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pluto3: This is not abt writing articles... this your article is as foolish as i tink u r.... CMD has been existing ever since and now u want to change it to ur own benefit... johesu is just a coward entity.... since u said u r d same as a doctor... den go ahead n do wat dey need to do since dey r on strike... when nurses n johesu went on strike... d younger doctors were doing d work of nurses n even running lab tests... am not trying to say doctors dont need johesu..but rather hospital is known for doctors, nurses n others...even though d nurses hav decided to join johesu... so i tink d strike shud continue... until EVERY thing get back on track...simple...

infolekan: And you seem to think the major problem with that isn't our health facilities? We just don't have the equipments. Name any sector in Nigeria where we have any facility in the top 100 anything in the world.
Read about malpractice in the US or UK with their advanced machines and you'll realise half of what it takes to make a diagnosis.
For me.....Nurses and Pharmacists are professionals in their field,we just need a proper job description.

otokx: The thing about discussing with people of low mentality is that they reduce you to their low level and then go further to finish you.

Look at the write up and the premise and logic build. So incoherent, hear the writer say he took classes with biochemistry and physiology students. Those are not medicine students, he did a debate with medicine students on international and national issues and he won. They did not debate on health issues. He wrote an exam based on past mcq of medicine. Chai - this must be an expose in low self esteem aka inferiority complex.

A nurse will always be a nurse and that is to care for the patient and aid the doctor. Be happy and content with what you do. This being content and proud of what you do is a problem in Nigeria.

allycat: Training of all other medical personnel can take place outside a teaching hospital. It is only medical students that require a teaching hospital for their clinicals . The pharmacist, medical laboratory scientist, radiographers and nurses are employed by the teaching hospital purely for service, they are not employed by the university to teach and then seconded to the hospitals as is the case for medicine. Even where a University runs those courses their lecturers remain university staff and do not work in the hospitals. I hope you are aware that the salary of an honorary consultant level for level is almost the same as that of a full time consultant. They collect their salary from the university and the teaching hospital pays them a clinical supplementation that makes it at par to a colleague who is purely clinical. Unlike what many JOHESU members think consultants are not paid 2 salaries. As I said the average honorary consultant is an academic, he would do less work and with less stress if he remained a clinical specialist only.

drcakes: Naija Nurses Forum

Igbojionu Ijeoma Joy >
Pls what is d best treatment to a 14wks primip who complains of having lower uterine contraction

Edafeadhe Onome:
Now that the doctors are on strike what will you do? Are you going to their houses and call them that a patient is having pre-term contractions. Say something reasonable.
This is the opportunity Nurses
have to prove their worth in the hospital.
Thanks for all your
contributions. What of Ergometrin or dexamethasone. These drugs helps to reduce spasms.

Fernandez01: If from the bottom of your heart you believe that you have more knowledge of medicine and degrees than a doctor then I recommend a thorough brain evaluation for you . If you had even the most rudimentary knowledge of healthcare delivery and at least an almost average IQ you'll see through the deceit in the post . If the paramedics are as knowledgeable as they claim , then why is it that the so called 'knowledgeable support staff of yours ' can't fill in the shoes of the striking doctors. capisce

Fernandez01: If from the bottom of your heart you believe that you have more knowledge of medicine and degrees than a doctor then I recommend a thorough brain evaluation for you . If you had even the most rudimentary knowledge of healthcare delivery and at least an almost average IQ you'll see through the deceit in the post . If the paramedics are as knowledgeable as they claim , then why is it that the so called 'knowledgeable support staff of yours ' can't fill in the shoes of the striking doctors. capisce

Fernandez01: @op the only thing cogent about your write-up is the grammar in which it was expressed . Apart from that it is full of known facts distorted to establish your biased stance . The gullible may read your post and fall for your subtle deception , but a discerning mind will always see the falsehood embedded in your write-up.
No where in the world is a doctor's training at par with that of a nurse. So the fact that your were breast-fed with a little pathology does not mean your understanding of the pathologic basis of diseases is as indepth as that of doctor. Though you claim you were tutored with the same notes,I can bet you that the exams were not the same. Besides the standards used to examine medical students is not the same as that used to examine a nurse. In my days one mark is subtracted for every question you fail (that's negative marking for you) .
The falsehood expressed in your post is certainly laced with the same stupidity you are complaining about. This post of yours is obviously tailored to delude the less informed masses. The error in diagnosis you mentioned above is a result of our failed healthcare system characterized by inadequate equipments and not necessarily due to a doctor's incompetence ,even in the US with all their glory and splendor in medicine patients still die due to misdiagnosis ( review Dora akunyili's case of cancer starting from the onset )
And please winning a debate and scoring higher that 'some' medical students does not make you special , the medical school as a whole regardless of your field of study (medicine , physiotherapy etc ) is a pool of brilliant minds however your training is different from that of a doctor so don't expect the same responsibilities . Besides a student's grade is influenced by many factors so those people you think your first year result surpassed theirs may be more brilliant than you many times over ( personally I always score excellent grades but I don't consider myself better than those who at one point or the other score less because the university is full of many factors that can distract a student )
Just for the records that academic achievement you think you have that makes you assume that you have arrived is no big deal , postgraduate degrees (phd ,msc etc) are very common among doctors infact most doctors go ahead to obtain international fellowships (fwas ,frcs , frcp etc) so stop getting high on your relative under achievement

