₦airaland Forum

mbulela: So lab technologists are saints?

What brings Lab technologist to the discussion thought he is a doctor.

Chanchit: I don't know what to even say to this ur "dnt wash ur dirty linens in public" comment, where is the public..? Is he not a Nigerian..?

I presumed the poster is a doctor.

matify: No profession has monopoly of corruption.

Its personal discipline not to pilfer public funds when thrust with the opportunity.

However, how was this man cleared by the National assembly to occupy such a lofty office with such background ?

Hope so.

Stop washing your dirty linens in public.
It lays credence to a lot of allegations against doctors in administrative positions.

Permit me to share my thought.

These exodus will create room for creation of Nurse practitioners, physician assistants, extension of prescribing power to a whole lots of other professionals......even a change in course curriculum of the essential health professionals to practice more advanced medical procedures as is in some advance countries........Mozambique's midwife's performing cesarean section and some obstetrics procedures, clinical officers in East Africa etc.....comes to mind. By then it won't be about allowances but about being relevant.

Do you want that?
Are you going to run as a coward because the land is getting too hot for you?
Fight your fight and help settle Nigerian health sector or your profession will go to the dogs.

Sagamite: He possibly is.

Is it not the same Nigeria where our doctors are taught "Highest Average" in their medical statistical analytics.

Arabian prince and highest average.

- Health Minister, Prof. Onyebuchi Chukwu
THERE had been problems with the training which also informed the
ongoing doctors' strike. The suspension is with all Federal Government
hospitals, State teaching hospitals are not affected. Government
suspended the training to allow for critical investigation and come up
with better ways to improve the training.
As a group they have not been participating in the management of Ebola. So it is not as
if they will be missed. However, the Federal Government decided to suspend residency
training in only its hospitals, we have no power to suspend the " programme in Lagos
state and I guess other states are still running, training is still ongoing in private
institutions and all institutions that regulate and accredit medical training, so the
National Post Graduate Medical College, and the West African Medical College will
continue to do their work. But in those hospitals belonging to the Federal Government,
we just feel that we needed the space, to take a look and make it better that it is so that
we can get the best from the programme.
It is not a permanent thing; it is just to allow us to appraise the programme. But of
course, if you close a programme in a university, you cannot keep the students idle. They
either go for another course meanwhile or they wait indefinitely. After that, we will restart
the programme. He said he will be advised on the appraisal. We keep forgetting that no
doctor has
been stopped from working. Some of them may want to volunteer for this Ebola
response. If any of them volunteers I would recommend them to the President. That is
my job as the Minister of Health. In a university when you temporarily suspend a
programme, why must you keep the students?

WWW.medicaworldnigeria.com



Please explain this. Thanks

bushdoc9919: Not entirely accurate....NARD has been on strike for longer....and has had separate issues with the Government.

One thing about the NMA-JOHESU spat.....you can't have a soccer/association football team with eleven captains. That's all the NMA is saying....plus JOHESU is refusing to clarify fully what a consultant nurse will do....or a consultant pharmacist. Having too many leaders of the team treating the patient is bad for said patient's care.

It all come down to this again....power tussle. Call them in for a discussion to ascertain how they wish to achieve such.

I hope resident doctors have a strong plan B that is quite unshakeable. Your men are at the top with these shiiiiiit happening I wonder what will happen when the reverse will be the case.

bushdoc9919: The Resident Doctors are on strike under the auspices of NARD....and their strike started a month before NMA's strike.

A large part of NARD'S demands include improved training facilities.....as well as improved funding for residency training....which would enable, among other things, increase in spaces for more residents.

Plus,NMA's current strike is in counter to JOHESU....but the NMA too has been on strike for better facilities before.

Which item number is listed on the 24 items for better facilities, you know they joined up their demands to make up the 24 demands without any references to better facilities. NMA is a collection of all doctors Union in Nigeria, NARD is part of NMA. So their demands are all and one.

bushdoc9919: Here is the problem you have.

