bukatyne:


Great men in the Bible stole, killed and disobeyed God.

Even great women in the Bible were prostitutes, slept with their father in-laws and did all sorts.

I hope you follow their foot steps.

The way some of you think, sometimes, I just wonder where you got your minds from!

HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU COMPARE POLUGAMY TO STEALING, KILLING, ETC? Stealing and killing hurt other people! And show me which woman considered to be great by the bible was a 'sex worker' (not like I see the adult industry as a bad thing), slept with her father in-law and ''did all sorts''.
I dare you to point it out to me now, if you can!

internationalman:
Since the debate has already been settled I worry no more about whatever or whichever records Ronaldo sets or breaks.

Hell, I can even join you in praising him. From now on I'm going to be helping you in creating threads for him..

Us messi fans now sleep with both eyes closed and with peace of mind and wake up feeling fulfilled.

Had Ronaldo won the world cup only then you would understand how we Messi fans feel these days. Nothing splendid Ronaldo does bothers us any more. We have grown to like him even more now..

Kudos Ronaldo. History will remember you.

So, you agree you all were only being hateful and jealous of Ronaldo all these years you castigated him and placed him behind every other average player in the history of the game?

Also, what about the F-18 and the F-15? It is not just the F16 I am interested in being compared to the SU30.

Can the war game between the Indian Airforce and the US airforce in which the SU-30 performed better than the F-15 be used to judge how a real war would go down between the two fighters?

Lurker4Long:

why the laugh?

Flanker:


Well as i said before , iraq vs a laaarge coalition of 38 countries , NATO + several neighboring countries, + un embargo of 13 years before . You can't judge how the iraki's air force and its mig29A performed when you have AWACS , satelit intel , modern radars, hudge armada of jets , steath , Tomahawk that detroyed all airports in the first hours ect ....



For second part , algerian mig 29S are used as second line fighters, with the sukhoi 30 MKA , Mig 35 and (the futur sukhoi 35 ) . In the region neighboors have in their second line fighters in service. F5 and mirage F1 for morocco , mirage 2000 for france , and the Mig 29S have an advantage against this jets , specially in air defense with the help of ground radars , air defense systems .

So nowdays its limited against modern jets , but in any air force you will find first line , second line equipments . Some evn operate nowdays even the Mig 21 and its variants for exemple

In your HONEST assessment, how would you compare the F15, 16 and 18s with the SU-30MKI and other variants? I have found out the hard way that quora is not the best place to ask this kind of question. What you hear there is complete nonsense! They even rate the F-16s above the SU57.

Flanker:
Mig 29 , Mi 26

Many defsec experts do not give the Mig29 so much credit mainly due to how it performed against the F16s and F15s in the Iraq war at the turn of the 90s. What do you think is the capability of the Mig 29? Is it a platform to be proud of? Don't you think your airforce in Algeria should try to retire it since it does not have a reputation for winning wars?

Bluebrain101:


Peace on you.. Meanwhile if you feel you're a nemesis like Daddy freeze why not start your own thread insulting pastors, who knows it might go viral and you will achieve what you want.

downvoted

The worst election in Nigeria's history is the 2003 election. Anyone who is old enough and saw it, would agree.

Bluebrain101:


Peace on you

as if you are a peaceful man. Shame on to you and your demon pastor, eneche. He thinks he is unparalleled when it comes to insulting people and calling them demons. Now that through you he has met his nemesis in me and Daddy Freeze, he has become as meek as a mouse.

You want me to call Daddy Freeze for him?

Bluebrain101:


Still repeating the question again, you call Pastor Paul Eneche an IDIOT?

He is a demon, operating under a very decietful and hateful demon! I bind and cast that demon of decption out of the monkey into the abyss where it remains forever!

Bluebrain101:


You call Pastor Paul Eneche an Idiot??

And?
who is he? Does he not call people all sort of names?

Joagbaje:


All the conspiracies are true. Satan has b33n long in this to create a Hybrid generation, human cloning etc. There is a book I will admonish you read about the race of giants that once flooded the earth Title BEYOND FLESH AND BLOOD. authored by minister Dante forston

You also think the world will come to an end either in 4 years, or 6 years or will mot exceed 10 years? You believe god also gave Peter Obi a 5G wings to fly?

FreedomfromtheT:
I seriously doubt if you are a northern Christian. If at all you are, you are likely among the about 20% Christian voters who are voting for either Atiku, Kwankwaso or Tinubu and you are entitled to your choice.
Peter Obi is getting about 15% Muslim votes apart from the about 80% Christian voters that will vote the former Anambra state governor.
You are so funny Mr. 'northern Christian'. If no northern Christian is competent to become Tinubu's vice, how can they be competent to vote for his Muslim/Muslim ticket?
Please start getting used to calling Peter Obi your president.
Thank you.