twoondei: There are pharmacy technicians and lab technicians who are "auxiliary" to the pharmacists and lab scientists. However, medical training is too detailed and sensitive to permit such. There are minute details you pick by mere observations. Only a doctor can explain this. No matter how long you practice as a nurse, you can't be a good doctor.

dumodust: ok... i'm sure you meant her profile not portfolio
anyway, below is what i saw on wikipaedia and i'm guessing that's where u got the info
Dr. (Mrs.) Dora Nkem Akunyili, who assumed office on the 12th of April 2001, as the Director General of National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control (NAFDAC), is a Pharmacist, Pharmacologist, Erudite Scholar, Seasoned Administrator, and a visionary leader. She was a Senior Lecturer and Consultant Pharmacologist in the College of Medicine, University of Nigeria, Nsukka (U.N.N.), Enugu Campus, before she became the NAFDAC boss
i'm not taking anything away from Dora, but number one, this profile is not up to date... she was a professor. secondly, the senior lecturer and professors are the recognised university appointments. I'm yet to meet a consultant pharmacologist, and consultant positions are for either hospital appointments(maybe UNTH not UNN, not sure but it may not have been possible then) industrial or contractual for organisations.
wikipaedia is open to all for editing, so even wrong info dey there.
now the link below seems more authoritative...read it
http://www.doraakunyilionline.org/

dumodust: Dora was a professor of pharmacy in UNN and head of NAFDAC, i'm not aware that she was a consultant pharmacist, it is supposed to be an appointment and not acquired. 'Medical' pharmacology is not pharmacy so no basis for comparison... pharmacy certainly has other courses that involve how to produce drugs, dispense etc etc that will certainly take longer than your time interval. And pharmacology in my med school was not done in six months, dont know were you get your info from because i didnt say so, can obviously see you are not in this country or familiar with programme here. The courses ran concurrently for 1-2yrs with your clinical posting etc... and any point in time, your are reading more than one or 2 courses and doing some postings... no high horse here, just relaying information.... the same way u talk about U.S, i dont have detailed info about there premed system anyway.
wonder why u think there's a high horse
wetin u read self?

webincomeplus: Your long story can never justify why nurses should give prescriptions. It has never been part of their job and it will never be. Any nurse who gives prescriptions is going out of the scope of her job!

Or are you oblivious of the fact that some nurses give prescriptions? Is that right?

dumodust: when i say extensive, i mean extensive.... its in the degree of work done...no semesters, no defined breaks, continous work, serial lab work, cadaver(dead body) dissection, scope finished, books read... exams = passed/failed/demoralized and so on. maybe you should buy a form and try to get in to see how it is. in nigeria, u may come with a degree or transfer from another course if exceptional with good cgpa. in united states, premed do short degree in biological sciences or anatomy(about 2-3yrs) before continuing with medicine. i guess its for them to have more academic career options or to have an alternate career if they dont make it . we had degree holders, some first class materials in my class and some didnt make it, many dropped out and this is just the first professional and simplest MB exam.
what else is your definition of extensive? some blokes read 4 yrs on handout without even knowing what's in standard books, take long breaks in between semesters... like i said, my year one was pure bliss, my last major holiday... people who got into medicine already knew what they were in for, it's sparta... that's you need high scores in entry exams to get in
NOTE: 2nd MB is 3 courses not 4 like you listed- its human anatomy, physiology and biochemistry.3rd MB(4th year) in my school was pathology and pharmacology plus your first long surgery and medical posting. pathology is the biggest- 10 courses under one umbrella and microbiology was one of them

dumodust: he has the effontery because it was really extensive, stressful, painful and heartbreaking for so many. people ran mad reading... and i know how many times i finished the textbooks for the 3 courses in 2nd MBBS exam in less than 2yrs before facing the bloody exams with heavy casualties, and the emphasis is on humans... human biocehmistry, human physiology, human anatomy... not plants, goats, sheep and aliens ... in contrast, the year one program we shared with faculty of sciences was laboriously slow... chem 101 was a few pages in a book blown out of proportion and spread out to last a semester ...so many irrelevant details stretched out for miles which could have been better summarized... we were so bored we tore the place up and broke the record for A's... d days for results were always fun . if your brain no reach, say so and conveniently fail out like you probably did so that they can arrange one subcourse for you over 12yrs

armadeo: you are sure

phantomm: hell would freeze over before the bolded happens!

