Veecruz:


Clearly, they were mad but your point is Off point!

You really wish you have so much power beyond what you currently have.

A point is ''off-point'' not because you say so, but because of its demerits. So, what is the demerit of my point?

Maximus692:


Don't worry there's nothing wrong with both whether polygamy or polyandry after all God never condemned any!

If you were the one speaking the truth and the mind of god concerning this issue, you woild definitely have a rebuttal! He said: when that tine comes, do not bother about what to say, for it will be given to you by the holy ghost (matt 10:19). Or by you not having a powerful rebuttal, you saying God is not faithful to fulfil his promise to you? We all know God is faithful because he said even while you are unfaithful, I am always faithful (2 Tim 2:13) and he said ''this word shall not return to me void, it sha accompish whatever it is said to do (Isaiah 55:11). So, with that in mind, we can confidently say that it is you @Maximus692 that is speaking lies about God's position on polygamy.

Veecruz:


And only a mad wife will ever approve such an evil thing, like only a mad man will give approval to his wife to marry another man, so The Law has tied them permanently.

Leah and Rachel were all mad women, and Jacob was a mad man too? Of course, he did not marry their handmaids and those handmaids were only concubines and did not have the same status as wives in those societies, but I think my example stands.

Veecruz:


You Lie! God did. Here it is.

Deuteronomy 17:14-18 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell there... Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself,

The concluding part of that scripture says: ''...nor shall you multiply gold'' (DethroneYourEnemy 17:18). So, tell me...when are you going to sell all your private jets and stop the preaching of prosperity gospel?

You go cherry picking and think that is acceptable in serious circles.

Maximus692:


Don't worry there's nothing wrong with both whether polygamy or polyandry after all God never condemned any!

Thank you for admitting the truth! For that, I will commend you by saying: You are smart! you are loyal!! Take💰, go buy you mama house, 💰Go buy youself houses, 💰Go spend some money for no reason, 💰come back and ask for more!

paxonel:
Happy and well brought up children like Absolom who raped his step sister and wanted to overthrow his father, or Joseph that was sold by his step brothers?

Which happy children from polygamous home in the bible are you talking about?

Polygamy may guarantee a happy family and well brought up children, but in a very rare case(1 out of 50) especially in Africa where ignorance is revailent.

You know: you people just don't know the rules of arguement and instead of asking that you be taught, you just plunge yourselves into deep waters with absolute recklessness!

If you are going to mention Absalom's behaviour, you CAN'T JUST STOP THERE, YOU WILL HAVE TO MENTION why his behaviour was due to polygamy! I mean this is very simole and straight forward! So, when I look at Cain getting ao Jealous of Abel that he got him killed, then I ahould attribute that murderous behaviour to the fact that his father married only one wife? You people should make use of your heads ao you don't obtain the reputation of being block heads! What is the connection between polygamy and Absalom's behaviour?

But the very fact, you bring logical falacies,a.dn that you cannot provide a coherent arguement, shows that you and all the other people on your side of the debate, including @Maximus, are not of God!

One of the tell-tale signs that one is of God and is speaking the mind of God concerning things, is that he provides a clear and logically accurate and coherent arguement! This is beacsue God promised you, the christian, that you have been given a spirit of SOUND MIND (2 Tim 1:7). That is why when Peter and John were brought before the council after healing a man at beautiful gate, he floored every body there with his superior elloquence and logically coherent arguement! Go back and read it again (Acts 4). Infact, to point to you that him being able to present in a very elloquent manner, his logically cohenrent arguement, was due to the fact that he had the Holy Ghost in him, the opened by saying ''Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, spoke up and said:...'' (Acts 4:6). And like I said: this is in fulfilment of the scripture which says: ''...I have given you a spirit of sound mind'' Peter could not have floored the elders, if he was not elloquent and presented a logically coherent arguement. The part of this speech that shows he provided a logical arguement can be seen in his final remark: he said: ''judge for yourselves whom we should obey, you or God'' (Acts 4 vs 19).

