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Saintmary:
these men of God are challenging this popular mindset that following God means we have to live in poverty.if you are a Christian you must have read that we are come into the blessing of Abraham because. we. have faith.have you read first corinthians 8:9, tell. me what you think of psalm 35:27 if God wants us to be prosperous has it not occurred to you that the devil will want you to be poor and will go to any lengths to keep you from the truth? please reply my friend.

I don't want to argue, mostly in this part of the world we mostly react offensively and are unbelievably blinded and unnecessarily stubborn when it comes to religion. But I thank God for common sense.
To answer you my friend. If your truthful answer to these questions are yes then I rest my case.
1) is vanity discouraged by Christians?
2) I can buy a 2018 Toyota camry but I buy a 2018 Lamborghini when I know the funds can change people's life, is it vanity?

Statsocial:
By Leke Beecroft

THIS ARTICLE HOW NECESSARY AND COST EFFECTIVE IS OWNERSHIP OF JETS BY MEGA CHURCHES?


#1. The Efficiency Factor:

First of all, how efficient are the commercial services of the Nigerian aviation system? This answer is an obvious NO and has been so through the years. Is there anyone reading this in Nigeria, who is a regular air traveller and whose flight has never been delayed or who has never experienced some form of disappointment? In 2011, Oyedepo visited 27 countries for missionary purposes. In a particular week, I monitored his movement from sunday evening when he left Lagos for Kenya till friday evening when he arrived back in Lagos, Nigeria for a night ministration. He was in Zambia, Kenya, South Africa, Tanzania and Botswana (if my memory serves me right) in a spate of five days and was back to minister at the night session in Nigeria. This would have been absolutely impossible using commercial aviation means in Africa. No wonder Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo pointed out that as close as Liberia or Togo and other West African countries were to Nigeria, it was easier to get a commercial flight to London than to our neighbours here in Africa.

#2. The Ignorance, busy-body and Poverty Mentality Factor:

Secondly, when missionary establishments of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s flew in white missionaries on jets or helicopters, they were welcomed by the Nigerian locals and it was an acceptable sight. Why? They were whites. One of the greatest issues with missionary owned jets in Africa is the poverty mentality. Today, several billionaires in Nigeria are celebrated because they own jets. Young musicians and artistes are also celebrated for wearing large "bling blings" and "Chopping their money" on private jets...but when indigenously established missionary organizations, whose only mission is to save your soul are discovered to own these same aircraft to facilitate easy air trips, every busybody wants to have a say and criticize, sometimes very insultive....including those who have either never stepped foot in a church, never dropped a dime in offerings to God or have never even embraced the commandments of the Bible.

As much as criticism of missionary owned jets may be "religiously and politically" correct, I make bold to say they are scripturally incorrect. We are called covenant children of Abraham; what does the Bible say about Father Abraham? Genesis 13:2 "And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold." Genesis 24:1 "And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things." I am also very glad that after the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, it took a wealthy man to come get his body and put him in a befitting tomb. Also before his death when Judas was grumbling about the Alabaster Box that should have been given to the poor, the Bible had this to say "Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he CARED for the poor; but because he was a THIEF, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein." John 12;4-6.

If the argument is really about giving to the poor, why not also ask all the oil moguls in the country, all businessmen, musicians and all other owners to sell their jets and give to the poor? Obviously the emphasis isn't about the poor but anger and envy that wealth seems to be moving to the church...unfortunately, it hasn't even started. The Bible is the constitution of the christian. if what is in the Bible hurts your feelings, I render no apologies....let God be true and every man be a liar. Romans 3:4.

#3. Travel Frequency, Time, Administrative and Global Reach Factor:

For record purposes, as at the last time I checked and I believe I am current, the christian organizations who presently own aircraft in Nigeria are the Redeemed Christian Church of God which has branches in over 190 countries, the Living Faith Church Worldwide with branches in over 60 countries and 'Shiloh' online presence in over 170 countries, Christ Embassy with 'Rhapsody' presence in over 180 countries and branches in at least 4 continents as well as the immediate past CAN President, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor led Word of Life Bible Church. Pastor Ayo began to broadcast to the world before any of the afore mentioned pastors, back in 1987.

I ask another question; is it true that the leaders of some of these organizations travel regularly around the world? Do you have any idea what the itinerary of the Adeboyes, Oyedepos, Oritsejafors and Oyakhilomes entail?


