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@OkCornel

See what is said of your Chrestus that Nero accused of starting the fire in Rome: "a most mischievous superstition. Thus checked for the moment, not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular"

To you any follower of any one from Judea is a follower of Jesus Christ.

You can watch the video documentary from the account of Josephus when Rome took Jerusalem and the temple during the battle in 70 AD

Again I will put it to you that there was no mention of the followers of Jesus Christ or your Chrestus when the Roman army took Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jerusalem and the Temple were the headquarters of the followers of Jesus Christ but no mention of them in 70 AD.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5j0URuTMs

OkCornel:
I can only take you seriously when you provide evidence(s) of all Jewish scholars and historians UNANIMOUSLY DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Meanwhile, read the below again to understand how Christianity got to Rome long before the great fire of Rome in 64 AD.

You also don’t want me to get started on the history of the church at Jerusalem.

Something very basic you’ve ignored. The Jews had significant presence in the diaspora, long before 70 AD.

The message on Jesus Christ was preached to Jews who traveled for the Passover after the ascension of Christ.

That was how followers of Christus (who suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate) were present in Rome. Through evangelism and conversion. Not fleeing from war.

Acts 2 v 5-11;
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?
9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome
11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

These Jews, including the ones who came over from Rome for the Passover later converted to Christianity.

Acts 2 v 41;
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And just to add, towards the end of his life when he was held under house arrest in Rome, Apostle Paul devoted his life entirely to preaching about Jesus Christ and the kingdom of God to Jews and Gentiles that visited him.

The details are in Acts 28 v 11-31.


In conclusion, the followers of Christus in Rome whom Nero blamed for the great fire of 64 AD, are followers of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Another history lesson 101. It doesn’t take much to figure this out

@OkCornel

See what is said of your Christus that Nero accused of starting the fire in Rome: "a most mischievous superstition. Thus checked for the moment, not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular"

To you any follower of any one from Judea is a follower of Jesus Christ.

Again I will put it to you that there was no mention of the followers of Jesus Christ or your Chrestus when the Roman army took Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jerusalem and the Temple were the headquarters of the followers of Jesus Christ but no mention of them in 70 AD.
You can watch the video documemtary.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5j0URuTMs

OkCornel:
Read, and understand how the followers of Jesus Christ were in Rome long before the great fire of 64 AD. Your claims that Christianity started in 70 AD is another hilarious joke. Abi you want more lessons from Jewish historians and scholars?

Something very basic you’ve ignored. The Jews had significant presence in the diaspora, long before 70 AD.

The message on Jesus Christ was preached to Jews who traveled for the Passover after the ascension of Christ.

That was how followers of Christus (who suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate) were present in Rome. Through evangelism and conversion. Not fleeing from war.

Acts 2 v 5-11;
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?
9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome
11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

These Jews, including the ones who came over from Rome for the Passover later converted to Christianity.

Acts 2 v 41;
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And just to add, towards the end of his life when he was held under house arrest in Rome, Apostle Paul devoted his life entirely to preaching about Jesus Christ and the kingdom of God to Jews and Gentiles that visited him.

The details are in Acts 28 v 11-31.


In conclusion, the followers of Christus in Rome whom Nero blamed for the great fire of 64 AD, are followers of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Another history lesson 101. It doesn’t take much to figure this out

@OkCornel

The followers of your Chrestus from Judea could go as far away as to Rome in 64 AD to cause trouble and cause a fire that destroyed Rome a superpower at the time but when Rome went and took Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple which was the headquarters of the followers of Chrestus there was no mention of the followers of Chrestus but only the mention of about 1000 Zealots who fled to the mountains as said in Matthew 26:14 but no followers of Jesus Christ or Chrestus fled to the mountains or to Rome. This shows that Jesus Christ was made up after 70 AD and this is the reason there were no eyewitnesses of Him from 0 to 33 AD.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

OkCornel:
Something very basic you’ve ignored. The Jews had significant presence in the diaspora, long before 70 AD.

