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obaty:You're right, hope you voted for CHANGE? |
Nigerians no get time for this news o! See free spaces. All waiting for Buhari to be declared President. Sai BABA! |
clans:Thanks dear. |
Women of CHANGE. Emotional. |
Good for them Who knows the party of that female Presidential aspirant? I'm interested in her votes. ![]() |
Buhari ni joor. |
GANJAFARMER:Make sure you seize from existence when the people's general is sworn in. Sai Buhari! |
By the grace of God, he won't win. No IF. ![]() |
[size=30]CHANGE [/size] |
GANJAFARMER:I am not a party agent, all I want is CHANGE from misrule. All hope is not lost. |
They must have rigged this one. ![]() |
shahydbinaliyu:Seen your comments and won't be good to neglect, this is from Quran only, what are you saying about it? The Quran, much like the Holy Bible, uses plural pronouns for God even more so than what we find in God’s true Word. Here are several examples: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point). S. 3:44 Y. Ali And no soul can die except by ALLAH's leave, - a decree with a fixed term. And whoever desires the reward of the present world, WE will give him thereof; and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter, WE will give him thereof; and WE will surely reward the grateful. S. 3:145 Shakir Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to HIM some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing. S. 17:1 Shakir Note the confusion of this last text. If you take that sentence seriously, then there are at least four persons involved here. Person A to whom glory is given, person B is the servant of person A, and persons C and D (or more) who are the subject and the speakers of this whole sentence. Actually, who is "him"? … so that WE show to HIM some of … surely HE is the … seeing. Doesn’t the structure suggest that the HIM and the HE should be the same? Whatever the case maybe, this point is clear. The Quran does use plural pronouns for Allah. Some Muslims claim that the plural pronouns are used in a majestic sense, that these reflect the use of the royal plural denoting the splendor and grandeur of Allah. But as the late, great Christian scholar and evangelist to the Muslims St. Clair W. Tisdall wrote in the following argument which he put in dialogue form between a Muslim ( M ) and a Christian ( C): 139. M. There is nothing in the Qur'an to support the doctrine of the Trinity. C. We accept it on the authority of the Bible alone. Yet there are two facts in the Qur'an which cannot be properly explained or understood except by accepting the doctrine. The first is, that God is spoken of as One, He is called God ( ﺍﻟﻠﻪ Allah), Lord ( ﺍﻟﺮﺏ Ar Rabb) in the singular, and addressed as Thou. The other is, that He is represented as speaking of Himself in the plural as We, Us. Examples are found in almost every Surah: for example, in Surah XCVI., Al 'Alaq, supposed to be the first Surah revealed to Muhammad, God is called "the Lord" (v. , and "God" (v. 13) in thesingular, and yet in v. 17, He says, "We too will summon the guards of hell," using the plural. Does not this imply the existence of some kind of plurality, other than that of attributes, in the Divine Unity? 140. M. Certainly not. The "We" is used, as kings use the word, to imply majesty. C. On what authority do you say this so positively? If the Qur'an is from God, nothing in it can be unmeaning. Whatever God says is true: and this expression, so often repeated in the Qur'an, may contain deep teaching. We observe that, in the use of the plural, the Qur'an agrees with the Bible, since we find, for instance, in Gen. i. 26; iii. 22; xi. 7, the very same expression used. Those parts of the Bible which teach the doctrine of the Trinity in Unity may possibly explain the reason of this, as far as the Bible is concerned. If the Qur'an was revealed to confirm the Torah and the Injil, perhaps this is one of the points in which it does so. 141. M. The Jews explain these passages by saying that God was addressing the angels. C. That is because the Jews reject the Gospel, which the Qur'an "confirms." But whether their explanation be right or wrong, will it explain the use of the plural in the Qur'an? 142. M. No, it will not: but the doctrine of the Trinity is contrary to the Qur'an. (Tisdall , A Manual of the Leading Muhammadan Objections to Christianity [Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, London, 1904], Chapter V, "Objections Against Certain Leading Christian Doctrines (continued)", pp. 153-154; source) Besides, the royal plural doesn’t at all help the Muslim cause since it actually implies that Allah was addressing his royal court, his heavenly council. The online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, writes in regard to the purpose and function of the royal plural: Pluralis majestatis ("majestic plural" is the plural pronoun where it is used to referto one person alone. This is also known as the " royal we " or the "Victorian we " because it has usually been restricted to august personages such as monarchs, bishops, Popes, and university rectors. The reason behind the pluralis majestatis is the idea that a monarch or other high official ALWAYS SPEAKS FOR HIS OR HER PEOPLE . Examples of purported instances: We are not amused. Queen Victoria (in at least one account of this quotation, though, she was not speaking for herself alone, BUT FOR THE LADIES OF THE COURT.) We are a grandmother. Margaret Thatcher announcing the birth of Mark Thatcher’s son Michael in 1990. It is to be distinguished from pluralis modestiae, also pluralis auctoris (inclusion of readers or listeners). For instance: Let's calculate! Leibniz We are thus led also to a definition of "time" in physics. Albert Einstein It was said that United States Navy Admiral Hyman G. Rickover told a subordinate