Again it was Pastor Adeboye that said “there are things you need. When you have to oversee churches in 160 countries, you can’t do that on a bicycle,” Bishop Mike Okonkwo in an interview seemed to be in disagreement with some pastors listed here, the press excitedly tried to instigate him the more by asking about the ownership of jets. He explained to them however how he had once travelled to the Central African Republic for a programme but had to wait idly for almost a week for a return flight to Nigeria through Cameroon...... Any serious man or organization has respect for their time. The Church is one of such. Pastor Sam Adeyemi said once that all you need to grow old on time is to be a regular commercial flier on long trips.

#4. The Maintenance Cost Factor:

"If you are rich and desire to become poor quickly, own an aircraft." Pastor Enoch A Adeboye.

[b]Very many people do not understand what it takes to maintain an aircraft, especially in a country like Nigeria where aviation is controlled almost purely at the Federal level. How many people remember the issues with payment of parking fees for the Nigerian Presidential jet in 2009/10 when President Yar' Adua was flown to Saudi Arabia? Large sums of money (probably in millions of dollars) were paid for the aircraft which sat idly at the Riyadh King Khalid International Airport. One organization which used to charter aircraft frequently for movement to her crusade venues around the globe once paid about #75,000,000 (Seventy Five Million naira) annually for parking her aircraft at Bristow helicopters in Lagos.

Those who usually tout the example of the Pope who charters and flies Alitalia do not even realise that his accumulated flight expenses along with his entourage in just 30 flights will buy a nice jet. Let me break it down. Is it better to buy a car or charter a cab so expensive that you would have spent the cost of that car in just 30 drops?[/b]

My question again is, is it better to park your aircraft idly at the airport and pay these heavy parking sums to the government from church offerings not forgetting servicing, repairs and maintenance costs or lease them to aviation companies which in turn return profit at no cost to the church? Rev Gabriel Oduyemi bought a jet for church use. I do not need to tell the story of what happened to that aircraft but remember that it was the same aircraft that Omotola Jolade Ekeinde's pilot husband bought as 'scrap". Lest I forget, the average Captain in the aviation industry earns $10,000 (N3,600,000 or N3.6m) monthly. For two captains, that will be $20,000 (N7.2m) monthly or $240,000 (N86.2m) annually, not forgetting travel and landing allowances, hotel bills for the pilots etc. Young pilots need to accumulate hours and hours of flight so they opt for commercial planes instead of private jets who do not fly that regularly. This means that owning a private jet leaves you with almost no option than to hire experienced or veteran captains. This of course means you pay well for it. Luke 16:8 "And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation WISER THAN THE CHILDREN OF LIGHT".


Fortunately, the children of light are wiser now. They lease out their jets when not in use and avoid incurring unnecesary and exorbitant costs while the aircraft remains active even when not in use. Winners’ Chapel stretched this point. Among the first generation of missionary aircraft owners, she started leasing out her aircraft to EMS Speedpost once she realised what the costs of maintenance entailed and with due notice, she would use same jet for her missionary trips eventually an oil company also leased the jet and had to pay compensation after an accident. The church decided to buy another aircraft and this time built a hangar at the airport in Lagos. The hangar has space for 6 jets at a time. Now she does not rely on "church income" to maintain the hangar but runs it as a separate concern, funding itself. This is the line Church jet owners should be towing. I will quickly add at this point that for large organizations, it is cheaper to own aircraft than to keep paying for commercial air tickets or for charter services. If leasing a missionary aircraft will save costs and preserve the life of that aircraft for longer use, then that is simply the way to go


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My dear brother in Christ, there is no explanation that can justify a pastor owning a private jet talk less of up to 4 jets!! Air travel is not like land travel. The only reason they own these jets is because they want to satisfy their ego and the church can afford it so why the heck not. Are you saying without the Jets they can't travel the world? Before those jets were acquired were they not spreading the word and growing their churches? Are they holier than men of God with no private jets even though they can afford it. So you see its just lust after the pleasures of the earth. You see my brother the reason this jet issue is even an issue at all is because it is extremely expensive so expensive that the rich can not afford it, it is only for the super rich. Don't get me wrong they did nothing wrong in acquiring those exorbitantly expensive materialistic things, rather it's a question of morality, I think it's morally wrong. I have my reasons. Any body seen to be managing the resources of others needs to lead a certain lifestyle unless it is his personal business then he is free to do as he wishes. Secondly as a leader of a Christian church you have show humility Christ is humble their is humility in traveling with other passengers(there is nothing wrong with that in the first place) you don't submit to the whims and pleasures of the flesh. So you see don't defend them they are only human and human beings have their flaws.

DLondonboiy:
We can't wait...

Buhari would be voted out on the 16th and sent to daura on the 21st and sent to hell on the 25th...

We must do it!!

Bros you dey vex ooo

Mehn that group pic is dope.

Protein0:
ooh, I see. OnePlus 3 and IPhone 5

Meaning?