So, you, @Paxonel, pointing to Absalom's behaviour and presenting it like it was caused by polygamy without showing us how it is was cause by polygamy, especially when this and mant other evil are found in the lives of monogamous families, means you are presenting a logical fallacy and like we have seen, that is the sure sign that you are speking the mind of the devil concerning this issue! You don't have the spirit of God otherwise, you would have provided a logically.coherent arguement!

Maximus692:


They don't understand God's word they only quote it.

There's no single polygamist in the Bible who doesn't experience the pain and sorrow that has to do with polygamy.

Must God tell us that's it's evil when we ourselves knows that?

Imagine after scrutinizing him about his mom, sister or daughter being a victim of polygamy he came out openly that he hates it yet he's quoting Isaiah 4:1 where God laid a cursed on the inhabitants of Jerusalem!

@ bolded

I want you to provide evidence to SHOW THAT THE SO-CALLED SUFFERING ANY ONE IN THE BIBLE SUFFERED, IS DUE TO ''POLYGAMY''.

IT WILL BE A MASSIVE SHAME ON YOU IF YOU GO AND POINT AT THE COMMON ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE IN HOMES, POLYGAMY OR NOT AS PRESENT IT AS ISSUES WRONG WITH POLYGAMY!

At this point, I know you are going to say jealous, envy, hatred, etc, are all product of polygamy. Well, lets see if that is true and that you don't find it in dangerous levels in momogamy as well!

First of all, lets look at monogamies in the bible and see if these ''problems'' exist.

Adam and Eve

Adam and Eve was a mogamous marriage yet, we could find all the things you listed above in dangerously high levels!

Cain and Abel offered sacrifices to god and the bible says Cain became FURIOUS and SCOWLED in ANGER! (gen 4:5). His anger reached such a dangerous level that god had to warn him to be careful. God said: ''because you have done evil, SIN IS CROUCHING AT YOUR DOOR AND IT WANTS TO RULE YOU, BUT YOU MUST OVERCOME IT.''. Because the anger and jealousy was so great, he turned around and did the worst: KILL ABEL! That's case No1.

Case No2: Isaac and Rebecca

This is another monogamy, whose ONLY CHILDREN were TWINS, and as you will see, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES, that there was a dangerous level of ENVY, HATRED, JEALOUSY, ATTEMPTED MURDER, CURSE, FAVOURITISM AND THEFT.

Even though Cain and Abel were twins, the bible says: Isaac prefered Essau while Rebecca prefered Jacob (Gen 25:28). That's favouritism which you think polygamy breeds! the favouritism was at such a dangerous level that when Isaac wanted to bless Essau, one of Rebecca's children, she plotted and STOLE the blessings for Jacob. When Essau heard it, he said: ''THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE IS CHEATING ME'' (Gen 27:36). In vs 41, it says: Essau HATED Jacob and that he will KILL Jacob. In vs 44, Rebecca said to Jacob to stay with his uncle until his brother's ANGER had cooled down.

So, can we say these are due to monogamy?

Now, lets look at polygamy and see if there exists virtue and some of God's loftiests ideals.

Lamech (Gen 4: 18-22)

The bible says Lamech had two wives and he had three sons. The first one, Jabal, was the father of those who did agriculture. The second was the father of musicians, and the third one was the father of those who made crafts.

When the bible says ''they are they fathers of...'' it means they were so accomplished in their chosen careers that when you mention those careers, they are the first ones that will cone to mind. They became famous for these professions due to their hard work, dedication and delligence.

According to sociologists, there is a strong correlation between career success and a very well adjusted home.

Jacob's polygamous home

When the other brothers plotted to kill Joseph, Reuben, Jacob's first born who DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTHER WITH JOSEPH BY THE WAY, planned to save him. Also, take note that his brothers hate him not because he had a different mother, but because ''joseph loved him more than the others''(Gen 37:4). Also, see that all his brothers who hated him, were also children of different mothers. They also loved Benjamin and protected him even though he was born of Rachel, Joseph's mother. Judah said he PLEDGED HIS LIFE FOR BENJAMIN (Gen 44:32).