that used the royal we: "Three groups are permitted that usage: pregnant women, royalty, and schizophrenics. Which one are you?" There is no such thing as the "Papal we". The pope may use the "Royal we". ( Source; underline and capital emphasis ours) And regarding the use of "we" this same source states: The royal we (Pluralis Majestatis) is the first-person plural pronoun when used by an important personage to refer to himself or herself. Its best known usage is by a monarch such as a king, queen, or pope. It is also used in certain formal contexts by bishops and university rectors. In the public situations in which it is used, the monarch or other dignitary is typically speaking, NOT IN HIS OWN PROPER PERSON, BUT AS LEADER OF A NATION OR INSTITUTION. Nevertheless, the habit of referring to leaders in the plural has influenced the grammar of several languages, in which plural forms tend to be perceived as deferential and more polite than singular forms. This grammatical feature is called a T-V distinction. Popes used the we as part of their formal speech up until recent times. John Paul I was the first to dispense with this practice, instead using the singular I. John Paul II continued to use the singular. The editorial we is a similar phenomenon, in which editorial columnists in newspapers and similar commentators in other media refer to themselves as we when giving their opinions. Here, the writer has once more cast himself or herself in the role of spokesman: either FOR THE MEDIA INSTITUTION who employs him, or more generally ON BEHALF OF THE PARTY OR BODY OF CITIZENS who agree with the commentary . (Source; underline and capital emphasis ours) Thus, appealing to the royal plural in order to account for the Quran’s use of plural pronouns only proves that Allah is speaking on behalf of other divine or heavenly beings. In fact, the Quran itself and early Muslim references provide evidence that the plural pronouns do indeed refer to a group, either because Allah himself is a plural entity or because there are several others associated with Allah in his works. For instance, this Muslim source actually thinks it is refuting Trinitarians when it makes the following assertion: Some Christians – because of their ignorance – think that the plural pronoun which is used to show respect in verses such as "Verily, We have given you (O Muhammad) a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1] and "Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’aan…" [Yoosuf 12:2] is proof of their false belief in trinity. Read more here..... http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_plurality.htm |
Good news. |
ifeness:I don't think I abused you singularly, hope you aren't vexed? Sometimes the reader works out the tone of a post on his own. Take care dare and have a rewarding week. |
ifeness:One BIG mistake you make is thinking atheism and science go together, in fact they are worlds apart. You also think everything in science is provable and testable? That is a very big joke! Stop looking at theists as ignorant of science, mordern science came from islamic scholars. Thanks. |
ifeness:That is why you shouldn't have bothered commenting. Let us remain delusional, its the only way we make sense of our world. One thing I know is that those same people you look at has one thing you don't have, HOPE. You have become vain in your imagination, seeking for proof where only logic is needed. Taking the entire universe in their billions, instead of marveling them in the singularity of their beauty and magestic construction, by none but the ANCIENT OF DAYS. You all have proved yourselves to be wise and became fo.ols, yes a big one. If the universe was built by random causes, why are all planets and moons spherical? Oh, they are working on it, right? Buying time, not knowing you are closer to death. Even a goat knows the Hand of the LORD has done this. Stay blessed and continue living in solitude of hopelessness, seeking to disprove His existence instead of searching for HIM. I even doubt that with the degree you've profaned the precious NAME of the LORD, you can be forgiven, but who am I to judge? |
shahydbinaliyu:Another link http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ |
shahydbinaliyu:You so funny. Did you bother reading the link of links? Flawless! Don't make me laugh. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Preservation_of_the_Qur'an Read this link and you'll melt. ![]() |
I don't care. |
The darkest hour is just before the dawn. CHANGE is by the way. |
lalasticlala:When her mates are voting with pregnancy. |
E ku ewu omo o. |
Expected |
Thanks for updating us, will send you cold Internet soft drink when Buhari is pronounced the undisputed winner. ![]() Sai Buhari! Sai Baba! |
johnydon22:" I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in MY NAME , saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed". Jeremiah 23:25 ► |
shahydbinaliyu:This is all you need http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/ |
shahydbinaliyu:You are very correct. A fōol has said in his heart, There is no God. ALL THAT REMAINS IS FINDING THE IDEAL GOD. |
johnydon22 If God doesn't exist, it is necessary to invent HIM. |
shahydbinaliyu:Are you telling me those that crammed quran didn't fight Jihad and none of them died? |
johnydon22:Is this planet intelligent? |
johnydon22:You have a complex universe, you have a lot of natural resources, you can think, walk, reproduce, you respirate and animals use it, give you oxygen, in fact, we have all we want, only LOVE is missing . Why then is it that you don't believe in God? If life came from a non intelligent process, why are we intelligent? You will say, these things would be unraveled, buying time for yourself while you continue to age. |
Justfollowit:Baby |
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