TimiRume:


And you occupied the front page misleading believers? Which coven did Satan send you from?

You are rebuked

The rebuke is in you!

Jesus was also called Beelzebub and he said if they call the master of the house beelzebub. what will they not say of his household? matt 10:25.

Delightsome2023:
you mean God accepts polygamy?
As a christian I can marry more than one wife?

Absolutely!

Michael547:

You are not sincere with yourself If you don't care to know if pastor Chris agrees on a Christian marrying more than one wife.
Because the answer to that question would expose your logic on whether his teaching is right for a born again to be with two wives.

How can I know if Oyakhilome things Christians can or cannot have more than when he has not come out to air his opinion on that! I don't know becausr I am not him! and he has not come out to say anything about that!

Just like you, the only means I have to know what Oyakhilome thinks on specific issues is if he comes ourlt and says something about those issues, like he has come out to have his say on the issue of whether or not a man should out aside any of his wives if he becomes a christian.

I do not have a back door access to him; so, if he does not cone out to say what he thinks about a thing, then there is no way I can know.

And if you want to know what he thinks about whether or not polygamy is christian, then you have to schedule an interview with him and ask him!

kingxsamz:


Okay, but where is his wife though?

I can't answer that as I have never met the wife nor do I have her contact

betonnaira:
but d bible also said dont marry from an unholy community, just like what solomon started doing

Is the issue at hand that of which community you are to marry or mot to marry from?

Stay of the topic!

ufotunang:
....ok but is the bible against a Christian to marry more than one wife...I am just asking

Simole answer? No!

Infact, he blesses it!

DavidEsq:

On what do u base your opinion?

I am responding basically because I saw ''Esq'' in your monicker. This means debating with you should be better than debatting with these people we are so unfortunate to have on this forum.

I want you to go to the very start of this discussion and look through all my posts, you will know what I based my conclusions on. Going back to begin to recount it here, will take so much time which is unnecessary for me now.

If you have any problem with what you see there, please let me know. and I will respond as honestly as possible in line with the highest knoweldge available to me on the topic.

If, after going through it, you have a better position with superior facts and arguements, arguements that are supposed to be given to you by an all-wise holy spirit if you are a christian, then I would like you to present it and show that they are superior to the ones given herein as I am truth- oriented, and more than willing to learn the truth of the matter! Of what use is falsehood to me? If I were not truth oriented when I went fact-finding about this issue, how then did I find out all these things which the mainstream, including pastors and their fans we have on here, find so difficult to debunk? Is it difficult for the Holy Ghost to debunk lies? How can I, a agent of darkness spreading like, like they all call me, be winning against them who think they are presenting light?

Babaibeji2020:

Beautiful.....
Whatever rocks your boat.

Glad it sits well with you!

Michael547:

Does Pastor Chris agree that a born again Christian can marry more than one wife?

you will have to ask him to know. Sorry, I can't helo you there!

Realguyman1:
Just as I said before; Christianity only teaches one man one woman, which only applies to belivers. But never said any man should sent any of his wives away before he became a born again. One can only be questioned and penalised if he is alread a beliver and still go ahead to marry more than one wife.

And mind u, it's the man that will be penalise and not the second wife he married. The second wife can be penalised only if she is also a beliver and attend the same Church with the man and still went ahead to marry him when she already knows that he is a married man.

My dear, you just spoke a load of bunkum!
You never backed it up with any sound biblical passage. You taught your own opinion and presented it as God's teachings.

No, Christianity DOES NOT TEACH ONE MAN ONE WIFE, IT IS YOU AND YOUR PASTORS WHO ARE IGNORANT ON THE ISSUE THAT TEACH ONE MAN ONE WIFE!

Judolisco:
everything must not be taught, it's jst common sense, u did something when u didn't know or have d knowledge, now that you know shouldn't u correct yourself, shall we then continue in sin and expect grace to abound? God forbid...... If u stole something before you became born again, it is only right for you to return it.... You married two wives when u were in d world when u get born again, do away with d 2nd or 3rd wife....

