TruthinAction: He is coming back in two phases. The first is for the rapture of the church which is the next major event. The second is to come and establish his millennium reign on earth after defeating Satan in a battle.
These facts are true. If you have any evidence it has already happened, you are very ignorant of the truth.
There will be no church on earth if it's already happened. The rapture will end the church age. And the Saints left behind will go through great tribulation.
Every religious person believes his own religion has the truth so apart from your belief, how can you prove that you are not the one ignorant of the truth?
The youtube video documentary was by the world's renowned Bible scholars going outside the restrictions of mainstream religions institutions using official Roman historical documents and not from a religious group based on belief.
I believed all the same things you believed for decades until I watched this video documentary by the world's renowned Bible scholars going outside the restrictions of mainstream religions institutions using official Roman historical documents and since then I was convinced that the Jesus we all know today is a made up character by the Romans and used for political control of the people.
I have added a screenshot of one of the Bible scholars in the documentary Dr Rod Blackhirst, Lecturer in Religious Studies at La Trobe University, Australia.
peggywebbs: Now you see, there are many documentary evidences about the origin of Jesus and you chose to "believe" this version. The keyword here is belief, it's a strong conviction about something. The Christians have their evidence and proof of their version of Jesus Christ, and so they believe. You believe the Roman documentary of Jesus.
Those who believe Jesus was in Japan for 20 years, have their documentary evidence. If you bothered to look at the version of Tibet too, maybe you would be convinced. Like I said? Which version you believe is up to you. You're not going to try to convince me to believe in the Roman created Jesus, because I have gone through all the versions. I read wide, I read and watch every possible material about religion and spiritual things.
I've read books that even Christians will forbid because I'm not afraid to seek. And yes the keyword is "seek". However, I don't read one material and base my conclusions there, I go further to read every body's side of the story. Now, how do I know which is the real truth, after critically analysing all sides, I go straight to the source. However, for some one material is enough to convince them. For others, they already have their mind set that Jesus is a fictitious character, so they keep finding evidence to convince themselves they are right.
If you truely have an open mind, you will find the truth. I can't convince you that Jesus is not created by the Romans because that's what you believe. Just like the jihadists believe they will get 72 virgins in paradise. Believe is strong, whether documentary evidence belief, scientific belief, philosophical belief or even spiritual belief. However, all I can say is keep researching, go further to find out if this documentary has been argued by theologians, or possibly bible scholars. There are lots of educational materials and research on the origin of Jesus Christ. Don't stop at a YouTube documentary, this subject has been discussed for thousands of years.
You are always displaying your "LAZY MIND ON THIS FORUM" If someone tells you they have supernatural powers then what is wrong in asking them to prove it. Shows how frustrated you are that technology is exposing you and your colleagues that use myths and fear to control others. Check your posts, you are the one that first results in insults once you find that the person you are discussing with on this forum is not gullible for you to control.
MaxInDHouse: Out of frustration they will insult, abuse and even curse anyone who claims there is voodoo but refused to show them how to get it!
We are Africans and our people are used to voodooism so it's unreasonable for any black to wake up from his slumber and start arguing that what we grow up to know among our people doesn't exist. The truth is that most of our youths wants to get rich quickly so they're desperately looking for voodoo that will help them achieve that aim, because they want the original they're now coming on the internet to say it doesn't exist in order to connect themselves with anyone who knows it. Whenever i see such posts Buhari's comment always run across my mine "Lazy Nigerian Youths""Ali and the angel"
Dtruthspeaker: [s]See, now the insult has come, all because I have directly put forth the Truth of what you are doing and have in mind to do, exactly the way thieves and homosexuals do in desperately trying to justify and cover up their crimes and hungrily seeking support, thinking that by democracy, they would not be found guilty.
