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This group is certainly not an echochamber.

During the election, we had voters from all over the Overton window and beyond .Greens,Labour,Liberal Democrats, tories even reform UK were all represented.

That is not typical of an echochamber.
We just refuse to accept the view that attempting to burn people alive is justified no matter the level of provocation,poverty and deprivation.

That is a far right argument and if you are still making that argument,then you may label yourself far right with my full blessing.

https://youtube.com/shorts/nOJv0Gw56GY?si=BaJ8Yed6spNuAHIc

1 of the racists who was at Manvers, Rotherham. Hopefully this gives you just a bit of comfort.

See the way he is even asking " am I going to a cell?". No you are not Dundee. The police will take you to Disney land. He is not that smart

ReesheesuKnack:
Finally, my sister is holding up her ‘far-left’ badge with honour.
Way to go.

Good morning MissJekyll (& Hyde).

I mean not even 7 market days ago, you were over here defending violent arsonists,terrorists and would be murderers.

But I m the one who's far left? *shrugs

Viruses:
The bolded is typical of a 'far' person. Usually not flexible on opinions/positions.

If it leads to good things happening for my community,I m going to chase whatever it is till the ends of the earth. If that's ' far left', so be it.

Say another thing,this one don old

Viruses:
Yes and it's not complex.

Not downplaying the seriousness of the issue but I heard some girls sell eggs to even buy wigs.

It is very complex. It's a serious medical procedure and should not be toyed with.

Interesting fact: intelligence is transmitted via the mother's mitochondrial genes. I m not sure how much smartness is in the mitochondria of anyone who risks life for a wig.

I can understand doing this for survival

justwise:
lol dragging Oga Lexus is like dragging VDM, e go come back stronger

Feel free to drag missjekyll, she is a politician, dragging is in line of her work lol

Lol.
I think of myself as a policymaker instead of a politician.
But ,indeed, I have broad shoulders and can take on anything and anyone in defence of the dignity of the human person. And I do not back down .

I am happy that's come through on this thread. Nobody would ever think of defending a lion . Lol. A kalili m okwu m kote as onitsha people would say ( I am stronger than the trouble I ve brought on myself )

deept:
Oh ok get what you mean, do they do this procedure in Nigeria?

Of course. Bridge Clinic.

Drlazy333:
Goodmorning everyone, PLEASE i need your help
, My visitor’s visa for a medical exam in September was approved some days ago, but due to some circumstances i want to cancel and postpone the exam to December/january. My question is, would it in any way affect mesince the purpose of the visa was the exam in September

Not at all.

AgentXxx:
There is a difference betweeen having a point in a discussion and being right. In the aspect of the underlying issues, I totally agree with her, I am science student and the law of physic states that “For every action, there is a reaction”. Now the debate now goes to “is that the right channel the reaction is to directed to?” and I believe this is exactly Zahra29’s view and not like she is supporting their violence attitude when she is also prone to be a victim..

So the next time I feel aggrieved ,can I attack my neighbours too? Instead of petitioning the government the actual cause of my woes,can I burn down the travelodge with people in them?
Was that an equal reaction?

I would like to request that we personalise this discussion. Instead of just saying "immigrants" say "I" , "my job" etc etc. See if you still want to accept any responsibility for these riots. I ,an immigrant ,do not accept any of the responsibility for these riots.
I return them squarely back to the rioters . None of my actions caused this. They own this 100%.

Debriefing.

I think the worst of these riots are over now. I have switched my summer plans back on. If you ,like me, love schadenfreude, then we are both in for a treat watching these mouthbreathers get banged up in jail.

These riots made me have a rethink of my place in this country ( am I wanted,is there a future for me etcetera) but, after watching the quick reaction from the government and the massive outpouring of support from the people of the UK,I feel secure once again.
It will take a while to heal the wounds from the riots and some of our children may never forget it but it is hoped that the wrath of the state visited on these miscreants will start to sew these wounds together.please feel free to share your own thoughts on this unfortunate events and the best way to heal as a community.

Having said that, I ve read from quite a few people on here that Zahra's views are right and the problem was the timing.