My dear Polygamy is not stealing! if it is stealling, then tell me whose wife she was before you married her! For a thing to be ''stolen'', it must have a prior owner, right? and the prior owner definitely has a name. so, tell me whose wife she was before you married her!

Realguyman1:
U are just crying up and down on this thread... Have u seen any Christian that was married to 2 or more wives before he became a born again , who sent any of his wives away because he is now a Christian?

Christianity only says one man one woman, which only applies to belivers. But never said any man should sent his any of his wives away before he became a born again. One can only be questioned and penalised if he calls himself a beliver and still go ahead to marry more than one wife.

It looks like you have not been reading this thread to see many who shamelessly hold that view.

The person askong Oyakholome that question was probably told that by the members of his church.

Also, The christian who is born again CAN GO AHEAD AND MARRY ANOTHER WIFE. That is sanctioned by God and you can be rest assured that marriage is being celebrated by God and his angels in heaven!

Offpoint1:

A second wife is still "1 woman, she's not 2 persons"

You guys will quote the verses that suit your western indoctrination... Explain to me what you understand by neither shall he "greatly multiply to himself SILVER AND GOLD"

They cherry-pick what suits them

Babaibeji2020:

Bring up a rebuttal with a certified clown who has been brain washed to the marrow....?
Nah nah nah......I don't contest with puppets who "daddy in da lord" has hypnotized.......sorry.

I am an atheist

tctrills:

Unless you are writing your own bible but no where is polygamy called a problem in the bible we know
It's also not a social problem.
There are more broken monogamous marriages than broken polygamous ones.
The countries with the highest divorce rates are mostly monogamous.
The countries with the highest rate of children without a father in the home are monogamous.

Красивы и точно

Babaibeji2020:

Specify your location.....a few flogging with 2by2 planks on your head would reset your brain!
Don't promote Stewpidity, please.

All these things you are saying won't help your position; only a well prepared, fact-based rebuttal will!

Since you say you are speaking the mind of God on this issue, then you should be able to give a superior rebuttal! Or is the god whose position you claim you are on, not a god of wisdom? why is he not choosing to baptize you with that rare and superior wisdom with which to counter my points if my points are indeed of the devil, a lower and weaker force that God?

Bur the fact you are not gwtting baptized by God, is the reason to believe that you are wrong on this issue, and I am right on it. God said ''bad as you you are, you can give good things to your children....how much more will your father in heaven give the spirit (the spirit of wisdom) to those who ask?'' (Luke 11:13).
So, since he is not giving you, it means you are on the wrong side.

Babaibeji2020:

You're a very very big clown......🤣🤣🤣🤣
god of men have blinded you massively......you need help!

You could have brought up a rebuttal if you have one, that would help your position more.

twilliamx:


You are right but the only snag is that he can't be a preacher on the pulpit

he CAN BE A PREACHER AND ALSO A BISHOP!

Truvelisback:
David did, Jacob did, Esau did and others. Yes, the Bible talked about one wife but in a situation a man marries more than one, he isn't permitted to divorce.

The bible NEVER TALKED ABOUT ONE WIFE!

Righteousness2:
Unbiblical teaching from the pit of Hell.
In order words restitution is wrong.

GOD'S Word is the Standard not what Pst Chris or anybody thinks or says.

GOD'S Standard in the Bible is One Man one woman.
You cannot help GOD by your human brain.
We are to Obey GOD'S Word not Man's word.

It is good to know you fancy hell fire so much, you would like to go there! This is why you insist on having an opposing view to God's on the issue of polygamy

But let me remind you what you will find there: the bible says in hell fire, there will be gnashing of teeth, it says the fire will never go out! It says hell is an eternal (Matthew 25:41), physical (Matthew 10:28), and horrifying (Mark 9:43) place where those who’ve sinned (Romans 3:23) are headed.