phantomm: In Nigeria since when has the public sympathy/opinion ever gotten anything done...we all are selfish..even when I discuss with members of the public they say 'I get your point, but you have to see patients ..people will die'.... and I tell them my profession is dying and you want me to stand and do nothing...what did any of you do when this started?, how many of you have ever stood up for the dr beyond wanting free health services? How many of you ever considered striking or crying for me when these issues started getting waves?...nobody.....meanwhile engineers dont want technicians to be called engineers, barristers dont want clerks to be addressed as barristers or SAN, pharmacists wont want chemists to be employed as pharmacists and there is even a running battle between nutritionists and dieticians....I am tired...I am not proud but I take pride in my profession, I dont claim to be superior but I know am very good at what I do....till the day I see a truly altruistic nigerian....I am really not interested in public sympathy...finito...

benjichuks: We should leave now so you will continue spreading your falsehoods unchallenged... Nah



Ahhh, do you even know what the hippocratic oath is all about? Please just go and see the 'consultant nurses' et al and let us be.

allycat: In the developed world where people respect their boundaries and there are strong regulating bodies, yes physiotherapist do have some measure of indigence and may be the person of first contact for people with neuromuscular injuries. But in Nigeria with physiotherapist that who believe they can handle conditions like strokes on their own it will be a recipe for disaster. The doctor cannot do everything on his own nd that is why you have doctors referring patients for physiotherapy, sending them to radiographers for radiologic investigations which will aid our diagnosis admitting in wards for nursing care and prescribing drugs which are dispensed or where necessary compounded by pharmacist. The problem now is other health care professionals now want to consult and diagnose and manage patients beyond their scope of training.

allycat: Thank God you know that after a stroke the patient is taken to hospital and the condition confirmed , patient stabilised and only sent for rehabilitation. Your words not mine.

xanchu: Please guys, we should always reason out things before we speak. NMA hasn't gone on 'too many strikes' because I can't remember the last NMA strike. Secondly, in western would, foreign nurses get jobs easier than foreign doctors not because of relevance of certificates but because doctors decide how and when a life ends, putting him in a more god-like position that requires careful selection of those that fill in that position. Doctors have to write another 3-step exams or more than that to practice abroad in the US. Even at that, nigeria has the second largest number of foreign doctors in the UK and many more of such across the world. From statistics more than half of nigerian-born and nigerian made doctors work outside the shores of this country. And that's not because the rest can't go, but because of their love and empathy for our fatherland. If this love and empathy is abused. Am afraid we would have nurses and other paramedics running the public hospitals here. But u see, more than half of nigerian nurses are not Bsc nursing holders. They went to nursing training schools, not a university and thus, are not qualified nurses who can work outside nigeria. Perhaps let's look into NMA's claim, where has a court clerk/legal assistant sort the post of Minister of justice and Judge in the court, where has a non academic staff sort the post of Vice Chancellor, where has a medical doctor sort the post of chief of army staff Where has an Engineering assistant sorted the post of chief Engineer of a state Where have you seen an accountant as the Surveyor-general of a state. Every sector of the country is intertwined in rendition of service. E.g a doctor works as an army officer but has never been the Chief of army staff, he is a suPport staff there. So support staff in the hospitals are can not be chief medical director(COMMAND), a pharmacist is a pharmacist anywhere in the wide world, why must nigerian pharmacist crave the title of 'doctor' this is an aberration, everyone should know their place and if place aren't good enough, go to school and study your new love profession. You can't eat you cake and another person's own. You must be a witch!!!
This issue has been on for a long time, its more than meets the eye. Doctors in nigeria overwork and don't get paid for it, doing a lot of selfless things all for the good of the patient and if these patients don't see anygood in them, well am afraid what'll become of the system. The same JEHOSU members who are 'more' important than doctors still come to the clinics themselves with their relatives begging for kinder attention and assistance. You can't bite the finger that feeds you.
Let's privatize the health system, afterall, the government hasn't done its obligation of providing cheap medical services. Then, everyone in the sector would know his/her true positions and either work or leave.