Righteousness2:
Fake news..

Indians , Africans, philppines etc in very high numbers are queing to come to ISRAEL to replace the Palestines in Israeli farms.
Their numbers far exceeded what was needed in ISRAEL.

ISRAEL took off the palestines because investigation revealed many of them were involved directly and indirectly in tgw oct 7 massacre.

Oga, must you mind be as tattered as the that green apron you wear?

Sapasenator:


Stop wasting your time with individuals you are quoting. He is a lost case.

my dear, he is not a lost case. He is being saved gradually. The very fact he is still arguing here and also with the use of those emojis, shows he can see the points we have made here. You need to understand his psychology. He is on his way to coming out of his ignorance, an ignorance his pastors still have to be delivered from.

You can be rest assured that while disturbing us here on this forum and on these topics, he goes offline to goes to his pastor friends or people he thinks are more 'grounded' in the christian faith than he is, and asks their response to all the things we have taught him here about polygamy being of the christian God. He does this because he is impressed by the strength of our position and the convincing power of our arguement.

You can also be rest assured that the people he asks, have not given him an answer which he thinks stands up strongly against our position and arguments.

@Dtruthspeaker and his other friend are going through the same deconstruction as well.

and these too

and this too

And also:

Lets look at the different definitions of the word ''adultery'' shall we?

FayaBall:


Na lie bros, na you dey embarrass yourself o!

The embarrassment too much I gaz speak up ah!

We no talk, no mean say we no see how you fall yakata for ground dey repeat yourself again and again and again ah!

Come come back after how many days dey try save face, abeg the face wey small remain don pieces ha!

It's too terrible ooo!

That guy get time for you wella

All of these and still not able to answer thr simple quesyion @Westerhoffe put to you all: Show either through the bible, or through the engliah meaning of the word ''adultery'', that polygamy is adultery. You still cannot!

Covert1:
These guys are definitely Spetsnaz. They are not messing around. What options do we have in the event of war, a blitzkreig with more focus on the Army perhaps. Niger Republic lacks any credible Tank threat but one can bet the Russians may follow up on that. Right now I think Military Diplomacy should be aggressively employed by Nigeria and get the Russians not to deploy any system that alters the balance of power. While Niamey can offer the Russians Uranium and a foothold against the West in Africa they stand to lose access to Nigeria’s gas pipeline deals signed under former Russian President Medvedev seen at the time as a counter weight to the West’ energy supply. Following up Abuja may need to consider a Presidential rapprochement with Moscow and stop any further investment in the multi-billion dollar trans-Sahara rail line to Niger Republic. Right now this government is all over the place with no coherent foreign policy. General Tiani [a trained officer] and his junta understands what a credible threat is to his regime [which is Nigeria] and is leaving no stone unturned to ensure his survival. We are just playing catch up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc1hbF04Ido?si=adzwusL_n4ZmxLaS

I don't think the issue has got to this.

Bacteria8:


In other words, they traded one imperialist for another

not exactly.

I feel the Russians, unlike the French, won't want to dictate to them. But what does Russia get in turn in this partnership? Is it strategic location? or access to minerals? What mineral does Niger have that Russia does not have even in larger quantity? If Russia has nukes and nuclear energy, then it certainly does not need uranium from Niger.

Covert1:
While y’all chasing bandits in a rat race that never ends, Russia just arrived Niger Republic with Air Defence Systems and military instructors. T’is what happens when clow.ns who have no clue snatch, grab and run with power they know not what to do with except to loot the National Treasury in broad daylight. The APC is a scourge on Nigeria’s destiny. Only bad news. Assimi Goita’s junta should never have been allowed to happen, he precipitated this whole crisis from Mali to Burkina Faso, Guinea and now Niger Republic. Now an existential geopolitical threat exists right on Nigeria’s borders; a more dangerous foe not motorcycle riding bandits & maurauding terrorists with no air cover. Who knows what system its been set up, if it’s an S-300 / S-400 then you can forget Nigeria’s first strike deterrence stand-off capability. This is the heavy price you pay for an illegitimate government in Abuja.

I repeat y’all just wasting time while the world has left us behind. No justice, no humanity just keeping up appearances with grandiose noises.

https://p.dw.com/p/4eg2J

just 3 S-400s stationed at strategic points along our borders, and they effectively close Nigers air space to the NAF.

Covert1:
While y’all chasing bandits in a rat race that never ends, Russia has just arrived Niger Republic with Air Defence Systems and military instructors. T’is what happens when clow.ns who have no clue snatch, grab and run with power they know not what to do with except to loot the National Treasury in broad daylight. The APC is a scourge on Nigeria’s destiny. Only bad news. Assimi Goita’s junta should never have been allowed to happen, he precipitated this whole crisis from Mali to Burkina Faso, Guinea and now Niger Republic. Now an existential geopolitical threat now exists right on Nigeria’s borders; a more dangerous foe not motorcycle riding bandits & maurauding terrorists with no air cover. Who knows what system is been set up if it’s an S-300/ S-400 then you can forget Nigeria’s first strike deterrence stand-off capability. This is the heavy price you pay for an illegitimate government in Abuja.