@Rightoeusness2, when you call polygamy sinful, when your God calls it blessed, you are sinning against him and THE LAKE OF FIRE IS WHERE YOU WILL BE WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDS!

Jesus is warning you now like he warned Peter in acts 10 that you should not call a sin, what he has called HOLY!

MaxInDHouse:


Oh, now i get you!
So you're not even interested in the truth but antagonism shey?

Well continue asking! Matthew 7:7

This is how you know those who are on the wrong side: that they get intimidated by simple questions, questions which they do not have a problem asking other people; but as soon as they get asked the same question, they get thrown into random motion girating about like pollen grains in water, avoiding the question.

MaxInDHouse:


He got baptized in a religion and continued till he decided to leave but he never bear the title "APOSTLE" neither did he speak against Paul!

The question he asked you is who baptised your mentor in JW? Who taught him? The person that did that does not have a name?

jesusjnr2020:
[Are Apostles Selman And Suleiman Right About Errors Of Paul's Teachings? (Videos)

Recently some of the most powerful and respected young Nigerian preachers around the world have come out to say some really interesting things about apostle Paul's teachings.

First it was apostle Joshua Selman who said there were many errors in apostle Paul's teachings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSuqzXdeKTI?si=4PXOEMhD85TGgAXO

Now apostle Johnson Suleiman has followed suit to say that Jesus told him the teachings of grace by apostle Paul were not from Him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyhFavyWf1A?si=3nsHeyyO-aGB8Z-h

So could they be right that there were errors in apostle Paul's teachings or could they both be wrong at the same time?

God bless.

Daddy Freeze' shook them down to their very foundation, afterall! Today, they are beginning to go back to the drawing board and retracing their steps.

MightySparrow:


Thanks brother. I just read through. You make a lot of sense. Please check my signature and purpose on this platform.
Thanks Sir.

Keep up tge good work. That's why I am here too.

MightySparrow:



Hahahaha.


You have to answer my question first. Just back up your claim with just one scripture.
Only one.

No one was having more than one wife in the whole Europe in the time of Paul, Peter and others.
Alawada kerikeri

1Tim.3.2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Tim.3.12 - Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, [/b]ruling their children and their own houses well.
Titus.1.6 - [b]If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

There must have been polygamists in the first church, but were not permitted to be leaders. (Your organization does not have deacons and bishops; they are not scriptural)
Those things were not serious issues to any one who was coming in contact with Christian faith for the first time.

Marriage is a cultural thing. The culture of Christianity gradually swallowed those existing ones. In the process, no record of any husband who was recorded that sent away his wives. Today, it is not an issue anymore in Europe. Theirs is not standard either. Today it is one man one wife. Either may have married severally before.


All these nonsensical inferences from the conceited GB.

I remember you also claim that no one apart from Jews manifested any spiritual gifts. And Paul gave them instructions on how to manage manifestations of spiritual gifts one of which is prophecy.

No none Jewish prophesied?!

Special teachings from special imperfect organization.

Это точно!

MightySparrow:



These GB doctrinal nonsense self.


Give scriptural examples.

Wow!

I swear I did not see this response before I responded to this very post of his; and like you, I described it as ''bunkum'', meaning: nonsense!

So, @MaxInDHouse, you can see I am not the only one who can see what you wrote there and not only called it nonsense, i.e, it doesn't make sense, but also saw that you did not come up with that from your bible. I also refered you to check sola scriptura vs sola fidei debate.

@mightySparrow, please scroll up and see my response to @MaxInDHouse and tell me what you think.

MaxInDHouse:


Paul was referring to converts who feels their wives must join them in their new found faith or they will divorce them, what Christianity is against is multiple sex mates so before you are baptized as a Christian you must stop mating with more than one woman that's why other wives can't continue with you.
You're not divorcing them if they want to stay they're free but having sex with them becomes a sin from the moment you accept Christ.