Peter Obi will lose Benue hands down! He will not even get up to 1% of the votes in that state. You can go on and argue with yourself since that's what you are good at. And all the other Christian majority states in the North, Peter Obi will lose in a way that those of you who are deciving yourself will get a PTSD. Remember 2015 and how Buhari won in the state even though people say Jonathan will win it due to the state being majority christian.

Aufbauh:


2023 election will indeed be different from 2019 so we've heard in previous successive election.
Apart from the Muslim- Muslim ticket factor which is overrated by the promoters all other parameters you've mentioned has been there.

I don't know when will you guys understand that all politics is local.
Every locality has it peculiar considerations for voting, so using what bothers you in Abia or perceived national outcry to assumed for everywhere is myopic & ignorance.

Prior to 2019, we've heard how Fulani herdsmen has killed almost all Benue people and no Benue person will vote Buhari the Grand patron of herdsmen.
After the election which Atiku narrowly won by less than 7k votes, Benue people has shown that their own consideration is different from what the outsiders were assuming for them.

I'm a Christian from the North and I'll voting and canvassing for Tinubu.

Also the fact Buhari won in Benue in 2015 puts nail to the coffin of the false idea that Benue is sympathetic to the SE or that they are igbo who have been fraudulently drafted in the north. At least, that is what it indicates to the majority of sensible people. But hateful Igbos and biafrans still want to live a lie and self deception that Benue is igbo. There is just no cure for the self deception that is endemic among those heediots.

seeyounow:

What kind of fake map is this?

Dtruthspeaker:


I did understand your counter but your counter did not stand because Christ made this statement as The Law of marriage when specifically asked about marriage.

Secondly, you were using another contentious issue to rebut my answer which is an invalid rebuttal most especially as your position is even the wrong one. For Adam and Eve where alone until Genesis 4, where we see that they had lots and lots of children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren and 200 years is more than enough to have children and great-grandchildren and great great grand children, enough to fill villages and towns, not to talk of 500 years.

Has this one honestly made a serious point here? I would like to hear others on this page say something about this.

Dtruthspeaker:


Every reasonable person can see that Nathan was simply saying

"After all the wives you have taken and appropriated to yourself and God has not Said any thing yet, yet, you still went ahead to take another wife even to the point of murder? So, you do this because God did not talk"

Which we see that it became too too bad for David because, now God had Spoken and everything scattered.

So, your insulting me was just a clear sign of your desperation to run away from the Pain Truth gives the guilty when it Comes!



The Lord is always precise. When He wanted to say "wife" He Said it and if He intended to say "wives", He would have Said it., For remember, He is The Word, So He knows the value of Words!

mtchew!!!

Dtruthspeaker:


You obviously are a stark raving mad man else you would have seen that Genesis 4:1-14 is just simply reporting an incident between 3 People. And it goes on to show that other people male and female were there, so you are taking complete madness which is grounded by your madness of insulting a person. (I suspect you are still antichristian hiding under this moniker. Same type of madness and insult and absence of ordinary understanding because of the mad blindness of being a devil)

has this post done any justice to the issues I raised in the post he is responding to?

Now, I am struggling to understand what your problem is.

I wrote that post to debunk the myth that the bible passage ''in the beginning, he made them male and female'' does not mean it was one man and one woman he created at the beginning. the idea that is clearly responsible for people thinking polygamy is out of the question. I went further to prove with an overwhelming amount of evidence from the bible itself!

So, now that you agree with me that at the very beginning, it is not jut adam and eve that were there and that there were a vast number of people who were not related to adam or eve, what then is your problem? and why do you want to coninue to insist that the ''male and female'' he talked about, was referring to a single adam and a single eve from which you get your idea that polygamy is not Christian?

Dtruthspeaker:


You are making a case of "because the violators are many therefore the violation is lawful".

God's Laws do not change because the offenders are many rather He even Commanded "Thou shalt not follow the multitude to do evil: Exodus 23:2

So trace the origin of this crime , you would see that it starts with Lamech, the grandson of the first murderer, who wanted to make his own world record and therefore did more evill (killed 11 people) and added 2 wives to his list of crimes. Genesis 4:19/23

So now instead of following God, people are following Lamech which is a way to destruction.

You see, when the likes of you get what you have been dishing out, you just can't take it!
You stand there instead of riding out and face the very thing you dishout to people, you take the path of cowardice and play the victim.

In here, you associated polygamy with crime. Do you know how that sounds to offsprings o polygamy? you know an insult that is to thr holy marrital institution called polygamy and the people in thr institution?

You have been served your own cake and now you do not like the taste of it.