I repeat y’all just wasting time while the world has left us behind. No justice, no humanity just keeping up appearances with grandiose noises.

https://p.dw.com/p/4eg2J

Unfortunately, it is air defense systems they are installing. I just heard it on the BBC.

If they are bringing in air defense systems, then one has to ask why air defense systems? Are they bringing them because they are anticipating a major power coming to attack their bases, or they are bringing the air defense systems to protect the regime?

The countries that have bases around Niger with a significantly better airforce than Niger are Algeria and Nigeria. Obviously, Niger faces no threat from Algeria as the Algerians won't be flying down to Niamey any time soon. We also have always had good relations with Niger. But I suspect the junta there feels we may change our mind and decide to insist that they go so in their estimation, they can hold off our soldiers on the ground but since they won't be able to come up with any thing in the air, they need outside help from the Russians. But this is still not plausible, I don't think.

But that question ''why air defense system?'' is a good one that needs to be answered

Goel:

Given the development parameters of SA, if SA would be US, Nigeria would be UK.

None of them in terms of politics can be called US or UK anyway. They don't have any influence in Africa like US has on globe. Nigeria & SA don't even have grip of their own regions like India has on its region.

How much of Nigeria's influence in ECOWAS and in Africa as a whole do you know?

GreenandGold:
Peace has been restored

😂😂😂😂peace has been restored

@All, I am wondering...what the difference is in the modus operandi of criminal organizationa and legitimate government security and intelligence services.

Veecruz:
I did not see this one. This uncule said



Yet he went on to say



See how twisted.

Was David married to Bersheba when he first slept with her which is what God punished? Was she not someone elses wife, you dunce!

Polygyny: when a man MARRIES more than one woman!

Ken4Christ:


You need to visit a psychiatrist. You are of your father the devil. You are lying to your teeth as though you don't understand my point just because you want to defend your position at all cost. I am done with you.

I am very happy that all those who only want to know the truth, can now see that people have to dance around the scripture, manipulate and misinterpret facts, in order to be able to make a case, a case that is false by the way, that polygamy is not of god. In order words, to put forward a case that polygamy is not of god, they have to become immoral and do all degerate things like telling blatant lies, etc. That tells you so much about the position they are trying to defend.

But for those of us who affirm the truth that polygamy is of God, we do not dance around the facts, neither do we misinterpret scripture to back up that claim.

benji93:
In that instance, i was referring to the many wives Solomon had(Not just more than one). David would be the more comparable example, but he had fewer wives. While troubles can emerge from monogamous marriages too, it doesn't mean monogamy was the cause. We certainly are exposed to the consequences of a host of other decisions, other than the type of marriage we choose or were born into. An example is the case of Jacob, Leah, and Rachel, and the strife that ensued. If you replace every polygamous marriage in the bible with a monogamous one hypothetically you would be eliminating certain elements that could stir up trouble. If a second wife had not come into the picture for Jacob, the risk of a potential cause of strife. Not that strife amongst children cannot happen even in monogamous relationships, but the chances go up with polygamy.

Besides I wasn't even arguing that Polygamy is a sin. I was only pointing out that the guy I mentioned chose a verse that could be ambiguous at least superficially, and restricted to kings, whereas there are other verses in which it seems God permitted it even for the common man that could afford it.

I know you were not arguing it is a sin. I am sorry for responding the way I did. I only wanted to give us reasons why we should not be quick to bring up the idea of oh, polygamy is more problematic than monogamy. its just that I expressed my thoughts in a wrong way. Doing that would try to do damage to our arguement that polygamy is on all count equal with monogamy.

there are challenges in monogamy and we see that everywhere and every day, but no body would say because of that, monogamy is wrong. I know you are not arguing against polygamy, but there are those who would take that idea to mean polygamy is wrong. So, I prefer we just leave it out.

Moreover, the issue the other children of Jacob had with Joseph is not because Joseph was born of a different mother, but because of how his father treated him relative to them. The bible says: ''When his brothers saw that their father loved Joseph more than he loved them, they hated their brother [/b]so much that they would not speak to him in a friendly manner.'' (Gen 37:4). Also, take note that the other brothers who were united in their hatred for Joseph were children of different mothers! This is a shocking fact to those who are so quick to point to the story of Joseph and present it like whatever they had was due to the fact their father had more than one wife! Also, take note that the ones who hated joseph did not hate Benjamin who was born of Joseph's mother but even protected him! Speaking of Benjamin, Judah said: ''What is more, [b]I pledged my life to my father for the boy. I told him that if I did not bring the boy back to him, I would bear the blame all my life.'' (Gen 44 vs 32). Another shocking fact!