If I m not mistaken,her contention is that the rioters have legitimate grievances for the violence visited on all of us this past week. That they have been victims of deprivation,poverty directly linked to us immigrants. And that is why they decided to maim us and destroy livelihoods .

I say that is not true. I have no powers except that vested in me by occupying the office of the citizen. I pay my taxes dutifully and work in the public service of this country. No-one in the country could be found to do my job when I migrated(still can't be replaced even now).I haven't taken any jobs.i make no policies.
If anything, I am also a victim of deprivation and poverty directly linked to disastrous government policies.

You can now see why I have an issue with the content of her messaging.

(I stand to be corrected if I misread her message)

This man is no longer relevant as his party was kicked out a month ago. His trash policy are now in the compost where they belong

Hkana:
I don't like how the thread has suddenly taken a Everyone else-against-Zahra turn. She's expressed her opinions which she's entitled to and everyone else is as well entitled to theirs.
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I see. Anyone who expresses an opinion should be ready to defend their position and take all the smoke associated with it. That goes for you too

Not a single one of those comments made a physical threat against her.

May I suggest that you take her aside (as her friend and supporter) and advice her that not every argument is good for "devil's advocate" .

I m typing this from my home/bunker where I m currently holed up in terror. Forgive me for my lack of patience with "devil's advocates".

ReesheesuKnack:
The UK has welcomed more immigrants during Tory rule than during all non-Tory rules combined.
In 1 year of Tory rule alone, net migration was over 650,000. Tell me any non-Tory government that has ever done that?
The Number of Nigerians (alone) that migrated to the UK (under a Tory health & care visa) within the last 2 years is in hundreds of thousands.

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You know dang well none of that was intentional. It was all due to their woeful failures. But rather than admit we needed immigrants to run this country, they hypocritically spout anti immigration rhetoric in front while approving hundreds of thousands of work visas secretly.

Dpharisee:
Trump now has the largest black men support for a Republican candidate in several years at 23%, Mitt Romney had 6% when he contested against Obama

So what? Black men are wrong.

mandarin:
A lot of these polls will fall flat like in 2016. I still don't get what Africa gained when Obama was president, he didn't even visit Nigeria because maybe we didn't embrace his rainbow colour. Its appalling that such destructive policies are championed by the so called blacks who uses race as the only thing to curry votes.
I have not seen any single intelligent discussion by Kamala and its even more terrible when Nigerians are pushing for a pro abortion candidate, pro LGBT+ candidate because she is black. I mean, I can't imagine anything more unreasonable

More reasonable to vote the rapist and 419 wayo man ,isn't it?
Serial adulterer and known liar. How does that square with your "Christian values"

lavida001:
Na online you dey. You fit dey talk all you like to make yourself happy. When people wey get country ready, I go see whether you go ask dem if they are Celtics or rangers.

Na dem I blame sha wey open doors. If them no take time dem go collect country for them hand.

Most of the things dey tolerate can’t happen in other the so called Asian countries.

Make I mind my African and Nigerian business jejely.

This is rather sad to see. But if you choose to perch like a stranger where you are in fact a full-blown citizen,who am I to stop you?

Just to correct the record for everyone reading,He is 100% wrong. He has obviously chosen to believe the lies of the far right.
But you don't have to act like him. If anyone makes this "argument" to you,shut them down immediately.

Native my foot.

AgentXxx:
Zahra29

The main issue people are having with your comment which you seems not to grab is the timing of your arguments. It should come later when it is all calm and not at the moment when POC are living in fear being harmed or maimed.

If your family were in the position of harm during this riot, I believe you wouldn’t come here defending why they were being attacked.

An important aspect of emotional intelligence is timing.

My main issue with her argument is that it's flawed. These violent racist thugs do not have any locus standi for these devastating attacks.
The Judges agree with me on this...

lavida001:
I laugh at your own country. This are the things you lots say that pisses them off. You get British passport doesn’t make it your country. We all know who the natives are, you are just a British passport holder the indigenes know themselves.

Lol.
The only indigenes here are the celts. Everyone else came here from somewhere including the Anglo-Saxons .

Yes,it's my country too. I ve earned the right to call it that and demand all the privileges that affords me with audacity. Anyone who tries to say otherwise and deprive me of those privileges ll meet me in court.