The message on Jesus Christ was preached to Jews who traveled for the Passover after the ascension of Christ.

That was how followers of Christus (who suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate) were present in Rome. Through evangelism and conversion. Not fleeing from war.

Acts 2 v 5-11;
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?
9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome
11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

These Jews, including the ones who came over from Rome for the Passover later converted to Christianity.

Acts 2 v 41;
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And just to add, towards the end of his life when he was held under house arrest in Rome, Apostle Paul devoted his life entirely to preaching about Jesus Christ and the kingdom of God to Jews and Gentiles that visited him.

The details are in Acts 28 v 11-31.


In conclusion, the followers of Christus in Rome whom Nero blamed for the great fire of 64 AD, are followers of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Another history lesson 101. It doesn’t take much to figure this out

KnownUnknown:
Although the NT is not evidence that the guy existed, at least OKcornel can use it since he believes in his existence. However, I wonder why you are quoting NT events to support your position.
It even goes beyond your usual cherry-picking of the Bible when you consider the OT as credible but the NT has a Roman creation.

Quoting from the NT was just to show @OKcornel and co. that even the writers of the NT left clues that Jesus Christ was their own creation

There were no followers of Jesus Christ in the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD when Rome destroyed it, only Zealots were mentioned and they fled to the mountains as said in Matthew 26:14 but no followers of Jesus Christ fleeing to the mountains or Rome.
This shows that Jesus Christ was made up after 70 AD

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

There were no followers of Chrestus or Jesus Christ in the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD when Rome destroyed it, only Zealots were mentioned and they fled to the mountains as said in Matthew 26:14 but no followers of Chrestus or Jesus Christ fleeing to Rome

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

@OkCornel

Your JOKES are on an endless LOOP

OkCornel:
@mindhacker9009, have you seen how Christianity got to Rome long before the great fire of Rome in 64AD, and the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70AD?

I’m really glad you’ve entered scriptures

OkCornel:
And what does that have to do with the Jewish and Gentile Christians in Rome who were blamed for the great fire of Rome in 64AD long before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD?

@OkCornel

But according to @MaxInDHouse: "With the above warning from the prophet they respected most, all the Christians left Jerusalem safely before the Romans attacked the city"

MaxInDHouse:
“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled" Luke 21:20-24

With the above warning from the prophet they respected most, all the Christians left Jerusalem safely before the Romans attacked the city so how do you expect any of them to write what they never saw nor had the opportunity to ask those who were killed during the attack?

OkCornel:
I’m glad you’ve entered the scriptures.

Something very basic you’ve ignored. The Jews had significant presence in the diaspora, long before 70 AD.

The message on Jesus Christ was preached to Jews who traveled for the Passover after the ascension of Christ.

That was how followers of Christus (who suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate) were present in Rome. Through evangelism and conversion. Not fleeing from war.

Acts 2 v 5-11;
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?
9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome
11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

These Jews, including the ones who came over from Rome for the Passover later converted to Christianity.

Acts 2 v 41;
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And just to add, towards the end of his life when he was held under house arrest in Rome, Apostle Paul devoted his life entirely to preaching about Jesus Christ and the kingdom of God to Jews and Gentiles that visited him.

The details are in Acts 28 v 11-31.


In conclusion, the followers of Christus in Rome whom Nero blamed for the great fire of 64 AD, are followers of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Another history lesson 101. It doesn’t take much to figure this out

I’m waiting for your next excuse…while I’m checking for more Jewish historians and scholars affirming THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ.

OkCornel:
And the joke continues.

So who was Tacitus referring to as the Chrestus that originated from Judaea? Hmmm?

Which Chrestus suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius?

I’m really enjoying this gymnastics on display.

