Dtruthspeaker:


Isn't immorality, no ust is and cheating a problem?

Non of that describes polygamy

Dtruthspeaker:


This is fraudulent. Accepting A call is not the same as "'Calling".

care to elaborate?

MaxInDHouse:
According to Christ the first woman is the wife of your youth any other woman that comes in is an intruder whether she has babies or not so when you become a Christian you must stop sleeping with any other woman except the wife of your youth which is your first wife!

In Christianity return everything we have stolen the other women are stolen since your first wife is still alive!

Also, Paul vehemently disagrees with you that you should divorce any of your wives when you became born again.

1Cor 7 vs 20
''Each of you SHOULD REMAIN AS YOU WERE WHEN YOU ACCEPTED GOD'S CALL. IF YOU ARE A SLAVE REMAIN A SLAVE, IF YOU ARE UNCIRCUMCISED, REMAIN UNCIRCUMSIZED, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE, MAINTAIN IT THAT WAY''

The in Galatians 1 vs 8-12, he said: if anyone teaches you anything different (like you have believed many of your ignorant pastors tell you to divorce one wife), let him be accursed!

@Paxonel,

@DTruthSeeker calls this response of mine fraudulent. What do you think?

MaxInDHouse:


Please mention one polygamist Christian in the Bible!

Well, if Paul told Timothy in one of his letters to him that a bishop should be the husband of one wife, then it is because there were homes among the early christians communities that were polygamous.

At this point, you may say ''aha, if polygamy were christian, why would Paul advice that a bishop be the husband of onl bone wife?''

Well, to that, I will answer that the reason Paul said so is because he thinks the work of God is something stressfull that needs time and energy. He did not mean to say that polygamy is anathema to the christian god! That one needs time and energy, is something Oyedepo also alluded to when he talked about putting in place a succession plan, that the work needs energy and time to carry out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jlBAjl_48&t=430s&pp=ygUXb3llZGVwbyBzdWNjZXNzaW9uIHBsYW4%3D

If Paul did not mean it the way I just explained, he would have made a requirement for all the believers, but no, he specifically mentioned Bishops; bishops have huge responsibilities in the church! Oh, what can make a bishop ritually unclean and what can make the ordinary christian unclean, are two different things? While the bishop and the laity have different roles to play, they are individual souls in the faith such that what is sinful if one does it, will be sinful as well if the other does it.

So, when Paul said that, he was only respecting the family unit and does not want to over burden it. He made this very clear in Corinthians when he said: ''...he who marries will have so much troubles in this life and he would rather spare you theese troubles'' 1 Cor 7:28. In verse 31 and 32, he explained that a married man is distracted by the cares of life (echoing the what I told you about earlier when I said Paul gave Timothy that instruction not because he thinks polygamy is wrong, but because he did not want to over burden the man). He also said that an unmarried man concerns himself with the things of the lord. So for Paul, he would rather you are not even married at all, so that you can dedicate all your time to the work; but if you must marry and also do temge heavy work of a bishop, then you shoul carry the minimum marital reaponsibility of monogamy. Read the whole of 1 Cor chapter 7 for context.


Again to answer your question, for Paul to twlk that to Timothy, it shows among the members of his church, were polygamous homes.

Negroid001:


You've strayed from the main topic. I said a divorced pastor shouldn't be giving marital advice.

No, a divorced pastor SHOULD give marriage advice. You know why?

Because the counsel you recieve from your ordained ministers in their capacity as priests or prophets, has got nothing to do with their sanctity as individuals (that is if at all getting a divorce can make anyone unclean in the sight of the lord), but has everything to do with god's promise to you that he will be there for you in your time of need. The bible says even if you are unfaithful, he will always be faithful because who he is, is not dependent on.who you are. 2 Tim 2:13. He also told the ministers not to worry about what to say when you, Negroid001, goes to them to seek advice on issues. He said whatever they will say will be given to them because what they will speak will not be their own words, but the spirit of god speaking through them. Matt 10:19-20.

MaxInDHouse:
According to Christ the first woman is the wife of your youth any other woman that comes in is an intruder whether she has babies or not so when you become a Christian you must stop sleeping with any other woman except the wife of your youth which is your first wife!

In Christianity return everything we have stolen the other women are stolen since your first wife is still alive!

There no where christ said the first woman is the only and true wife. And no, the second or anyother wife is mot an 'intruder'! It is important what you believe about a thing, is in line with the mind of your God concerning that thing; that is why in Acts of Apostles 10, god told Peter, do not call unclean what I have made clean! You are suppose to be like God himself, when it comes your perspective on things, afterall, you are partakers of devine nature 2 Peter 1:4. If you are not like your god in your perspective of things, then you will be sinning!