What bunkum!

But I thought you Jehovah's withnesses claim you don't believe whatever is not in the bible.

See sola scriptura vs sola fidei debate.

but here you are, cooking things up yourself, and presenting it like it is the word of the lord.
There is NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD SAID A MAN WHO HAS MIRE THAN ONE WIFE SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH THE OTHER WIVES. HE NEVER TOLD DAVID, NOR DID HE TELL GIDEON, MOSES, JACOB, OR ANY OF THE CHRISTIANS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WHO HAD MORE THAN ONE WIFE.

I really thought as a sola scriptura believing christians that witnesses are, they would insist on what is said by god, in the bible, and not try to bring up their views and present it like it is god's position on issues. This is what God frowned at Peter on when he told him in Acts 10 that he should not call unclean what he himself considers clean.

MaxInDHouse:
Most of you don't understand this but i will explain.

What God promised mankind is Paradise where there will be no sorrow, pain, envy, anger, jealousy, hatred and quarrelling but that can't be possible with polygamists you can't find one single example of a polygamist in the Bible whose home doesn't experience the troubles resulting from polygamy. such will not be allowed in Paradise so to prevent it all of us must return to the standard God set in the beginning for marriage which is one Adam one Eve!

First of all, lets look at monogamies in the bible and see if these ''problems'' exist.

Adam and Eve

Adam and Eve was a mogamous marriage yet, we could find all the things you listed above in dangerously high levels!

Cain and Abel offered sacrifices to god and the bible says Cain became FURIOUS and SCOWLED in ANGER! (gen 4:5). His anger reached such a dangerous level that god had to warn him to be careful. God said: ''because you have done evil, SIN IS CROUCHING AT YOUR DOOR AND IT WANTS TO RULE YOU, BUT YOU MUST OVERCOME IT.''. Because the anger and jealousy was so great, he turned around and did the worst: KILL ABEL! That's case No1.

Case No2: Isaac and Rebecca

This is another monogamy, whose ONLY CHILDREN were TWINS, and as you will see, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES, that there was a dangerous level of ENVY, HATRED, JEALOUSY, ATTEMPTED MURDER, CURSE, FAVOURITISM AND THEFT.

Even though Cain and Abel were twins, the bible says: Isaac prefered Essau while Rebecca prefered Jacob (Gen 25:28). That's favouritism which you think polygamy breeds! the favouritism was at such a dangerous level that when Isaac wanted to bless Essau, one of Rebecca's children, she plotted and STOLE the blessings for Jacob. When Essau heard it, he said: ''THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE IS CHEATING ME'' (Gen 27:36). In vs 41, it says: Essau HATED Jacob and that he will KILL Jacob. In vs 44, Rebecca said to Jacob to stay with his uncle until his brother's ANGER had cooled down.

So, can we say these are due to monogamy?

Now, lets look at polygamy and see if there exists virtue and some of God's loftiests ideals.

Lamech (Gen 4: 18-22)

The bible says Lamech had two wives and he had three sons. The first one, Jabal, was the father of those who did agriculture. The second was the father of musicians, and the third one was the father of those who made crafts.

When the bible says ''they are they fathers of...'' it means they were so accomplished in their chosen careers that when you mention those careers, they are the first ones that will cone to mind. They became famous for these professions due to their hard work, dedication and delligence.

According to sociologists, there is a strong correlation between career success and a very well adjusted home.

Jacob's polygamous home

When the other brothers plotted to kill Joseph, Reuben, Jacob's first born who DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTHER WITH JOSEPH BY THE WAY, planned to save him. Also, take note that his brothers hate him not because he had a different mother, but because ''joseph loved him more than the others''(Gen 37:4). Also, see that all his brothers who hated him, were also children of different mothers. They also loved Benjamin and protected him even though he was born of Rachel, Joseph's mother. Judah said he PLEDGED HIS LIFE FOR BENJAMIN (Gen 44:32).