NNTR:
1 Timothy 4:12b
... but be an example and set a pattern for the believers in speech,
in conduct, in love, in faith, and in [moral] purity.

Suits you to now believe this now, then. Abi?

Deacons sets good example for others, by sticking to one wife

I am sure you'll agree that Genesis 2:24 is succinct and instructive about God's position on the subject.

Now, just because the bible does not explicitly condemn polygamy aka polygyny, nor explicitly condemn polyandry, doesnt mean, there's a licence to willy nilly freefall into cavorting and romancing with the idea of polygamy aka polygyny or polyandry.

There are things not mentioned as forbidden in the bible, that you dont do

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

@bolded
There is no where there monoga was mentioned as an example! STOP NEING FRAUDULENT already!

@second bolded
This is just pure lie! Do you love the devil so much you prefer to be his son? the bible says all liars are of their fathers the devil!

You see, as for genesis 2:24
It does not nullify polygamy.

why doesn't it nullify polygamy?

Well because the Christian marriage is and has always mirrored the relationship between god and the believer. This is why god told Hosea to go and get married; because through that marriage, he was going to teach the Hebrews certain things about how they will relate with him. Im that marriage, Hosea, the riteous man, is the image of god, who is all righteous. while his wife who is unfaithful, is the mirror of the imperfect believer who, though has been accepted by god just as Hosea has accepted his wife and married her, still falls from time to time. Songs of Solomon is a poem between a man and his wife where the man is the image of god and his wife is you, the born again.
When you believed, god gave you his spirit and became one with you. That's why Paul told you: do you know that your body is the temple of the holy ghost, who lives in you and was given to you by god...'' 1 cor 6 vs 19.

Just as god gave you his spirit, thereby becoming one with you, He also gives his spirit to other people who accept him as lord and he becomes one with them as well. Peter said: these people have received the holy ghost just as wr also did. Now, remember that in god/man relations as mirrored in Christian marriage, the man is also ways the mirror of god, while the woman always mirror the born again/ isreal/the church.
the holy ghost is your husband and can also be the husband of yor fellow brother in the lord. So also, the man can be the husband of one woman and simultaneously the husband of another woman SINCE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE IS THE MIRROR OF GOD/BELIEVER RELATIONS.

NNTR:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son,
which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious,
he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Are you practising stoning wayward sons. Smh.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Your poat has absolutely no relevance to the discussion

Righteousness2:
You don't need to respect me or my work bro. I am a mere human being.
What you need to know, understand and respect is God's Word.

A WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT KNOW.

AntiChristian:


Open your eyes! The context is not of Polygamy but of Divorce! I wonder why Jesus will use wives when talking about divorce!

absolutely!

YOU HAVE REALLY DONE SO MUCH FOR THESE PEOPLE. REMEMBER, EVEN WHEN JESUS WAS AROUND, THE 'BORN AGAINS', WERE THE ONES WHO CONTRADICTED HIM THE MOST.

Dtruthspeaker:


"His wife" all over the place not "his wives" or "any of his wives"!

But this evil will never hear!

So you that ignored the plain words of Nathan to david that god gave him his wives, are now resorting to insisting on plain words. fraudster like you! Ole, thief barawo shege banza!

If jesus said his wife, well that's because he understands that in polygamy, the husband is joined to his wives individually and the two are one body individually.

How do I know this is the case?

LET ME SHOW YOU!

Christian marriage is like unto the relationship between god and the church, Israel or individual christian. He went further to prove this in the songs of solomon which is basically a romantic poem between a man and a woman where the man is the image of god, and the woman the image of the church, israel or the individual christian. The story of Hosea also illustrate how the christian marriage is a mirror of the relationship between god and his born again, israel or the church. God said to Hosea: go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful in the same way my people are unfaithful and have left me (hosea 1 vs 2). Just as god who is your husband is one with you the moment he gave you his spirit when you became born again, so too is he is one with your fellow believer when he became born again. since god can be the husband of two different believers, so too can a man be the husband of more than one woman, remember, christian marriage is likened to the relationship between god and his church, israel or the born again.

AntiChristian:


If God was against David's polygamy, He certainly would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives.

But the LORD did not stop there. That verse 12 shows that the Lord took it even one step further than that! The LORD God even went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives, the Lord Himself said that He would have given David even more!

It was only because David had sinned, in committing adultery by taking another man's wife, and then causing that man's death to try to hide David's sin, that the Lord was calling him out through the prophet Nathan. There was no sin in the polygamy at all.

This is later confirmed that this was the only matter by 1 Kings 15:5, which says the following:

"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "
1 Kings 15:5.

Two verses before that, in 1 Kings 15:3, the Bible says that David's heart was perfect with the LORD God.