Like the thieves and homosexuals, YOU HAVE NO DEFENCE AND YOUR COUNTER ACCUSATION IS EMPTY![/s]
You are just so foolish. See your previous post below, you always turn to insults because you are senseless. If you are sensible you will not be showing your foolishness on religious matters that were given to your forefathers after they were conquered. Wisdom is when you research and discover that what you have been believing is just a myth, but because you have no wisdom is the reason you are a BIG FOOL on this forum.
Dtruthspeaker: Is it not the evidence of what you want that you sought out?
Exactly like a thief seeking out evidence to justify his belief in stealing, is out there for him to claim as "Truth"! Thereby proving, you see only what you want to see! The very definition of the blindness called "narrow vision".
You have got me completely wrong, this is about documentary evidence and not belief. There is enough documentary evidence to show that the Romans created the messiah and the second coming we are all waiting for over 2000 years now when they conquered and occupied Israel.
peggywebbs: You still don't understand me. Okay let me be clear, I'm not trying to convince you that Jesus is real. I'm only letting you know that there are many Jesus's that have been defined throughout history.
You believe the Roman created Jesus, some believe Jesus originated from India, some believe it is Japan.
You choose your account based on what you believe. For you, it's the Roman created Jesus. So if that is what you have chosen to believe, who I'm I to change your mind? You can't compare Nigeria, to a spiritual matter. Religion is spiritual not physical, so you won't really understand because you're trying to compare it with your human mind.
There are many things that can't be explained by the physical, some people call it magic, some believe it's hallucination, but it's only if you experience it, that you can define it. For instance, if someone sees a real life mermaid in the water, another person will wave it off as a lie. They'd think the person is seeing things that aren't there because, they don't believe mermaids exist. How do you explain something that not everyone has seen,?
If you don't believe Jesus is real, nobody can convince otherwise, you have decided to believe the story of the Roman created Jesus. That believe itself is as strong as those who believe in the Christian Jesus, the Japanese Jesus, and the Tibet Jesus.
Has anyone here single handedly developed such a UI application to dynamically update or insert data into any SQL Database table without knowing the SQL table name or database name in advance? If you have then you are amongst the elects in programming.
There are two ways to view this and here are examples.
1. Lets say Nigeria was created 2000 years ago with documents and agreements by the occupying nation that created it and today you just believe you are a Nigerian because that is what you're been taught to believe.
2. Now if you decide to do start researching into the history of how Nigeria was created and see the documents and agreements that were used to create Nigeria you'll be shocked to know that historically you were not Nigerian if the tribes had not been conquered and every religious atifact were taken away or destroyed and a FAKE messiah was written about decades after His ministry and no records were written during the period of his ministry when there has been writers centuries before His ministry.
Same way with believing the made of character of the Jesus we believe today and the made up second coming but once you put your beleive aside and you decide to research into what really took place at that time you will realise that the Jesus we know today and the New Testament were just a Roman creation to control the minds of the people and to unit the Roman empire. Even the Old Testament we have today came from Rome meaning we don't even have or know what is in the original Old Testament scrolls they took away from the Temple in Israel about 2000 years ago as they were kept in their secret chambers in Rome.
peggywebbs: I found this material last year and yes out of curiosity. Here's what I told the lady who published it. I told her that in a thousand years, it would be as though she never existed. People won't know she walked the earth, even her generation will forget her. I don't even know my ancestors, I can't trace beyond my grand parents.
Well, that's the truth. People talk about Sango as a god, Oduduwa, Zeus and even the Roman god's. Can you hold truth to their story? Some people will tell you it's a myth, some will tell you it's true they existed. Some will say they were common men while some will tell you they were extraordinary.
The truth is you cannot use the physical to explain the supernatural. It just wouldn't make sense. So if you want to know about Jesus, Yeshua, or Emmanuel and the many other names people call Him, then you have to delve into the spiritual. Trust me, there are many accounts of Jesus Christ. The Japanese Jesus talks about the 20 years gap in Jesus ministry, but is there a truth to that?