After Joseph had been sold and Reuben.came back to the well and dis not find him, the bible said he TORE HIS CLOTHES IN SORROW! (Gen 37:29)

What about Gideon, who the bibke says.had many wives yet NOT A SINGLE EVIL WAS RECORDED TO HIS NAME INSTEAD, HE WAS MENTIONED IN HEBREWS 11 AS A MODEL OF FAITH TO THE BORN AGAIN.

I know you are shocked because you hope is, I will never find something like this from the bible!

You all are SERIOUSLY TO IGNORANT TO HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE YET, YOU CONFIDENTLY STEP UP WHENEVER THIS DISCUSSION ARISES.

When God told Peter that he should not call unclean what to him is clean, He was rebuking you chriatians from having an opinion based on prejudice! (Acts 10: 15)

Peter did not know enough about what is clean or not clean in the sight of God. So, out of his partial or total ignorance, he called unclean what to god is holy. Just as you are sinfully calling polygamy unclean when to God it is Holy, admirable, blessed, functional, good and praise worthy.

Let me tell you the dangers of not knowing your God's stands on issues and then go on to have an false knowledge about it.

Because Peter thinks the gentiles are not of God because they have not carried out all the purifications prescribed in the law of moses, and because they are not 'decendants' of Abraham, is the reason why he pulled back from the them when he saw Paul and the jews coming in the way. (Gal 2:11-21) As a result of that move, he denied the gentile christians the benefit of his annointing which they would have got if he stayed with them! The bible says: ''People learn from one another, just as iron sharpens iron'' Proverbs 27:17.

Yes, God could still have got the same benefit to the people whether or not Peter choses that he be used as agent of God in the process, as his reach is not limited by soace or time. But why would god do things himself when he has an ambassador in you? The reason ge gas you there is that you might share in his work to save man.

So, Peter, in withdrawing from the gentiles for fear and ignorance of what God considers clean, committed a grave sin against the lord!

In the same way too, because you have chosen to not know the truth and mind of God concerning popygamy, you are committing a grave sin against the lord! Because it shapes your mind and attitutde in a negative way to that holy institution and those who come from it!

Maximus692:


Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well-spoken-of, whatever things are virtuous, and whatever things are praiseworthy, continue considering these things! Philippians 4:8

When it comes to reality polygamy is not true, it's bad, not righteous, not chaste, not lovable, not well spoken of, not virtuous, not praise worthy that's why no sincere or normal human will want it for his mother, sister or daughter to be a victim of polygamy.

That's how to set matters straight using God's word! 2Timothy 3:16-17

My dear the scripture you quoted has got nothing to do with the topic at hand! You all should even listen to yourselves when you speak!

My dear, Polygamy is TRUE, RIGHTEOUS, CHASTE AND PRAISE WORTHY! YOU ALL THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT OF A THING, THEN IT BECINES BAD! A THING IS NOT BAD BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT!
AND YES, THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE VIRTEOUS, AND WILL ADVICE THEIR MOTHERS, SISTERS, OR FEMALE FRIENDS TO BECOME A SECOND WIFE!

paxonel:
The fact stil remain that, monogamy is far better than polygamy in terms of obtaining a happy family life and bringing up responsible children

My dear, there is no.evidence for aaying what you are saying and you should know better than making claims without providing an evidence to back it up.

You opinion is based on the idea that when you have two or more women in a home that generates hatred. But what you do not realize is the fact that human psychology is way more complex than you have said it. Look into the bible, and you will see happy and well brought up children who are from polygamous homes.

All of you being against polygamy being christian should just take a back sit because you have no case and no point!

Maximus692:


You didn't answer the question!

OK let me rephrase it:

Would you advise your son in-law or brother in law to practice polygamy?

If that us what he wants and his wife is accepting if it YES!

HMM. SOME OF YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE WON'T ANSWER YES AS OUR HONEST ANSWER. 😛

Maximus692:
If a man marry your daughter and you assisted him to get a better life because he's married to your daughter, hope you will welcome the new development when he decides to take a new wife and get a RIVAL for your daughter?

A mam should take a second wife afrer the first wife has approved of it.

absoluteSuccess:


Breathtaking, I really appreciate the extra length you went into making this respond as a man given to deep things of God, you are blessed and highly favoured!