Very clearly, therefore, what all this shows is that God is the One Who gives wives, even when more than one wife.

Stop telling lies and using emotions/curses to deceive us here!
The truth is clear from the above.

he wants to twist that which is in plain words. This is the effect of being taught the wrong thing. When they now meet the right thing, they immediately begin to invest ways to debunk it even if it means committing fraud in broad day light.

Dtruthspeaker:


An evil will always bend things in evil.way to justify evil.

THIS IS THE TRUE INTERPRETATION.

" I have exalted you high, even higher than your former master and his household and all Isreal Judah, SUCH THAT YOU COULD DO NO WRONG THING! (BECAUSE OF COURSE, THOU KNOWETH NOT TO DO ANY WRONG THING)

THEREFORE, WHY? WHY HATH THOU DONE THIS EVIL, KNOWING I HATE EVIL? EVEN UP TO MURDERING A HUSBAND BECAUSE OF HIS WIFE?, ATOP ALL THE OTHER THINGS THOU HATH DONE, YET I KEPT SILENT?"

That is the accurate Interpretation of that passage.

God did not give him wives! He gave him a Nation to Rule, to implement God's Laws on them.

But, here we see the King, being as a criminal, breaking The Same Law he promised to implement.

And we see, God Greatly Punished him

So as usual, you speak Lies and Filth.

O Lord, surely, it is time to Judge the world! That all evils be permanently cast into The Fire no man can quench.

LIAR! BIBLE SAYS ALL LIARS ARE OF THEIR FATHERS THE DEVIL!

MaxInDHouse:


The laws can't make them perfect but to guide the Israelites until the Messiah (Christ) comes, unlike Moses who presented the laws and failed to live perfectly by it.
Jesus laid down perfect principles and lived by it.
So Jehovah gave the Israelites the laws to guide them until the coming of the perfect master (Christ)

EVEN WHEN JESUS CAME, HE HONOURED AND RESPECTED POLYGAMY AS A VALID CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE. SO, WHAT'S YOUR POINT AGAIN?

MaxInDHouse:


Well no imperfect man fulfilled the highlighted that's why all polygamous homes recorded in the Bible had serious issues.
Abraham was advised by his barren wife Sarah to sleep with her slave he didn't purposely got married to another woman until Sarah's death. Isaac married only Rebecca and Jacob married Leah and Rachel due to the trick of Laban.
So none of the patriarchs purposely got a second wife!

Abraham did not have a polygamous home. He had one wife at a time and a concubine.

The truth is: the people in the bible that had more than one wife fulfilled that obligation, How did you know they did not fulfil it? because you don't support polygamy is the reason another person did not fulfil his marital obligations in to his wives?
And stop with you fruitless campaign against polygamy already. whether or not they married more than one wife willingly or not, that does not mean polygamy is not a valid marital institution. it is very much like saying a man accidentally got a lady pregnant and he then chose to marry her, therefore monogamy is bad.

your god himself said HE GAVE DAVID MORE WIVES, AND IF THAT WERE NOT ENOUGH, HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM MORE.

MaxInDHouse:


Well no imperfect man fulfilled the highlighted that's why all polygamous homes recorded in the Bible had serious issues.
Abraham was advised by his barren wife Sarah to sleep with her slave he didn't purposely got married to another woman until Sarah's death. Isaac married only Rebecca and Jacob married Leah and Rachel due to the trick of Laban.
So none of the patriarchs purposely got a second wife!

which issue did they have and show me that it is because of polygamy that they had that issue

AntiChristian:
If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
Exodus 21:10

Yahweh makes laws protecting the First wife & previous wives here.
Note that this verse comes only 22 verses AFTER the 7th Commandment ("Thou shalt not commit adultery" in Exodus 20:14.

Moses wrote all these yet he still married two wives.

And Moses had a high holy Spirit level in Numbers 11:25

Thank you so much

AntiChristian:
Read More post on the allowance of Polygamy in the Bible on Nairaland.

1. If He Marries Another Woman..

https://www.nairaland.com/7032447/he-marries-another-woman

2. God Said He GAVE Wives (not A Wife)

https://www.nairaland.com/7029702/god-said-he-gave-wives

3. The Context Is DIVORCE NOT POLYGAMY

https://www.nairaland.com/7032858/context-divorce-not-polygamy

4. Jesus Used A Parable That Includes Polygamy

https://www.nairaland.com/7029727/jesus-used-parable-includes-polygamy

5. Polygamy In Christianity- (one Flesh)

https://www.nairaland.com/7029678/polygamy-christianity-one-flesh

6. Why Did Yahweh Support Polygamy?

https://www.nairaland.com/6093345/why-did-yahweh-support-polygamy

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