bad to Disobey God?
Yes or no?

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femi4:
You still don't get it

Obedience is better than sacrifice....that's how God operates. He doesn't use human logic.

Abraham was given an instruction to sacrifice his only son

From human sense of judgment, that's a bad act but he OBEYED

It doesn't have to make sense to you

Lol...you are cunny.....Abraham's test makes a lot of sense. Abraham well knew that sacrificing Isaac was good and resisting to make the Sacrifice was bad in the eyes of the creator because that was the creator's instruction.
But you are arguing and insinuating that Adam never knew that Obedience to God was neither good nor bad.
So Adam had every right to Obey or Disobey without punishment because there was simply no standard for Adam to follow. Adam Obeying or Disobeying God would not still mean that he was doing the right thing or the wrong thing according to you.
So why the clause of a punishment If he disobeyed?

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StillDtruth:
Guy you understand it, joor. Good and bad no dey dat time, so no body including you and me no fit say anything dey good or bad at dat time as good and bad no dey for world dat time.

And that is why God did not judge anything saying it is good or bad, so you cannot put good or bad in there, at that time!

Oga you've consistently been arguing that Adam's disobedience was not bad in the eyes of God.
So why would God punish Adam for something that he was not even aware of?
This guy could not even tell the difference between doing what is good and bad?
He could not Even know that Disobedience was a bad thing to do. So why the punishment?
How is that fair?

femi4:
yes
They disobeyed God, its not a matter of right or wrong.

God removed king Saul for disobeying him even though he felt he did what was right

Disobedience is a sin even if it seems like a good act

So what you are saying is that Adam's disobedience to God was not bad? Then why was he punished since this guy was not guilty of doing something bad?
How does that make sense to you?
How can God punish someone for for a disobedience that is not even bad in his own eyes?

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StillDtruth:
Bad and good was not activated, them so, like God, no one can put them in.

Oga I no understand this your statement.....
Adam did not do anything bad by eating the fruit from the tree, yes or no?

StillDtruth:
Did you not read "knowing good and bad like us"

God already knows but did man know? No.

And did God judge them for it? No, He did not.

He only judged them for their obedience/disobedience which they knew.

So therefore, the man did not do anything bad by disobeying God?
Yes or no?

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StillDtruth:
I am saying good and bad was not in issue or focus when God judged which His judgment shows that they were judged only on obedience/disobedience.

So you are saying that obedience did not mean good while disobedience did not mean bad in the eyes of God right?

femi4:
No, you cannot generalise. They had limited knowledge

All they knew were information given to them by God.

It's like teaching a baby how to sing, later the baby discovered he could dance after acquiring additional knowledge maybe from watching TV etc

It's like telling a girl that she will get pregnant with a touch from a guy but she later discovered that it is through sex



Gen 3:2

And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever

So If the information given to them did not include good and bad, is it fair to hold Adam responsible for committing bad since this guy did not Even know the difference between good and Bad?
Nawa for una oo.

StillDtruth:
Where did God say that?

And did you not see that (if He truly Said that) He Said that only after man now knew good and bad?

Which is why you see that God judged them only for obedience/disobedience.

So you are saying that Adam's disobedience was not bad in the eyes of God since Adam did not even know what was good or bad?

femi4:
yes
The proof here

for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

All they knew then were based on what God told them until they ate the fruit.


After eating the fruit , they acquired additional knowledge on their own e.g "They discovered that they were naked "

So meaning that Adam and Eve knew good and bad before eating from the tree right?

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MaxInDHouse:
If you want to discuss on WITNESSING you can start a thread on the topic so interested ones will join you but as for us we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES even Jesus is a witness of our God:

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26

You guys should leave Mr Emusan alone.
I gave up on him when He agreed that it was 'Jesus' that told 'Jesus' to sit at his right hand in psalm 110:1.
How could you possibly reason with such a person that made sense out of that statement?
So just leave him.

femi4:
He disobeyed God. He knew about the tree. These were some of the commandments or manual given to them to run the garden

Genesis 2:15-17

The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Did Adam know that eating from the tree was bad?
Yes or no?