Nevertheless, there are things you may have to agree with as really serious problem with your position. First, if my formula is "the two shall become one" and I ended the conversation, can you improve on my statement that I also mean "the multiple shall become one"? I think if that is the case, you are trying to come up with your own formula other than mine. Dropping fact and figure simply means I have taken a position. God position is at the very beginning of mankind as seen in the bible.

Albeit, I'm an African and my families were agrarian. My Dad was a polygamist, maybe not by his willful intentions but circumstances. And I also observed marriages in the agrarian communities close-up, its like marriage contract is "relationship" to them. It's as you can afford it, its completely outside any religious confine and has to do with your social and economic grand-standing and then your eyes for a finely woman as long as the ones at home could tolerate it.

On the other hand, the Yoruba religion frown at polygamy, it says "okan-soso l'obinrin dun mo nile oko" this is drawn from Ifa oracular dicta. Next, Yoruba wisdom are reposed in their proverbs and it says "'orisa je n pe meji' obinrin o si". That is to say, our fathers write-off polygamy despite the fact that they indulge in it. This proverb encapsulates what the woman go through in a polygamous setting and its quite avoidable, that's not to say "its all evil with polygamy compare to monogamy", no. But the stress of "marriage" applies generally, with polygamy being much strenuous.

If the Yoruba had been ardent supporters of polygamy, i trust they will never make any folk tales that will attack that institution. Yet that's exactly what most Yoruba folktale taught the children. It spoke of "igbako orogun mi b'odo lo", "asaro elepo rederede", etc. None of this polygamous folklore have a happy ending for everyone involved. Nevertheless, that is not always the case in reality. the folklore must have helped mitigate things like this. But it never remember to praise that institution. Technically speaking, our culture failed to support the very institution that brought it forth, meaning, we are "on our own" in this.

Let's go to the bible

Did God have a foreknowledge that man will become polygamous? No. God does not have to know everything to be God. That's not what it means to be God. I invented something and i already know everything about my invention from the moment my invention becomes reality, that's no "practical reality". My inventions will take up its own "behaviour" once it interacts with its environment and then i am to observe and take in my readings or inference. that's being God over my invention, if i can always improve upon it.

Now, God have a mind of an inventor and the outcome he intended: "normal functioning of a pair to procreate". to whom did he say, "be fruitful and multiply"? At the beginning, one is to be a man and the other, a wife. Both were equal when he made them. He intended interacting with this pair, unlike the animals, hence he gave them a thinking faculty not to behave like the rest of the animals he place under their subjection. If the inventor gave them all this ability and started out with a pair, he has "pairing" in mind to achieve "marital" result. It is no longer pairing the moment you have "more than one of a pair", its a bastardization of purpose.

If you go about the things that happened in the bible as the standard for marriage other than what you have in the book of genesis, then all the "shades of marriage" that the present society frown at should be canonized: Abraham and Sarah- inbreeding. Lot and his daughters, the house of David, Isaac and Rebecca, Jacob and Laban. These folks enjoy their own choices, but in spite of the fact that they were "examples" in the scripture of the people God dealt with, they were imperfect lot. We cannot make the "imperfect lot to a standard" if we can just enact "a reasonable standard" even by the word of mouth.

You can't make the criteria of embarrassment the standard, you just have to take a standard as such.

I am atheist, by the way.

emmnprince:


I think the words: "sending them away" used in this discussion is misconstrued.

"Sending them away" in the context of this matter means the man is to sever sexual intimacy/relationship with them. He is to ensure no room is created for such relationship to continue after he is born again.

He is not to create an atmosphere or allow any room for intimacy and sexual relationship to take place. Temptation might easily come or in his moments of weakness and this might make him to have such relationship. Wisdom demands he make provision for them and their upkeep since they bore children for him.

Under the new covenant, the law of Christ, a born again or convert to Christ, a Christian man is to have only one wife, not two or three or more wives.