As far as God is concerned and can be seen in the bible, Polygamy is not only right for the christian, God also blesses it!

He told David ''I gave you your master's wives unto your bosom...'' 2 sam 23 vs 8.

To show to you he blesses polygamy, the son of Rachel, was the one who brought Jacob succur at the time of trouble! Joseph solution to the famine Jacob and his entire famiky would have suffered.

and juat incase you feel Rachel was suppose to be the first wife since Jacob originally intendes to marry her over Leah, well, I will let you know that God also BLESSED Leah's marriage to Jacob by choosing her offspring to be the line through which Jeaus was going to be descended. The Bible says in Luke ''Blessed is the womb that bore you, the breast that suckled you...'' Luke 11: 27-28

Negroid001:


Your typo is incoherent. Try structuring your words well. Too lengthy, go straight to the point. Make it short.

Why do you have the habit of throwing words around, words whose meaning you do not know!

What is incoherent about what I wrote?

I started by giving a definition some of thw strong terms you used to describe the response of mine you quoted originally, and then proceeded to ask you to SHOW US how those words you chose describe my r
post.

From there, I also asked you to show us how a second wife can ruin you. Lacking any cogent counter response, you resorted to ad hominems.

also, I find it unfortunate that the one who seeks understanding is finding it hard to go through a robust response when it is provided him. C'mon, don't be lazy; no matter how large it is. The bible says ''Study to show yourself approved; a workman...rightly dividing the word of faith.

Negroid001:


Keep on twisting the bible to quote what isn't there. If you like listen to the advice of the fake prophet telling you not to divorce someone that will ruin you. Wetin do am wey him wife leave am.

You've not given a valid explanation. You're just quoting nonsense.

Ok, so lets define some of the strong terms you used to describe my response to you.

To twist: to change information so that it gives the message you want it to give, especially in a way that is dishonest

Also,
Nonsense: spoken or written words that have no meaning or make no sense.

So, point to what I have said, and show to the world how it is a 'twisting' of the bible, or how it is 'nonsense'!

Show, if you can, how a second wife can ruin anyone? If anything, according to the bible, the son of a second wife, Rachel, is the reason why Jacob and his entire family got saved at the time of famine and distress.

Incase you feel oh ''Rachel was the 'original' wife and that's why her son was the one who saved Jacob at his point if need'', well, let me tell you that the son of Leah, the first wife, Judah, was not just the lineage Jesus came from, but he is also the root word for which the people of Israel and their religion became known: Judaism, Jew!

The fact that Jesus came through leah, means that Jacob's marriage to Leah was blessed ny God! Bible says in Luke: ''blessed is the womb that bore you, the breast that suckled you...'' By saying so, the bible is basically saying: Jesus' lineage is blessed, including his paternal side which goes up to Leah, the first wife of Jacob!
@DTruthSeeker @Donnie @Joagbaje

Negroid001:


You too think.
Preachers should lead by example.
Someone with a failed marriage shouldn't be giving marital advice.

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

Negroid001:


Christians are not meant to divorce except on grounds of infidelity.
So Chris cheated on Anita, hmmmmnnn. I see.

Person wey him wife leave am dey advise another man make e no leave him wife.
Blind dey lead blind.

There is no evidence he cheated on Anita. Also, he was not accused of infidelity.

But isn't it ironic that christians, a people who believe divorce is anathema, should now advocate that a man divorces any of his wives because he became 'born again'? #Think

Negroid001:
Pastor Chris was not born again when he sent his own wife away.

Oooh, i see...

he never sent his wife away, and there is evidence that the wife filed for divorce, not him.

Dtruthspeaker:


You said "sending anyone away woild create a social problem"

ok

but polygamy is not a problem either by bible/god standard or social standard.

Dtruthspeaker:


Exactly! Meanwhile, they are the ones who have created the problem.



You mean churchgoers. Christians know the mind of God.

And for most churchgoers, they speak from their mad sin fuelled position because the Truth is that they wanted 700 wives and 300 siderunbbish but because, they cannot they are craftily trying to stop others who can acquire them from having them so that they are not jelous and full of envy.

And for the remainder, they just do not care to know God and are even too lazy to try, so they.take the shortcut.

@bolded, who created which problem?

Dtruthspeaker:


He is correct here..They are already in it whether they keep them or ssnd them away.