Your BIGGEST followers of Chrestus JOKE in Rome Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD , has now fully been busted to pieces. As there were no followers of Chrestus in the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD when Rome destroyed it, only Zealots were mentioned and they fled to the mountains as said in Matthew 26:14 but no followers of your Chrestus fleeing to Rome

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

OkCornel:
Jesus ascended when?
Jerusalem was destroyed when?

The Chrestus that Tacitus mentioned in the annals originated from where again?

Emperor Nero blamed the followers of this same Chrestus for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD.., or he didn’t?

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 24:
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

When the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD no mention of the followers of Chestus but only the mention of about 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

It was the Zealots that fled to the mountians and there were no account of the followers of Chrestus fleeing to Rome, so those followers of Chrestus in Rome has nothing to do with Jesus Christ

OkCornel:
Jesus ascended when?
Jerusalem was destroyed when?

The Chrestus that Tacitus mentioned in the annals originated from where again?

Emperor Nero blamed the followers of this same Chrestus for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD.., or he didn’t?

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 24:
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

When the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD no mention of the followers of Chestus but only the mention of about 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

It was the Zealots that fled to the mountians and there were no account of the followers of Chrestus fleeing to Rome, so those followers of Chrestus in Rome has nothing to do with Jesus Christ

OkCornel:
Someone who doesn’t know Jerusalem was part of the province of Judaea is still arguing whether Jesus Christ existed or not.

Seems we’ll never run out of jokes on this topic

If you read below you will see that the followers of Chestus stayed continually at the temple in Jerusalem, praising God. But when the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD no mention of the followers of Chestus but only the mention of about 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

OkCornel:
Study history and spare yourself from further embarrassment.

Is Jerusalem part of the Roman province of Judaea? Yes or No.

If you read below you will see that the followers of Chestus stayed continually at the temple in Jerusalem, praising God. But when the Romans destroyed the temple no mention of the followers of Chestus but only the mention of about 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

OkCornel:
Lmao, so you don’t know Jerusalem was part of the Roman Province of Judaea?

The joke continues

History lesson 101

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaea_(Roman_province)

If you read below you will see that the followers of Chestus stayed continually at the temple in Jerusalem, praising God. But when the Romans destroyed the temple no mention of the followers of Chestus but only the mention of about 1,000 Zealots who escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

OkCornel:
So the Chrestus whose followers started out from Judaea, how did they increase in numbers in Rome up to 64 AD when Emperor Nero blamed them for the great fire, hmmm?

Remember basic history…64 AD comes before 70 AD. Yet you claimed Christianity started in 70 AD.

Another entertaining joke.

No mention of the followers of Chrestus in Jerusalem when the Roman Empire destroyed the Great Temple in Jerusalem, the center of the Jewish religion. In A.D. 70, Roman troops took Jerusalem, destroyed the Great Temple, and razed the city. Hundreds of thousands died in the slaughter. About 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

So followers of Chrestus were in Judea but non in Jerusalem when Jesus ministered in Jerusalem and most importantly, where he died and rose again and assended.

The Ascension of Jesus Acts 2:41
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

tctrills:
You should at least have gotten some evidence against Jesus Christ before coming online. Your evidence is that Romance attacked the Jews. How does that make sense?

It will not make sense to you as you already believe in a FAKE messiah

tctrills:
MindHacker9009 claims that is his big evidence against Jesus Christ. Very funny.

And this is even much more funny about your FAKE messaih

OkCornel:
This has absolutely no connection with the Christians Nero already blamed for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD.

Jewish Christians like Paul and Peter were in Rome years before the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

Made up stories. No histrian has written that Paul and Peter were in Rome

OkCornel:
And what does the destruction of the Judaism temple got to do with Christianity?

Response to the below that the FAKE messiah was pro Roman empire and could not defeat the Romans occupying Israel:

tctrills:
You have any evidence of that?

tctrills:
This is your evidence?

Yes, where is yours

OkCornel:
Did the worship of Serapis or Mithras originate from Judaea?

Oooh la la la

Jewish Christians will not flee from Judaea to Rome when Rome was taking Jews away to Rome as slaves.