Before he is born again or converted and already married to more than one wife, the first wife among his wives he paid her dowry/bride price is his legally married wife. Others, whether he pays their dowry/bride price or not, aren't his "wives". He's "cohabiting" with them in the context of this matter when looked under the mirror of Christianity. No where in the Scriptures is it stated about a Christian man having more than one wife. No inference or apostolic approved example do we have on this matter.

After he is born again, he should stop having sexual affairs with them but he is to cater for their needs and the children they bore for him.


Matthew 19:5 says: “. . .‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 7:1—5 says:

Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

My dear, please stop all these!

Mpanyi:


Oga, he created them man and woman, not man and women.

Your position has been debunked time and time again

absoluteSuccess:


Very very powerful, this makes my day.

Following the example of Christ, as Christians, we are not even supposed to get married in the first place. Which will create a problem with the decree of procreation given in genesis. For this reason shall a man leaves his father and his mother and cling unto his wife, and the two shalt become one flesh. This won't be possible in a polygamy.

But, would polygamy profane God's will in this instance? The inspired writer has just given us God's unwavering standard, which does not annul another option we consider as polygamy. And directly or not, you can't start from two wives at a go. The first is the first and true wife, the next is your choice.

Then those who are coming into Christianity did have their lives before conversion, do they have to create a new problem for themselves in their home due to their new religion? That's what Paul addressed.

The Anglican communion, which bud forth from the Roman Catholic, favours monogamy. This also spread to us in Africa as their proselytes.

Christ gave the injunction that true love is to be between a man and his wife, and men should eschew adultery. He couldn't have said God intended polygamy from the original design. However, polygamy is not God's problem. Monogamy is the ideal marriage, if you can take the cup of polygamy, its left to you.

The first is not the ONE TRUE WIFE! all the wives are equally his wives! There is not evidence in the bible that God gave a 'standard', no such thing in the bible! The whole idea that god has a standard of marriage, is not just nonsense, but the personal opinion of those people who know nothing about the topic.

My dear, ''the two shall become one'' is absolutely present in polygamy! This is because there is a way the christian marriage is which you all do not understand!

the ''the two shall become one'' does not exclude polygamy because for God, the relationship between the man and each of his wives is absolutely personal. He is the husband of each of the wives, whole and entire, not partially!


In christian marriage, the man's marriage to all his wives is on individual bases. Just as your god is married to you, if you are a born again, and is also married to Pope Francis, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo, et al at the same time. In christian marriage, the man is the figure of God, while the woman is the figure of the church, the individual christian etc.

How do I know this?

LET ME SHOW YOU!

I will repeat what I quoted in that post again and let me let the independent seeker of truth be the better judge.
So, once again, What is my BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is a MIRROR of the marriage between god and his church?

1. God's instruction to Hosea:
Hosea was instructed by god to go and take a wife and let their relationship be a reflection of the relationship between god and his people Israel. Your bible says: "When the Lord first spoke to Israel through Hosea, he said to Hosea, 'Go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful, and your children will be just like her. In the same way my people have left me and become unfaithful.” Hosea 1 vs 2.

2. The Book of The Song of Solomon
The Book of the Song of Solomon is basically a book with two people: a man and a woman singing love songs to each other. Now even though it contains pornographic contents, It is still found among the canon of scriptures which you call the "word of god". contents like:

"take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts." Song of Solomon 1 vs 4 and 13.

"Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle

16 Awake, north wind,
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread everywhere.
Let my beloved come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits." Song of Solomon 4 vs 5 and 16

''Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
9 and your mouth like the best wine. Song of Solomon 7 vs 7-9 and so on.
The book of the song of Solomon is so pornographic, it is hardly read in church.

So, why is pornography found in the 'word' of a supposedly holy god?

The Jewish Theory
In Qabbalah, Jewish mysticism, the book of the Song of Songs is seen as a dialogue between god and Israel and that the aim of the book is not to pàss a sexual or erotic message. It is often said that the expression of love between the man and the woman is just a mirror of the love god (the man) has with Israel (the woman) (Loprieno, 2005, P107; Sara et al, 2007)

The Christian Theory
In much the same way too, the christian church did the same thing the Jews did with the Song of Solomon but this time instead of seeing the woman as Israel, the church sees itself, or the individual christian as the woman. So, its excuse for letting a pornographic content into the word of a 'holy' god, is that it could be seen as an allegorical representation of god and the church, or god and the individual christian where god is the man and the church or You @vdestro, is the woman (Alfred, 2003). The famous 3rd century christian, Origen, in his "Homilies on the song of song", aired the same idea. Origen, by the way, was heavily influenced by the teachings of Clement of Alexandria, a disciple of Peter, the one whom Jesus told to feed his sheep (Chapman,1908).