You are angry with all doctors because they are on strike...and because you know you cannot do without them.So,you lash out and ask them to return to their work.

The thing is,most of you people do not think about the conditions that your average health care worker works under. We lack a lot of facilities, we have bad light and water supply ,and we work long hours. And there are too few of us....right now there are 40,000 doctors for 160million people.(That is why most Nigerians never see a doc....there are too few of us.).

Now, the reason why there are few doctors is due to the fact that 1.)Because of poor funding for the university system....we do not have enough lecturers...and enough places to train lots of new student doctors.2).We have such bad and limited facilities that many of us have gone out of the country because we are tired of seeing patients die in our presence because we lacked X or could not make the diagnosis on time because of Y....or we don't have drug Z.

Solving those problems are part of the reason why the residents are on strike. Now...a little info....the NARD...that is the resident doctors union....have been on strike for longer than NMA. And a big part of the reason why they are on strike is for improved training facilities, and improved funding for residency....because a big part ofour residency is the clinical research they do....and both require money.

But you don't see that...all you see arrogant doctors. And you see the fact that you lost a friend in the hospital....and you think it was our negligence that did it.True...some of us are negligent....and some are arrogant. But most of the time...patients suffer in our hospita lbecause....thanks to lackoffunding....we do not have the means to help them.(And it makes me feel sad....when we have lost the stroke case because we did not have a CT scan to find out on time that she had a hemorrhagic stroke).

In my opinion,NMA and JOHESU ,as I have said several times on here....should join hands and fight for better funding for the health care sector...because what docs go through....nurses, pharmacists et al go through. Right now...we are in an egocentric fight over titles. But that does not mean we are also not fighting for better facilities....especially through the medium of NARD.

I hope you see the problem. Or maybe you don't want to...because solving it means either increasing funding for health care OR raising fees for services....so that government can pay for new facilities. It also means doing the same for university education. Regardless of what you think....we docs(including me, who has worked in rural care for most of my working life) want to serve you better. But we can't continue to do that under policies that generate acrimony between members of the health care team....as well as awful facilities.

But of course you do not have to agree with me.

Still....our health care system is in crisis.And it isn't the staff's fault.

You have a noble heart but what you sited here differs from the 24 itemized demands made by NMA,maybe because you are working in the private sector.

These irks me from these article ........Professor of paralegal studies ?!!!!!!!! Paralegal is not a distinct profession. Paralegal or rather legal assistant. Who the hell do you think is a professor of paralegal if not the legal experts themselves.

Using law as an analogue in argument like this is flawed because law is the only discipline and profession that exist on its own, while medical faculty has a lot of schools/ department/professions making it up.

Trusall..... Thanks for this analysis.

WWW.ekekeee.com
a very funny website to cull a sensitive news like this.
How credible is this news.

onatisi: thanks bro. If I am dating a lady and suddenly she change to hare krishna worshipping by bringing incense and other indian things into my house I won't think twice to leave her. It is obvious that man still sees her as she was when they met.

You're one hell of a 1001 ways to break-up expert....Damn.

Above posts, the writer is talking about why NMA is alone not why residency is important which from various threads has been exhausted.

Marrying a second wife will make me feel filthy, cheap and obviously an unserious irresponsible man among my peers.

It will diminish the carefree fun filled lifestyle I presently enjoy with my spouse. Yet to imagine my life divided among two or more women who want equal legally sanctioned attention ? Must be very suffocating indeed.
Why not divorce instead of sharing yourself as a male prostitute irrespective of what society say about it.

This is for fun.....right? Please debaters should stay off my handle. Thanks.

Judah1986: The remaining 2 days are registrars and senior registrars ward rounds. As for call duty, the 2006 guidelines of the Royal College of Obstetricians and gynaecologists does not require consultants to always be on ground. Let's not forget that they give lectures and training to medical students. They also have clinical meetings with the residents every morning to review the previous day's activities. SO THEY DO NOT LAZY AROUND

Don't try to rationalize this. Truancy cannot be quantified and excuses in a sensitive sector as health.