Don't be scared. It's your country too. Noone can act otherwise .

Just in passing: you weren't among the people saying Yoruba Ronu during the last election ,were you? because that was bs too

ehizario2012:
In the final analysis, the government has to do something about that £8m spent daily on immigrants who came through the channels as it were... That money is indeed much. And there's definitely a difference between migrants who came in through Heathrow and those who came in via the boats. The chances of a well documented immigrant involving in crime would be so much lower than those undocumented immigrants surviving under the radar. Unfortunately, the far right nationalists don't see any difference, they even attack BAME British citizens.

Yay. Was about to mention you again.

There is no excuse for these racist riots. None.
There are ways of addressing concerns, dragging people out of cars and beating them, chasing people with chain saws, burning people alive is not it. Simple and short.

I m happy to report that many of these despicable racists are now in the finding out phase of F**k around, Find out.

The police and courts are underresourced but nicely there is no statute of limitations on rioting. They will find out and I ll be giggling from the sidelines.

Stay safe. We are sharing sit reps on the town WhatsApp group.
My next plan is to set up a buddy system.

See if that can work in your town too. Hopefully your children can still have some fun activities this summer.

Zahra29:
You often are.

I have no idea what you're going on about tbh.

As I've already advised, if you don't think boat crossings should be stopped or criminalised, you should campaign to Labour HQ to CHANGE the law. Because so far that's not been included by Labour in the change that was voted for.

Oh Good. And I ll be even more rude to you if you try to both-sides these bigoted criminals. On this thread of all places. With people reporting that they are literally indoors with their kids out of fear.

"Legitimate issues" my foot.

Zahra29:
Yes we do, or else the same riots/ protests will keep happening up whether in Harehills or Rotherham or elsewhere.

The criminals will receive swift and steep punishments and penalties - it's already happening. It doesn't stop the deeper societal issues from being looked into after the dust has settled. Most people can walk and chew gum at the same time you know.

Anyways these discussions are already being had behind closed doors regardless of your views - watch out for new policy announcements in the coming months.

Isn't that what everyone voted for a month ago? Change? Did they need to turn to attempted murder and theft to make an additional point?

What did I do to deserve fearing for my life in my own country kwa? All plans for summer cancelled? Fear on my way to work? Contingency mapping routes of escape?Did I approve the billions wasted on Rwanda and housing asylum seekers? What is my part in this?

If I say that I ve filed your opinion in a bin now,people ll say I m rude.

HARRIS/WALZ2024! YEEEHAW!!!

LETS GO!!!!!

Zahra29:
💯

We should be able to have a broader, rational discourse about some of the underlying issues and general discontent felt even by those who are not protesting, without being accused of supporting the violence.

No ,you don't. QED.

They lost that right when they tried to burn those people alive. When they dragged people out of their cars. We are back to the bad old days of the p*** bashing in the 70s. There is no discussion to be had with criminals.

They are getting banged up now and good riddance to them. Hopefully there ll be enough space to jail them all and enough judges to sentences them after 14 yrs of your mates misrule of the country.


The most tragic result of that is the loss of innocence for minorities in this country. Humza Yousaf spoke of questioning his own identity and belief in his Scottish Ness. He is not the only one saying that today.

Zahra29:
Not according to the Illegal Migration Act which the UK government passed into law in 2023. According to the law:

The Illegal Migration Act 2023 changes the law so that those who arrive in the UK illegally will not be able to stay here and will instead be detained and then promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country.

The act aims to:

put a stop to illegal migration into the UK by removing the incentive to make dangerous small boat crossings
.....


Just stating facts.

You might want to check with Labour HQ if they have any plans to rescind this law and endorse boat crossings as a legal and acceptable route of migration to the UK

Fun fact: Up until last year, Albanians made up a significant proportion of people crossing by boat - until the UK government made a deal with the Albanian govt to stop its citizens.
Albania is considered a safe country, not at war and is even a candidate country to join the European Union, so it is a bit naive to think that only genuine wartorn refugees and asylum seekers are crossing over from Europe to get to the UK. E.g. Some are fleeing deportation from Germany and France, similar to some UK migrants that are crossing to Ireland to apply for asylum there.