3. Ezekiel 16 vs 8-14 Good News Bible.
Here, it can clearly be seen that the relationship between god and Israel is likened to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. verse 8 of Ezekiel 16 says: "As I passed by again, I saw that the time had come for you to fall in love. I covered your naked body with my coat and promised to love you. Yes, I made a marriage covenant with you, and you became mine.” This is what the Sovereign LORD says.


4. Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.''

But what about the new testament? does it also indicate that the marriage between a man and a woman is a mirror of the relationship between god and his church or the individual christian?

Let me show you!

5. 2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

6. Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

7. Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

These verses and the many more I cannot give here due to time, prove beyond reasonable or christian doubt that the marriage between a man and a woman IS A MIRROR OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL, JESUS AND THE CHURCH, OR GOD/JESUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL. Whoever disagrees with me should present his position together with EVIDENCE, BIBLICAL OR OTHERWISE, and show that they are superior in revelation to the ones I have given here.


having proved that relationship between god and israel, jesus and the church, and god/jesus and the indivual soul/christian is the same thing as the marriage between a man and his wife, Can we now proceed to proving that just as god is the groom of you @vdestro, he can also be the groom of the dtruthspeaker, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, etc, all at the same time, a man can also be the groom of more than one wife at the same time.

First of all, in all of the places where the relationship between god and man is compared to the marriage between a man and a woman, god is the one who is ALWAYS PRESENTED AS THE MAN, while the individual or the church is the one that is always presented as the woman. I am not the one making this up, it is your bible and any other relevant source that is saying it. Therefore, do not direct your arguments at me, do it with your bible.

Paul was talking to the individual christians that make up the church in Corinth here when he said in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

The "you" Paul mentioned there, is refering to the individuals in the church of corinth. Do you, @vdestro, disagree with this too? Because god knows that this also means that a man can have more than one wife and that has not broken anything holy and divine in his sight, is why HE HIMSELF GAVE DAVID MORE THAN ONE WIFE. Or you would like to deny god himself gave david his wives? Here is the biblical prove:

Nathan said to David. “And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8 I gave you his kingdom and his wives

This has sufficiently answered your question. If you have an objection, you can present it and show that your proposition is superior in revelation to the ones I have given herein.

By the way, please do not fail to respond to those propositions of yours I pointed out.

I have given you the courtesy of responding to your demand of showing you how the bible disagrees with you; you should now give me the same courtesy I have given you, by giving evidence for your propositions 1 and 2. the evidence can come from sacred scriptures or sacred traditions, if you are a catholic, which I do not think you are seeing you used the expression "the law of..."

@Absolutesuccess. Please pardon me a little bit. I just lifted this response from different thread where they argued with me, like you are presenting now, that Jesus' statement that ''the two shall become one'', excludes polygamy. I found it necessary to lift it and paste it here to save my time and energy. Tjat is why you can see me mention some handles here.

References:
1. Chapman, Henry Palmer (1908). "Pope St. Clement I" . In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company.

2. Loprieno, Antonio (2005). "Searching for a common background: Egyptian love poetry and the Biblical Song of Songs". In Hagedorn, Anselm C. (ed.). Perspectives on the Song of Songs. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-017632-2

3. Japhet, Sara (2007). "Rashi's Commentary on the Song of Songs: The Revolution of Prashat and Its Aftermath" (PDF). Rasi: The Man and His Work: 199.

4. Norris, Richard Alfred (2003). The Song of Songs: Interpreted by Early Christian and Medieval Commentators. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2579-7.

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why are yoi quoting me without saying anything?

AuthorMan:


You are blatantly wrong on this one Righteousness.

What has the woman you want to send packing done wrong?