Not to mention that sending anyone away woild create a social problem. Why are christians who.hold this idiotic opinion, an opinion WHICH IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE CHRISTIAN GOD, hell-bent on giving christianity a bad name?

Westerhoffe:
I have write up on this topic.

care to share?

Ance4Liverpool:
Oyahkilome should keep quiet, where is his own wife?

That'a not the issue at hand. The issue is that it is not only wrong, but ungodly to put aside any of your wives because you claim you are now born again.

The bible never said that, christians ahould aeriously ask themselves where they got that idea from that a man should out aside one of his wives if he become born again.

Is it not a sin to do what God has not tod you to do? why christians accept to teach that falsehood is what is beyond me.

If you disagree with Oyakhilome, then put forward your arguement and show that they are superior to his. That is fair enough, right?

When asked by someone im.South Africa if he should send any of his wives away, because he is now born again, Oyakhilome said no, he should not do that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SAL-4G_cwY&t=3s

TempUser:


Dey play. You must be an apologist of that religion or region to be taking panadon on another man's head ache. Go and look into the facts of the matter with a clear and open mind, then come back and let me know where you're puzzled.

When it hapoened in SA, the world did not keep quiet.

When it happened with George Floyd, the world did not keep quiet. I remember that even in the premier league, they all had to kneel on one knee all through the season and a Nobel Prize was awarded to the global BLM movement.

Einstein said if evil exists, then it is because tge good people are doing nothing about it.

You knowing the truth that the Likud and the Jewish Home Party and their likes in Israeli government are the true enemies of not just the Palestinians, but also Israelis as well because they make all Hebrews around the world to look bad; you knowing this fact, is a good thing because it weakens the moral of the demons in Israeli leadership, not the people, but the leadership.

Praise be to God we are wise people and can discern good people from bad people. We know that Hebrew people are like everyone else: good, kind and compasionate. They are not like Netanyahu and his cohorts who are so envious of Hitler, they are hell-bent on out doing him on the number of people to kill!

TempUser:

For all I know, Israel did not look for anyone's trouble. By the way, we are both spectators in this. Why are you sweating it?

Its good you said for all you know.

So, let me tell you what you do not know

The land was shared into 2: one for the Hebrews, the other for the Arabs.

But what happened later on?

Israel started encroaching into Palestinian lands and displacing the people, imprisoning their men without trial and sometimes kilking them extrajudicially.

Israel encroaches into the land and build their own settlements there in the fantasy that the people will be subjugated and broken to not be able to fight back but instead, just leave the entire historic Palestine.

Here are some maps for you to see.

First of all, you may want to see this website
https://remix.aljazeera.com/aje/PalestineRemix/phone/maps_main.html

The first picture below is the map of Palestine before the British decided to give the Hebrews a state in that land.

The second picture shows Hebrew settlement following their persecution in Europe.

The third picture is that of the partitioning done by the UN. The UN seeing the two people cannot live together in one soverign state, decided to divide the land into 2 with the Hebrews keeping slightly larger portion.

The fourth picture is what the place looks like today. The Dark Green being what areas Israel has taken, and what is left for the resillient Palestinians.

Which are more stealthy than the SU-57?

bidexiii:



For me we still need more assets; especially male UAV, long endurance UAV/spy UAV, transport & logistic aircraft both for logistics/transport for fixes wings and rotary aircraft.

Not e need more fighter aircrafts for power projection; probably the JF thunder block lll and in the nearest future su 75s/Su 35s or better still go for a stealthier aircraft.

Jayhome24:
Wait oo wetin come concern South Africa with Isreali and Hamas matter

So the Xenophobism that have eaten deep into their heart not enough for South Africa to be busy about?

So hunger, failure, war, famine etc hitting Africa countries not important for South Africa but Isreali and Hzmas matter in far Middle-East ba?

Dem neva threaten you, idiot.

South Africa has done more than anyother nation has done for the whole of Africa.

After apartheid ended, South Africa threw open its doors and welcomed africans from all over to cone to the country and seek a better life.

They are one of the largest home to rwfugees fleeing war.

The poverty in Africa cannot end if african countries do not trade with each other. South Africa has led the way in this regard by inveating massively in many countries around the continent! With multichoice, they were able to sell Africa's story to the whole world. The likes of Genevive, Omotola, Ramsey Noah et al, woukd not have been a house hold name all over.

With their superior corporate practices and experience doing capitalism, they have been able to become a model to and have helped other africans become able to do business using the best practices and succeed at them. Even in the same industry, they prove more effective, mire innovative, and more profitable than companies from elsewhere around the continent.

nairalanda1:


No, hamas is just as bad, and just as evil.

