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Iran wants a nuclear weapon. I believe their protestations that the technology is for electrical power are false. Their reasons for wanting the weapon vary.
1) They believe the US wants to destroy them. The current bad blood between both countries is a convergence of several events. The removal of the Shah of Iran who was backed by the US, the Hostage crisis of the late 70's, the Iran-Iraq war when Saddam used US-provided WMD on the Iranians, killing millions of them, as well as all the inflamatory comments made by the Iranian rulers i.e. calling the US, Great Satan.
2) Iran's ruling class wants to be able to dominate the Mid-east.
3) India and Pakistan who are neighbours in the Near-east both have nucs.
4) Iran does not trust Israel.
So essentially they want to be able to nuc any other country that attacks them like Iraq did, even if the other country does not have nucs.

Why do it now? Well there is no better time. The US is too busy in Iraq, China wants their Oil at favorable prices, and everybodyelse is scared of complaining so they don't raise Oil prices. Putin is also distracted by trying to raise Russia's profile again.

While I support thier "right" to nucs I really don't trust them. Something tells me Israel will do everyone a favor and bomb their facilities, but that will only make the Iranians more desperate.

One other thing to note. Iraq's most powerful politicians are supported by Iran. Something tells me the US might just regret going into Iraq if Ahmedinajad part 2 starts in Iraq.

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sbucareer:
@AfricanBoy try these IDE. We use it in my company. Believe me my company is big Software giant in the UK.

1. Eclipse Developed by IBM (International Business Machine)
2. Netbeans Popular among Sun download for Java JVM

Seems like sbucarreer stole my thunder

Can I ask if your issues with "Write once, Run anywhere" were related to development for Cellphones?

africanboy:
Send me a "GOOD" GUI/IDE tool, and SDK and I will try it again even just for the sake of proving why it should be buried.

Most of my work is not on gui's or user interaction, so I tend to build the few gui's I develop from scratch. i.e no Visual stuff. I also never trusted the IDE to optimize it properly. The IDE I use is very popular and free. I also use it to handle my C++ development http://www.eclipse.org/. You probably already know it. I don't beleive it handles visual dev though, I'm not sure.

But why should an IDE play a major role in your language choice. That is wrong if it does. I understand having good development tools but making the IDE a major part of design decisions is wrong.

africanboy:
Java was an idea light years ahead of its time, but unfortunately it was not properly managed. From the hype, it seemed people would not rest until every electrical applicance had java programmes running on them.

Well using Jv inappropriately is wrong. Its like using C/asm for a user app. Doable but wrong. Its meant for low-level systems development. The issues that Jv has with WORA, are the same ones any language that attempts to the do the same will run into. I beleive it is a little presumptious to assert that it was improperly managed.

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africanboy:
symbian sis games are just better with better graphics.
java applications on the PC, nah, not interested. i started using the PC in 1999 and got exposed to some win3.1 for workgroup. java apps remind of just that. why would i want to use an application that loks like that.

Yes I agree Java's gui/graphics issues are well known. It has to do with the way the language was designed to avoid relying on facilities of the native PC i.e. win32, *nix, apple/bsd, symbian. Native guis rely on the native api calls alot. Jv uses a default look-and-feel instead. It is very ugly, very very. There are native look-and-feels but the developer has to activate it in his code. They look much better.

africanboy:
java is not an evolution of c++, concepts differ entirely, in my opinion.

The concepts do differ and Jv was not meant to replace C++, however Jv did attempt to learn from the "issues" with C++, bounds checking, runaway pointers etc. Jv still has runaway "pointer" issues though.

africanboy:
i want to write a simple program in java and i must code the interface like i were use turbo C in DOS. no thanks.
i know there are GUI builders - jbuilder etc, but even their interface is not as conducive the "visual studio" anybody agree?

Come on, lets not blame the failure of the IDE to provide you an environment you are comfortable with, on the language you develop with the IDE.

africanboy:
case sensitivity in coding kills me. period.

Case sensitivity is for your(human) benefit. Trust me. Let me explain, how would you like to read/maintain code that has a single variable/field referred to as VAR,Var,vAR,VAr in different places, all because the original developer misspelled. You probably know by now that naming conventions are a good thing, especially when you are dealing with tens/hundreds of thousands of lines in a codebase. And don't get me started on Hungarian notation or what ever MS uses now.

africanboy:
with the current trend of software as services, how does java hope to catch up, will everyone have to download a 130mb SDK to compile a source code. maybe not.

Lets remember that no language is a catch-all. Java was not designed with that in mind, not even the grand-daddies C&C++ will handle that gracefully. Besides why download and compile/interpret when you can have AJAX achieve a similar purpose, and guess what a bunch of the server side apps will be running. That's right Java. Besides how is an app SaaS if you are compiling. It means I already have the executable. Its no longer a service, besides if a user does not want to install apps(hence the reason for SaaS) why will they want to compile them instead.

Your contention that users will not download a runtime engine to run Java apps is only an issue because the guys in Redmond(Microsoft) no longer provide a VM on their boxes. Guess what, it's a one-time download. If the user browses the web, they will eventually need a VM to run the applets they will encounter. Most MS users are already used to multiple downloads, except if you do not patch your box against viruses.

Final point it is definitely extreme to say Java has failed. If it has failed it will disappear from the market rapidly. What happened to the language ADA despite all the money the US DoD pumped into it. Going as far as forcing their contractors to use it. It disappeared. It is only if the same fate befalls Jv that you can conclude it has failed. Barring that hold your fire.

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