Was she caught in adultery?

Did she tell you she was fed up with the marriage?

So, your becoming Born Again is to make life miserable for someone who did no wrong. You want to send her away and send her kids away with her and make your innocent kids fatherless?
Even the prodigal son did not receive such treatment from his father. He was not sent away. So, why send innocent kids away with their mum?
And if you say you will retain the kids then, you are a Pharisee.
Because if the mother have become an abirmination then, what makes the kids innocent of the same guilt of their mother?
Have you no awareness you married her legally like you married the first wife legally?

Oga, point to a particular place in the Bible where such restitution was done.

You fall my hand o.


For your information, no other restitution supersedes the one Jesus Christ's blood has done. And other one is needed.

You were once a thief. You are now born again. How many restitution you wan do for fourty solid years in armed robbery?

You are once a ritualist and now born again. How are you going to refund the lives you've taken to do restitution. Does that mean you have to conjour the lives of the people back to life before you make heaven.
Tell how the ritualist go make restitution.


You guys are a funny lot.

Don't mind him my dear, the guy is operating under the influence of the foulest spirit that can be found in hell!

Righteousness2:

Having 2 , 3, 4 and so on in the name of marriage is adultery.
Only death is biblically permitted for a man or woman to remarry.

God made them Male and Female.
Not male and females or females and male.
GOD'S standard is One man one wife. Anything apart from that is adultery.
You cannot be in adultery and say you have repented. You are deceiving yourself.
What are you keeping the women for?
As your bed warmers or what ?
If Heaven matters to you, you will package them back to their parents.
Only your first legally married wife is biblically permitted. Any other thing is adultery.


Scripture references
Gen 1: 27
Matthew 19:4-9
Mark 10:6-12.
Luke 16:18
Matthew 5:32

You come and say these nonsense and then do mot have the courage and sound mind to stand and defend it to the later like the Apostles did when confronted. That goes to show that you are not operating under the holy spirit, bu that of the Devil!


The bible says : behokd I have not given you a spirit of fear, but of sound mind...(2 Tim 1:7)

ufotunang:
...you have not even answered my question yet

which question did you ask?

MEGAWATCH:



But the Bible also said that the second woman is not your wife?

No, it did not say that.

MEGAWATCH:



But the Bible also said that the second woman is not your wife?

where is ut in the bible?

PointZerom:


The same Oyakhilome that encourages masturbation.

He knew nothing about the principles of marriage.

You can't be in adultry claiming to be a child of God.

Put away extra wives.

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

DavidEsq:

On what do u base your opinion? The Bible of what?

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

ufotunang:
...so how is pastor Chris a good example to his church members that have married....a situation where pastor Chris and his former wife cannot settle their issues in their marriage and reconcile and forgive each other...how is pastor Chris and his wife a good example to those of his church members that are married and his role model

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

twilliamx:


You are right but the only snag is that he can't be a preacher on the pulpit

who can't be a preacher on the pulpit?

Babaibeji2020:

Chris Oyaki should keep quiet for he who goes in relate to equity should do so with clean hands. Let another god of man speak...not him!
An unmarried woman has no business being a marriage counselor,same for one who can't manage marriage giving advice pertaining marriage!

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

Image123:


Oyaks that his marriage did not work doesn't exactly have justifications to talk much about marriage. BTW, he asked that the person(s) should ask their pastor.

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

Clearly, no serious christain will have more than one wife or one husband. The clear and perfect will of God is male and female, not male and male, or female and female, or male and females, or males and female, or males and females. Any of these categories that become born again ought to do proper restitution.
Also, clearly, they cannot or should not be workers in church.
Asides the many problems that follow polygamy that your pastor trifled with as merely explaining to many people, what we can agree on is that it has nothing to do with eternal destination. In other words, you're not going to hell for polygamy. But that doesn't justify it or say you should not make amends if in the wrong. Even OT kings and priests were not supposed to practice polygamy, not to mention NT where every believer is supposed to be a king and priest in a sense, asides being deacons and bishops.
i guess your pastor would have taught the Samaritan woman not to leave her 6th husband, but explain to people that it was done before she believed. Like i said earlier, just leave these marriage things to Bible and godly preachers without failed marriages. He can focus on other things.