Agadsman:
Name a rich man that has no common sense

Bobrisky

This man has already started campaigning.

Wait. Na one person collect the four?

Protein0:
which of the iPhone models would you exchange for OnePlus 3?

IPhone 5 because of the fingerprint

africanboy:
iphone may have set a standard. that standard, however, has been surpassed by other manufacturers. i'll take a oneplus 5t over an iphone x anyday.

Your choice my man. Fact is one plus always try to copy iPhones in a cheap way. You can do some research, anytime apple release a phone just watch one plus next phone they try to copy the design and features. Truth is
1) one plus make good phones
2) They would not be popular if they did not set there price below the competition.
Don't get it twisted folks. I am not in anyway condemning one plus. They deliver value for money. It's just that you can't compare with iPhones. Even though iPhones are overpriced.

Protein0:
if I may ask, have you handled a OnePlus device before?

Yup. I used the one plus 3 then when it was released, the phone was overhyped.......or not maybe because of the price.

twinskenny:
We asked question you said we should fa4 owner... nawa

Lolz. I like your type that is not serious and also don't understand English and keep on bumping the thread with asking questions.

DeLioncourt:
Is this still available?

Phone has long since been sold

GChux1:
Wow. You got that into Naija? You're awesome. If it was a few weeks earlier, could have thought about it. All those spending a fortune on lame iPhones. This will be worth every dime. I advise you to go for it.

My guy one plus and iPhones are not on the same level at all. I phones set the standard oneplus copy and try to meet those standards. Dem dey try but So far they still have quite a long road to go.

is it just me because i dont know why i hardly believe anything this government says anymore.

The 6 months training to learn how to wash a car got me mehn

jksxxxx:
oga pay the man his money people like u dey make people no trust he has every right to say what ever he likes because agreement is an agreement ..pay the man 2k na change chicken change but try pay him.yiu have received the phone so what's your excuse

Lolz

jksxxxx:
oga pay the man his money people like u dey make people no trust he has every right to say what ever he likes because agreement is an agreement ..pay the man 2k na change chicken change but try pay him.yiu have received the phone so what's your excuse

Lolz.

While una dey here they complain and curse. Meanwhile the man don dey already hustle 2019. He he he he

Osucoward:
Is that why we should excuse Innoson's fraud?

When EFCC arrested Otedola, Yorubas didn't cry victim.

My brother must we always find a way to make it about tribalism even if its not. You read and read and re-read a story until you find a way to make it about tribe. Stop the hate we all are one.

seunmsg:
I won't be surprised if our ipob friends come out to say Buhari is using EFCC to intimidate him because Igbos are supporting Atiku. To ipobs, everything is about Buhari and politics.

My guy cant you see that with this your comment it is obvious it is you that has the problem. Because that is exactly what you have done.

phazotron:
Good afternoon. I sold my phone to princemilla this morning but complained he didnt have the complete cash with him. The outstanding is 2k and he promised me that he will send d rest to my account before the end of today. I decided to trust him like dat. Till now i havent received any alert. Pls fellow nairala because i believed dat an adult like him will be too mature to misbehave becuse of 2k.nairalanders, don't deal with this criminal. He will give us excuses why he can't give u the full cash upfront.

My friend go and sit down jooo. It's only you that knows what transpired between the two of you that you won't let the day go before you rush here to taint somebody. if I were the buyer. I am never paying that 2k. You have done your worst.

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Doughboysss:
is d phone still available

i am interested

call owner and find out sir.

Failtech:
Abi, they go con dey form bootloop for here. I've used the phone upgraded to Android nougat and even enjoyed it better

Dont mind them

asdfjklhaha:
This man should thread carefully unless the wrath of God will fall upon him

He is with God so nothing will happen to him.

Failtech:
Bad Belle

You'll be surprised they are among the people calling and begging you to bring down price.

Gosj01:
Come dash me nah...since the bolded

Chairman no be me get am ooo

twinskenny:
Can u sell for 24k am ready tommorow

I dont know. Call owner

surrogatesng:
LG G4 has factory error issues.I will not advise my enemy to buy this phone.Once you connect to INTERNET and you upgrade the OS.My brother,you are living in hell

Lolz . This mumu don go buy chinko G4. Ha ha ha ha ha ha........ see link below. And when he realised he was the fool it was already too late. See second link. For your information mr mugu the LG G4 was among top 5 best phones in the world when it came out. And please educate us dont be vague. What do you mean by hell abeg?
https://www.nairaland.com/4073679/7.0-custom-rom-wanted-lg

https://www.nairaland.com/4153797/warning-never-buy-phone-mr

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