The last shocking fact I would like to point out to those who think Joseph's story is an example of how polygamy is not good, and there are so many of them who think this way including their pastors and priests. They do not know the DETAILS OF THIER OWN SCRIPTURES! So, the last one I would like to point out here is that not all his brothers hated him. The bible says: Reuben heard them and tried to save Joseph. “Let's not kill him,” he said. ''Just throw him into this well in the wilderness, but don't hurt him.” He said this, planning to save him from them and send him back to his father.(Gen 37: 21-22). When he found out they had sold him to some traders, the bible said ''HE TORE HIS CLOTHES IN SORROW''. So, in a way, we can say that Joseph's story is a story of how love exists in among the children of different mothers in polygamous homes! This is a shocking fact to people who claim the joseph story is a story of how the polygamy is wrong.

But I would like to thank you for your bold stands putting these people aright in their own faith. kudos to you!

Maximus692:


Don't worry there's nothing wrong with both whether polygamy or polyandry after all God never condemned any!

does it matter to you at all the mind of god concerning things?

paxonel:
dont hype yourself, you can't possibly be right

Obviously, you are a foreigner who knows nothing about Africa or 9ja,what can you possibly argue?
that's why i smiled and decline responding when i noticed this.

The Joyce Mayer case you mentioned is just one out a million.

lets see if we have 2 in a million, 3 in a million to 1 million in a million in monogamies.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-67291093

https://apnews.com/article/austria-rape-incest-father-daughter-747925e89108567623e07e72cfa357ec

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/father-arrested-for-raping-impregnating-minor-girls-9097227/

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/bihar-man-rapes-two-minor-daughters-for-a-decade-on-advice-of-an-tantrik-to-have-a-son/articleshow/103687918.cms

https://punchng.com/father-rapes-18-year-old-daughter-in-shop/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4121114/Mother-started-having-sex-son-12-came-bed-sick-feel-important-special-hitting-puberty.html

https://www.pulse.ng/gist/pop-culture/shocking-meet-mother-who-has-sex-with-15-yr-old-son-shares-a-baby-with-him/1s28xmw

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/sex/news/a45861/mother-arrested-having-sex-with-son/

https://people.com/health/when-a-child-sexually-abuses-a-sibling-a-mothers-story/

And polygamy is not one of the reasons mentioned here responsible for filial sexual abuse.

https://www.siblingsexualtrauma.com/whydotheydoit

paxonel:
Meanwhile, thousands of polygamous brought-up children especially in Africa are continually faced with lack of fortune and opportunities some of which are depressed,confined and conceded into a perpetual substandard living due to competition for parental attention they had experienced while growing up as children in a polygamous setting.
So, polygamy is nothing to write home about, compared to one man one wife blessed unions that have ensured a better upbringing of children and a better society at the long run

Hogwash!

benji93:
Actually, most scholars reasonably interpret this to mean that, do not have several wives. It doesn't include a few. Some translations do not use 'multiply', they use 'do not take many wives' instead. This is more specific to Kings, and we do see the result of marrying many wives in the case of Solomon. Meanwhile, God seemed to permit it in Exodus 21 vs 10, for the common man. I am assuming you knew this but ignored it.

Both for ''common men'' and for Kings, it is lawful and an honourble thing to have more than one wife.

You said you ''saw the effect of having more than one wife in the case of Solomon''. The question I ask is that: what effect does polygamy have in the life of David and Gideon? Also, can we have see the fact Cain killed Abel as the effect of monogamy too? What about Jacob and Essau? is what happened between them the impact of monogamy?

Westerhoffe:



Where in what verses/verse in the Bible did GOD say taking more than one wife is adultery? That's all I asked you but to avoid answering, since you cannot find any because GOD never said so, you resorted to name-calling! "Devil, Satan, Muslim, bla bla bla."

Just provide one only, you can't, having realized I've exposed your ignorance to the world and to you.

Give me just one verse where GOD said what you claimed.
Or do you think I'm a sheeple anyone can just lie to and programme the way you were programmed?
To believe all what your pastors say without checking if they're saying the truth or not?
I'm not that kind of a person!

GIVE ME JUST ONE VERSE WHERE GOD SAID DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE WIFE FOR IT IS ADULTERY.

Stop trying to cover up your lies and ignorance with laughs and emojis.

On this topic on this thread, you're in for a long ride.

Also, the story of David and Bethsheba shows that polygamy IS NOT ADULTERY.