There's also the Jesus in Tibet, does that story hold water? If you find out about Jesus in many culture folktales, you'd be surprised at what you find. So how do you know who Jesus is? You can only know the real version if you know the actual person. Everything anyone says won't matter, so trust me when I tell you, the Roman Jesus is not a new idea. They tried to cause a lot of confusion so people won't really know who Jesus is.
Search your heart and speak to God , you'll find the real Jesus and nothing anyone says will matter. The word of God is there to guide you, to understand the true nature of Jesus, you can sort through the many versions to find out the truth.
Dtruthspeaker: Is it not the evidence of what you want that you sought out?
Exactly like a thief seeking out evidence to justify his belief in stealing, is out there for him to claim as "Truth"! Thereby proving, you see only what you want to see! The very definition of the blindness called "narrow vision".
You are very unwise and your narrow blindness will not allow you to find out the origin of the New Testament and the FAKE second coming you beleive so much in.
What's there is that there are enough strong evidence that the Romans created the character of Jesus and the 2nd coming we have all been waiting for, for over 2000 years now. Just imagine that Jesus time was during the occupation of Nigeria by the Europeans when most of the tribes where resisting the occupation then a guy called Jesus appears walking on water, feeding 5000 people plus more and promised he was coming back. If that was the case the Europeans will take that guy named Jesus straight to Europe to perform all these miracles for them.
peggywebbs: MindHacker, the last time I checked the internet contains information we put in it. Which means, there are a million documentation that can either proof or argue the second coming of Christ. You found what you were looking for to convince you that it isn't real.
There are also materials that support its validity while even some will tell you the event already happened. The question is what do you believe? If your belief is based on your parents belief it's really not a belief. Remember as a child,our parents will tell us lots of things to scare us not to do things...well we grew up and most of them were bullcrap.
Now, what I'm trying to tell you is that there's no amount of books or evidence you look for that can offer the truth. If you don't believe what you're seeing or are convinced of it's truth, it just won't make sense to you. That's why you need to experience God personally even as crazy as it sounds. God isn't far away from us and most times we don't even notice how close he is. He's the only one that can tell you for sure whether what you've been hearing is bullcrap or not. Unless you seek him directly, you can't really tell what the truth is and there isn't anything anyone in the world will tell you to make you believe otherwise.
Dtruthspeaker: Do you expect murderers to willingly and openly confess and admit their murderings? You could try your hands at making people laugh!
But you are angry with the Europeans below when the Romans did the same to the Jews and took all the Old Testament scrolls to Rome where they wrote the New Testament for you the be waiting the 2nd coming of a made up character.
Dtruthspeaker: Truth, is even greater than documentary evidence and Truth has a way of showing up to scatter all Lies!
We did not even need the documentary evidence to show that those evil bastards did invade and occupy Nigeria, there are too much tell tale evidence eg Victoria Island in Lagos, instead of one Yoruba or Nigerian sounding name. Creek Town in Calabar, instead of one Bassey or Anniefok name etc.
Dtruthspeaker: Truth, is even greater than documentary evidence and Truth has a way of showing up to scatter all Lies!
We did not even need the documentary evidence to show that those evil bastards did invade and occupy Nigeria, there are too much tell tale evidence eg Victoria Island in Lagos, instead of one Yoruba or Nigerian sounding name. Creek Town in Calabar, instead of one Bassey or Anniefok name etc.
The same reason the Jews don't believe in the made up character you are waiting for His 2nd coming, because the Jews are the writers of the Old Testament scrolls which the Romans took away to Rome after they conquered and occupied Israel around 2000 years ago. The Jews are aware that the New Testament is FAKE because GOD that gave them the Old Testament did not give them the New Testament and that it was the Romans that gave us the New Testament which is based on Roman pagan Idol which you are now believing today and you are too scared to find out the truth for yourself.
cornelboy: Jesus never told us the time he's coming back. He said only the one true GOD in heaven knows. Where did you get your 70 CE from and which God do you believe in or what's your religion?
Where have you been all this time that I have been posting about what you are asking. Check my other posts so that you don't derail this thread.