At the end, everyone must negotiate a peace. Or more innocent people on both sides will die for nothing

The ine who refuses to be intimidated in the face of a larger power is the one demonstrating character therefore, is the good guy.

Customised3:
That is why it is good to mind your business

Words from the Coward general of the republic of cowards!

When there was injustice in apartheid south Africa, tge whoke world dis not ''mind their buainess''.

When it happened in '30 and '40s Europe to the Jews, the whole world did not ''mind their business''

I hope that when someone sits on your head, comes into your house and tries to evict you, steal you properties, rape your wife, sell your son into slavery, and take your daughter as a sex slave, the whoke world will mind its business!

TempUser:
Máke them no provoke Israel 🇮🇱 Sha o cos those ones no dey forgive

Which Israel are youbtalking about?

Hope it is not the same one that is finding it hard with a nob state actor, Hamas and Hesbollah?

Make them try any shit there first and see if the Israeli myth no get shattered knce and for all!

Israel is so good but cannot even uses a common google translate to know that what's in the tunnel walls of Hamas is nothing but just a calendar

olibeans:
Mossad should go to work and take out these black pigs that don't know their left from their right.

You think the Republic of South Afeica is some back water state?

Can't you seee they outperform your shithole Nigeria in all important metrics?

You think SA is some backwater state in the Middle east! or other non state actors like Hamas and Hesbollah.

Let ne remind you:
This is a state that buikt its own nuclear weapon.

This is a state that has a well educated population and a strong defence industry Their weapons are so good, even the US buys from them sometimes.

This is a country whose annual budget dwarfs Israels and can outdo Israel in areas where it is important to bribe people to betray secrets. This is a coubtry that is a key member in all influential multilateral organizations around the world and can put its extensive connections to work when need be.

TempUser:

What law permits you to enter another man's country for a killing spree?
What law permits you to enter same country again to exploit a ceasefire?
What law permits you to have a political party with a terrorist sect?
What law permits you to not surrender terrorists?
What law permits building tunnels under the city thereby using occupants as a cover?
What law permits not releasing Israeli hostages?
What law permits not meeting up with Israeli ceasefire requirements?

If you pray for the rain, be ready to cope with the mud

The law that permits sone immigrants to not only come into your land, but try to displace you from it!

The law that allows Israel to take Palestinian lands and convert it into Hebrew settlements

The law that allows Israel to go into the house of Palestinians at night and snatch fathers from their families, and rape the women in their sleep.

The law that allows Israel to take innocent Palestinians prisoners and keep them for decades without trial and killing them extrajudicially.

The law that allows them to do all these and even ask for more!

Hotice085:


I am not suprise you guys lack negotiation skills you are only good in using cutlasses and drinking local gin

Will you stop your ignorant attack on South Africa! Just stoo it already!

nairalanda1:



Okay, just know that what both Israel and the Palestinians are doing to each other is evil.

There is no good side here....and yes, Hamas is despicably evil. But bombing innocent civilians....of any side, no.

You can support Israel without supporting the bombing of evil civilians. If you cannot see that, then you have become like Hamas...seeing everyone on the Israeli side as evil.

Good morning

There is a good side, and that side is Hamas!
They, together with South Africa, are the only brave peopke left in the world of cowards.

sonofsteven:


They are trying to win an election for one human right organization like that, so they are trying to make it look like human rights are observed or put in consideration first

Na African turn to head the organization, and South Africa dey try very much to clinch it reason all these paparazzi

SA is the only brave countrybin a world of cowards. They are in the right side of history, a path you have shamelessly chosen to eschew.

Deziwealth:
As you guys have threatened our goal keeper, receive the same treatment also. Xenophobic nation

This has got nothing to do with goal keeper. Stop being paranoid!

ValCon888:
I love that South Africa is trying to be politically relevant on the international stage, but they need to look inwards first before shaking their small nyash outside.

They struggle with Xenophobia, HIV is off the roof, and the typical South African man is inherently lazy.

Let's not even talk about crime. I've lived in SA, and that country is the closest thing to playing Grand Theft Auto in real life.

Out of the 10 Most Dangerous Cities in Africa, 7 of them are in South Africa.

South Africa has not been ''trying to be politically relevant. They are a member of BRICS for crying out loud!

Zonefree:
There's no much difference between South Africa as a nation and Tonto Dike. They're clout chasers!

Says a boy born yesterday. Run along and put on your pampas! You know nothing about history