Adultery: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than that person's current spouse or partner
source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adultery

What David did with Bethsheba, was adultery because according to the definition of adultery given above from the marian dictionary, David was a married man, and Bethsheba was NOT HIS WIFE AT THE TIME HE TOOK HER.

Polygamy on the other hand is defined thus: the fact or custom of being married to more than one person at the same time
source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/polygamy

Since David was not married to Bethsheba, we can then conclude that their relationship WAS NOT POLYGAMY and anyone WHO TRIES TO DESCRIBE IT AS SUCH, is only trying to give a dog a bad name so as to hang it. In other words, the person is not being honest. Dishonesty is not a virtue, and should not be found among born agains, those who are born of God. Bible says: liars are of their father, the devil! (john 8:44).

The very fact God was the one who gave David his wives thereby giving him a polygamous home, and blessed him with children from those women, but punished David when he took Bethsheba, means that there is a difference between polygamy and adultery.

Will God give what he considers a sin? Is God partial? Why would he bless David's polygamous home and punish him when he actually committed a sin when he took someone else' wife? Is God partial? Bible says God IS NOT partial! (Acts 10:34; Col 3:25).

It is unfortunate that you and I have to be explaining and talking about this to these people!

Veecruz:
Deuteronomy 17:17, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away::

This proves that all who say God approves polygamy and does not condemn it are Liars and Devils and children of Satan!

Here is the full scripture and its heading is: Instructions Concerning A King

Deuteronomy 17
14 “After you have taken possession of the land that the Lord your God is going to give you and have settled there, then you will decide you need a king like all the nations round you.
15 Make sure that the man you choose to be king is the one whom the Lord has chosen. He must be one of your own people; do not make a foreigner your king.
16 The king is not to have a large number of horses for his army, and he is not to send people to Egypt to buy horses, because the Lord has said that his people are never to return there.
17 The king is not to have many wives, because this would make him turn away from the Lord; and he is not to make himself rich with silver and gold.

So, it is CLEAR that this instruction is given to A KING, not to the everyday Israelite!

David and many of the other kings and judges all had more than one wife, yet, did not turn away from the lord. Even monogamies can make you turn away from the lord as well. Delilah turned Samson away from the lord.

Also, verse 16 says the king should not have many horses or that he should not go to Egypt to buy horses. What do you say to that? It also says you should not make money. Whay do you say?

paxonel:

OK

no, no stay there dey shine teeth for me. answer na! you think say you don double cross me, e surprise you say i get many bullets for my arsenal.

The fact I can put down all your arguements shows that I am the one right in this issue, not you. But I understand you all: You have been taught this for long and you did not bother to look at this yourselves so when someone comes up with it, you are out off guard. You, the christian, who is suppose to be standing on the solid rock, according to your teachings, and that you are the one who should come out on top in discussions like this, is the one falling to me. Thr fact you fall, means I am the one who is right.

paxonel:
sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal
take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

Also, I just found out that Joyce Meyer suffered incest. She said in the family, that was the culture. And that is monogamy!

https://mustardseedbudget./2017/06/10/joyce-meyer-overcame-rape/

paxonel:

OK

You actually prayed hard that I did not see that, and bring it up, didn't you?

At every point, I counter you all very well. If you are the one on the side of truth, I would not have been able POWERFULLY counter you like i do at every turn.

paxonel:
sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal
take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

These two are asking you what d hell you are saying again...👇🏻

paxonel:
sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal
take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

And I think monogamy in the East is the reason for all the ritual killing, baby factorism, drugs and 419s, can you dig that?

Veecruz:


Every statement is a personal opinion, even what you have just said, so your point is null.

mine is not just an opinion, it is an opinion BASED ON FACTS!

Maximus692:


Whatever you mean with this is your personal opinion!

I am glad you saw that too.

Veecruz:


Now we see devil calling adultery, holy!

In second Samuel, God was quoted as saying I gave you more wives, and if that was not enough, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU MORE. Are you saying God does doubke standards? Are you saying god indulges in iniquity? I know you really wish that passage is not in the bible. If you had the power, you would have removed it completely from the bible, I know your likes abd what you are capable of.

Maximus692:


Your daughter brought a young man to you so that you can assist him to become financially strong in order to take care of her and her children to be born so you did everything within your capability to assist the young man just because he's the one your daughter chooses to marry.

If the same man now your son in-law comes to you for advice on polygamy what will you tell him, to go ahead or discard the idea?

If his wife agrees, yes! Or have you forgotten that men are the ones who usually do not have any problem when it comes to their daughter's marriage?

Veecruz:


Off point! We are talking about the sin of multiplying wives and not about the sin of politicians and pastors inriching themselves.Goal post changer

or more accurately put ''the sin of saying God is against the holy and praise-worthy insitution called polygamy''.