I see . Shouldn't they be banged up on stepping foot on british soil then? Why is that not happening? Some "laws " are only good for loo roll. This is one of them. Asylum seeking is not a crime under international law. How you arrive does not matter

Not everyone is a genuine asylum seeker. That's why you process the claims,sift out the liars and deport them.
This is not rocket science

Goodenoch:
Who; specifically, are these illegal migrants and under what law are they illegal?

Thank you Goodenoch. E don set. Rishi tell us what crime asylum seekers are guilty of and why they haven't been arrested.


TIP: They are NOT guilty of any crime. You are allowed to come here to claim asylum by any means possible.
Prior to 2018, very few were choosing this deadly route because there were other safer routes available. However, those other routes are all now closed off leaving the perilous channel crossing as the ONLY route.
It's not a choice,there is no other way

OkanlawonB:
Presently, one cannot be too carefull being in the UK, just yesterday night walking to my accommodation after picking some items from an

Aldi branch which is close to the Library that was razed last friday night in NW, appeared two white hefty lads one was already on mask, the

second was about to cover his face and seemed to increase their walking speed towards me, i was convinced they were up to something, i took

a swift spontaneous reaction by retreating immediately acting as if i forgot at Aldi. I would otherwise have been defenceless against them with

their bladed weapons.

Gosh, this is soo scary

kwakudtraveller:
Please stay safe, everyone. I’ve seen videos, and it’s getting uglier by the minute, with some protesters showing off their Nazi tattoos. There’s also a list of cities and locations of planned arson attacks circulating, and my city is on that list. Keeping every BAME in my thoughts and prayers.

Hi kwaku,what steps are you taking to keep safe?
Are you plugged to a network of BAME? Can you run to a church or mosque? Who can help if your house is surrounded?

Call and email your councillor and MP. Ask what they are doing to protect you.

Here in my town ,police are now patrolling the asylum seekers refuge. I m plugged into a WhatsApp of BAME people and we share regular updates to get advance warning of touchpoints


Tip: I would run to the nearest hospital too. Hospital has security, police ll respond like Mr flash, fear no go gree rioters step inside hospital.

jedisco:
No vex my sister. Let's say you and Zahra are on extreme ends of the spectrum. No more far this or far that. Hope we're good now

No we are not. I am not extreme. All the policies I talk about here are labour policies. Are you saying we have an extremist government? Most of the country would disagree.

Meanwhile ehizario hasn't replied.

Nigerians usually don't say "it's well" unless it's very much not well.

My town has a WhatsApp group for Nigerians and we are posting updates on there.
This is a good time to get added to any group like this in your town. Just in case

Zahra29:
It was a Holiday Inn housing asylum seekers which I'm sure Ehizario is not.

The fire was in a rubbish bin in front of the hotel, not the actual ground floor of the hotel.
That's bad enough, but let's not add to it by spreading misinformation

You can clearly see that they have piled 2 skips onto one another and set fire to both against the side of the building. Clearly trying to burn down the building .

Keep going ,Zahra. I m looking forward to seeing exactly what you stand for.

I note that you have also conflated the 2011 riots and BLM protests. Tell me how many times blm protestors dragged out and beat up uber drivers, tried to burn hotels with people in them and assaulted people of a different skin colour as just happened in Manchester? Did they also hurl bricks at the police while shrieking the p word?

These rioters have done all this and more but you are babying them and blaming it on anger,inequality and whatever you're blaming it on this month.

Remember that "far" definition? You are skating very close to that line

ehizario2012:
Wow, riots right here at Manvers, Holiday Inn, almost all its window glasses broken already. It is well.

Gosh. Are you okay? How can I help? Just pop it in the timeline. Starmer needs to get a grip. I saw the mob setting fire to the ground floor of a hotel that had occupants in the upper floors. It was a holiday inn? Are you there? You need to get out.


And at least 2 ubers, drivers were dragged out and beaten.

Heartlessness and wickedness

lavida001:
Why is the term far right and far left suddenly everywhere.

Some people have started using the term without knowing what they mean.
Iike some sort of UK based obahiagbons. Lol