After Joseph had been sold and Reuben.came back to the well and dis not find him, the bible said he TORE HIS CLOTHES IN SORROW! (Gen 37:29)

What about Gideon, who the bibke says.had many wives yet NOT A SINGLE EVIL WAS RECORDED TO HIS NAME INSTEAD, HE WAS MENTIONED IN HEBREWS 11 AS A MODEL OF FAITH TO THE BORN AGAIN.

There you go; I have answered your question by providing examples of polygamous homes in the bible where the highest virtues exist, those virtues you see in paradise. I have also provided you with evidence from monogamies in the bible where the worst vices of envy, jealousy, hatred, etc, existed in dangerous levels.

@DTruthSeeker @Donnie @Joagbaje. I wonder what you think about this.

Dtruthspeaker:


You did not ask me to describe polygamy but to show the problems arising out of polygee.

How is immorality, injustice and cheating a problem associates with polygamy?

Negroid001:


I get your point.
I'm not religious. Imaginary principles don't work for me.

But i get what you're trying to say now.

I want to ask a question.
Would you let a surgeon with mortality rate consult for you, let's assume you have a life threatening emergency?

Except that this is not a surgeon's case; it is a christian case.

NB: I am an atheist

Dtruthspeaker:


A person can be called yet he does not accept eg Moses.

A person can accept yet he is not called or is delusional as to his calling and who he imagines called him.

The God's call mentioned in that part of the bible is not a call to priesthood, but the basic call to repentace and chriatianity. In Revelations, it says: behold I stand at the door of your heart and knock; who ever opens, I will come in.

So, what I said there stands.

paxonel:
Oyakhilome is absolutely right here

especially when Paul said in 1 cor 7 that you need to remain as you were when you accepted God's call.

Dtruthspeaker:


And not one of them was praised or honoured by God. That clearly shows you God's mind.

No, God's mind is clear from the old testament into the new: that polygamy is right in his sight, and that he blesses it.

If the new testament did not mention anyone in particular in new testament time, and ''praise him for polygamy'', then it is because non of the books of the new testament can be classified as a history book. It is only in the history books of the bible you see mention of individuals and the basic interpersonal politics that happened with and around them in which virtues could be seen.

The new testament consist of the synoptic gospels (the life of Jesus), the acts of apostles (an account of the movement of the holy spirit among christians), the epistles (letters written mainly by the apostles to address specific issues, and when it came to addressing the issue of what to change after getting born again, it says you should remain as you are even if you have more than one wife), and the apocalypsis (an escathology). So, you can see there is no history book there and that's why you cannot find what you asked.

But in the old testament, there is the Pentatuch (a somewhat historical account of the hebrews in eapecially with genesis and exodus). You also have other hisorical books like Judges, 1&2 sam, 1&2 kings, 1&2 chronicles, Esther, Joshua, Ruth, Ezra and Nehemiah. It is in books like these you see mention of individuals and the interpersonal politics that played around them, which presents us with an opoortunity to see the virtues in these individuals, virtues God rained praises on. He said of David, ''he is a man after my heart!

Men who had polygamous homes and who's virtues god extoled did not stop with David; the list include Moses (Exodus 33 vs 17). He says about Moses: ''I will do everything you have asked, because I am pleased with you and know you by name''. Of Gideon, he said: ''The lord is with you, brave and mighty man''. He said this even though ''Gideon had 70 sons because he had many wives''. Gideon was one of the people referenced in Hebrew 11 as a role model for faith.

In other non history books in the old testament, you don't see mention of individuals who had more than one wife, and were extoled for their virtues. Books of songs and wisdom like psalm, proverb, eclesiastes, Lamentation, etc did not have such accounts even though they are in the old testament. Books like the prophetic books also do not have auch accoubts as well because they are not history books.