About 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert after the Roman Empire destroyed the Great Temple in Jerusalem, the center of the Jewish religion..

So why will Jewish Christians flee from Judaea all the way to Rome

tctrills:
You have any evidence of that?

Roman Empire destroyed the Great Temple in Jerusalem, the center of the Jewish religion. In A.D. 70, Roman troops retook Jerusalem from Jewish rebels, destroyed the Great Temple, and razed the city. Hundreds of thousands died in the slaughter. About 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

But your FAKE messaih was all pro Roman empire

tctrills:
Many of the old testament stories sound like fables but we believe them so why do you find it hard to believe the new testament?

Because it's all a completely made up story for gullible people to believe a fake second coming when the first coming could not defeat the Roman empire occupying Israel at the time

OkCornel:
How did Paul and Peter die before 70AD if you claim Christianity started in 70AD?

No historical records of these only stories by legends so they are unreliable

OkCornel:
Oh wait lemme guess. Peter and Paul did not exist too? Or… they were not crucified and beheaded respectively.

If they did then they were Zealots and would not have gone to Rome

Roman Empire destroyed the Great Temple in Jerusalem, the center of the Jewish religion. In A.D. 70, Roman troops retook Jerusalem from Jewish rebels, destroyed the Great Temple, and razed the city. Hundreds of thousands died in the slaughter. About 1,000 Zealots escaped to a fort, called Masada, on a mountaintop in the desert.

OkCornel:
The bolded is a barefaced lie.

Paul and Peter who were executed by Emperor Nero prior to 70AD were what again?
Muslims?

The story of Paul and Peter in Rome is by legends not by any historian so they are made up stories

OkCornel:
Did Jesus Christ have followers (believers) in the Roman Empire or not?

Did Nero execute Paul and Peter who were Jewish Christian leaders or not?

Christainity started after the capture of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD when the Roman Empire Vespasian entered the Holies of Holies in the Temple and found out the Jewish religion is based on literal text and not satues like in Rome this was the basis on which Jesus Christ and Christainity was created. Hence you cannot find any eyewitness of Jesus Christ and no written records of Jesus Christ during His ministry from between 0 and 33 AD

OkCornel:
So who did Emperor Nero blame and persecute for the great fire of Rome in 64AD?

Followers of someone “fabricated” by the same Roman Empire? Does this make any sense to you?

The Roman Empire took alot of Jews to Rome to be used as slaves and not as Christains.

Jesus Christ completed His ministry in 33 AD and the great fire of Rome was in 64AD 3 decades later and you base your belief on this

The Jews know "Jesus Christ" is 100% FAKE and is not their Messiah

"Jesus Christ" is a Pagan god of the Roman Empire

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Please take a moment to write a quality post with at least 40 characters.
This will make the forum more interesting for everyone.

OkCornel:
Research on documentary hypothesis and Yahwism.

Y’all will see the flaws in the thought process

The photo is the real flaw in the thought process of many

sonmvayina:
You know there is no Jesus in the Tanakh.

You are just trying to convince your self that you have not wasted your whole life believing a lie

I have now concluded that the likes of @MaxInDHouse @OkCornel @Kobojunkie and co. all know that "Jesus Christ" is FAKE but because of what they are gaining from gullible people they are deceiving with this their FAKE "Jesus Christ" they will continue to pretend they truly believe in Him

@OkCornel

Are these top scholars and historians Jewish? They have top Historians.

The Roman empire has all the original Jewish scrolls they took away from the Temple in Jerusalem in 70AD so they know alot about Judaism.

The Nag Hammadi only dates back to 1300 AD so still not an eyewitness account of your Chrestus who dates back to 2000 AD

OkCornel:
Are these top scholars and historians Jewish? Yes or No.

Does it make sense for a foreigner(s) to claim to know your indigenous history better than you and your ancestors?

And by the way, your Nag Hammadi reference(s) does not deny THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