My dear, your point has been addressed here several times over, you need to reath through the entire thread, if you really care about the truth; and ofcourse, you should care about the truth; that's what you god wished for you: that you shall know the truth (John 8:32).

Mear23:
I believe you are a Christian, please support your argument with Bible verses

which arguement do you want me to suppirt with the bible?

emmnprince:


The first wife amongst his wives he paid dowry/bride price for and legally married to is his wife. Others are concubines. After he is born again, he should stop having sexual affairs with them but he is to cater for their needs and the children they bore for him.

He paid the bride price of his other wives as well! You think a man can marry another wife without paying her bride price? where does that happen in Africa and the middle east, at that time, or even now?

Others are not concubine, you Fool! Watch your mouth idiot! You are a mad man!

emmnprince:


Sending them away doesn't imply that he should stop sending them support—taking care of their needs. That's his responsibility he must fulfill; he shouldn't fail.

sending them away to where? Give me the name of the place, if you have one! you people don't even listen to yourselves when you talk!

And, are you not the ones who keep saying God hates divorce? And provide evidence to show that polygamy is wrong in the sight of God!

okito:
My thoughts and I stand corrected. Marrying 2 wives cos your culture and old religion permit it is okay. When you become a Christian, old things including polygamy which Christianity frowns at, have passed away and all things have become new so, you shouldn't continue to practise polygamy. I think you should restitute by letting go of the junior wife/wives. A classical example is the Founder of RCCG, Pa Akindayomi whose culture and old religion seemed to permit polygamy but once he became truly born again, he had to painfully restitute by letting go the junior wife and he asked her to take everything she wanted from the family properties.

Paul said: Each of you should remain as you were when you answred the call. if you are married, don't get divorced; if you were uncircumcised, then don't get circumcised; if you had more than one wife, don't divorce any! (1Cor 7:20).

twilliamx:

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

My dear, the reason Paul said so is not because he thinks polygamy for a Bishop is an abomination like you think but because of the work load it would be on the Bishop.

Bishops have great responsibilities to carryout within the church. This is what Oyedepo alluded to when he talked about putting in place a succession plan: that the work of God needs time and enegry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqViasDqhh4&pp=ygUXb3llZGVwbyBzdWNjZXNzaW9uIHBsYW4%3D

So, for Paul, since all he cared about was Opus Dei, he would rather you NOT BE MARRIED AT ALL SO THAT YOU ARE 100% DEDICATED TO IT (1Cor 7:26)

For him, a man who is married is ''oulled in two different direction!'' (1Cor 7: 33-34). So, out of respect for the family unit, he prescribed that for a man to be consecrated bishop, he should have only one wife.

Now, here is the interesting part:

The Paul you know (I am talking about the Paul I know, but the one you know) with how obsessed he was about Opus Dei, do you think if there is an man who has more than one wife, and is carrying his christian life, being very active in church, and fulfilling his responsibilities to his families very well, do you think thal Paul will oppose the consecration of the man to become Bishop?

I mean, we are talking about a Paul who expressed his obsession for Opus Dei when he said: ''I will be all thibgs to all people to win them over'' (1 Cor 9: 19-22). The mesaage there was: damn all else, as long as the job of soul winning is being done, Khalas (that's all!). He also said of all the apostles, I work the hardest...(1Cor 15:10); He said: who is Paul, who is Apollos and who is Paul? as long as the job is being done, that'a all that matters! (1Cor 3: 5-16). Is it the same Paul that said all these, that will have an objection to a chriatian who has more than one wife to be elected a bishop if he is a responsible father and husband to his wives, and whose christian virtues can be attested to, by the church?

Just as Paul said to the Corinthians that they are acting like unbelivers when they waste their time and effort, asking who is Paul and who is Apollos instead of asking if Opus Dei is being done (1Cor 3:4), So too will he tell you that you are acting like unbelievers if the question of whether or not a christian who is a responsible father to his children, and a good husband to his wives and still being a good and active christian in church, be a bishop.