Those are the duty expected of any consultants.

Judah1986: Residency has been suspended in all hospitals be it state or federal government. Wherever there is residency is affected. I'm a registrar and I boldly declare that consultants do not lazy around. After they attend clinic, surgery and consultant ward rounds (which entails 3 out of 5 working days), is that lazying around? They were once in my shoes, they have suffered and have paid their dues therefore they should only be disturbed for cases that are beyond us....hence the title CONSULTANT

I am quoting your post for posterity before the content is changed.
Coming to a public forum like nairaland to unknowingly acknowledge the allegation of fellow Nigerians that consultants don't come to work is really something to be marvel at . If working 3 out of 5 working days isn't lazying about then I wonder what is.
No matter how exhausted you are, you're duty bound to perform in your line of duty or resign. The bankers and all those that works in private firms will attest to this but the chase is different in government owned firms.
Being a consultant equivalent of attending physicians in US entails a lot of responsibilities and less luxury time for self and family.

dalhat14: obviously this is coming from someone who knows nothing about specialties and areas of specialisation in the field of medicine.

Please stop exposing your lack of knowledge on these issue.
Are residents permanent staff? NO
Rather MO's and consultants are.

Do you even bother to read your terms of contract as was spelled out in your appointment letter as a resident?

Waiting for the reversal of the suspension though. FG is out with both guns blazing even Phantom is hysteric.

dokilolo: resident doctors represent the largest body of doctors in the country.
and naw dey are all bn fired.
pls move to FrontPage let all nigerians see this.

They are going g to be employed as locum. I foresee this will happen, so unfortunate indeed.

Kcinho: I'm happy Nigerians are starting to appreciate doctors. This Ebola epidemic gives an insight to the hazards involved in the medical practice.

It is no longer the WE situation now but all of "US".......you get!!!!!.
Give us life Insurance, increase our hazards allowance, provide PPE for US not ME alone.......this is a team leader talking.
That is team spirit.
Who wouldn't like to work with and appreciate such a doctor.

DonaldGenes: I like your username boy

hmmmm, wonder why. Thanks anyway.
Morotov cocktail----===petrol bomb.

Ebola, what exactly are you after?

Is it the complete extermination of the fraudsters, 419ERS, drug barons and all what nots from west Africa.? OR WHAT .........


Just know you thou that not all of us are among those listed up here. Pleaseeeeee.

Don't quote me ooooo.

Seems JOHESU guys are busy with Ebola, cos since it broke out their members has not been active.
@ NMA is standing on a shaky ground now. Hope they get back in single piece.

Primary health care center provider is different from primary care provider( first contact care giver).

from ........Dr Ijabla Raymond , UK.

adeoladrg: And wtf is this phantom?

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It won't just favour doctors, it would favor everyone provided you can prove urself to the businessman. Forget the 24 commandment though, go back to work.

Hey, pharmacist I am just relaying Dr Phantom's assertions on privatisation and it doesn't correspond with the doctor's in the article.

Phantom wrote it will favor doctors,.....
.then why is these guy alarmed all of a sudden.

If saying good morning is difficult ,
try...... Hi bro....or wa'd up dude.


Handle your ish, please and ignore his sorry asssss.

thegeneral84: Doctors work those long hours because govt hospitals employ very few of them. For instance, if doctors are to even attempt running two shifts, the hospital needs employ double their present doctor-workforce for this to even be possible. Do you think the government will consider such proposition? One of the demands of NMA was for government to increase funding for residency. This would enable hospitals have more residency slots (ultimately resulting in more resident doctors per hospital with subsequent reduction in workload); and putting in place necessary facilities (hospital facilities) for the training of said resident doctors. This would mean some form of upgrading of hospital facilities eventually leading to better health-care delivery.

Did you see the hours the guy quoted, even US and UK can't sanction such. Unless they are doing two jobs at a time then that can be understood.