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andrewbaba44:
Moses Simon wins coupe d France with Nantes ,their first trophy since 21 years

from the picture, the trophy choke am

This will be his first ever trophy right?

ChrisKels:
Is this Francis Uzoho's younger brother?

Yea... currently in U17 camp..
He is a goalkeeper too

Uzoho currently in camp

It runs in the family

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Jodera:
I think I read where it was said this was edited(the date). This post was made like last season when arsenal was struggling.

I didn't follow up the stuff but if indeed what the guy wrote dey true then we go dey watch

Exactly..it was edited jare...
Make we dey watch sha

TFLASHOGEE:
baba me self reason am say how can a messy team finish third yes guardiola did well at Barcelona but say he took them from being a mess I know fit accept that one na why I say make you confirm first

comrade, I see what you did there. See as you turn two fans against each other

Use this hold body Comrade...you too Sabi

komekn:
Players don't pick teams the team picks you .

Arsenal are looking at a plethora of top striker's and so this a a bit premature as well as he is way over priced in my opinion £100 million.

Italian Mafia at work with his transfer fee.

So if you enter market to shop... it's the seller that will pick you, not you picking the seller whom you love his wares?

Trust the process ....

timay1:
It's a youth tournament. The pedigree of the senior team of those countries don't usually count. Results are usually not easily predictable

well...I hope so. The falconets should prepare and play enough friendlies especially against European opposition. I just want them to do well.

andrewbaba44:
Back to ogogoro football analysis sponsored by you

Why is Frankfurt beating a good westham team ?

We all know Frankfurt is not on the same level with a world class Fulham who is better than Porto so how come are they beating westham

Andrew rest...you too like vawulence ..haha

lovewins:
FIFA U20WWC draw

Group C
France
Nigeria
Canada
South Korea


What do you guys think?

I hate to be pessimistic but this is a tough group and it will be a miracle if we advance. I hope the girls prove me wrong.

AkinDS:
Its unfortunate (and strange) that you found my response funny - strange because you seem to be the only one laughing.

Your statement was an allegation and we asked that your provide evidence (a Nigerian example) but you opted to provide the alleged case of Odoi and Ghana (relevance) and that it 'MIGHT' happen in Nigeria (speculation).
In the case of Ghana, didn't Kevin Prince Boateng (a much higher profile than Odoi) try and pull the same stunt? Wasn't he promptly dropped and has never played another international since then? Hasn't Ghana taken in others who want to play for Ghana, like Djiku, Wollacott, Dennis Odoi, Andy Yiadom, Kwasi Wriedt, and others. Obviously, your so called 'bad' message didn't resonate with these guys, did it?

Finally, Nigeria was not 'lacking' in defense, hence the Plumptre 'acquisition'? The likes of Chidinma Okeke (Madrid CFF), Faith Michael, Tosin Demehin, Akudo Ogbonna, Patricia George, alongside Onome Ebi and Osinachi Ohale were considered the main defense players. Zogg was a late add on to the list, by way of the US Summer Series. So, regarding Plumptre, considering the options listed, a case could be made that we went with increasing the available talent pool with a quality player and not if she was a 'Want' or a 'Need'.
Regarding your comments on Zogg and especially Ariyo, the issue with Ariyo's club (# of games playable in the Iberdola) is a non-issue, as she has played several games for Betis 'B'. Unfortunately, both ladies are currently recovering from injury.

Your last comment buttresses my initial statement regarding Nigeria having a robust intake mechanism, which we currently lack.

It is laughable because I was expecting something better. I don't know why you still failed to comprehend such simple sentence. That statement was not an allegation. An allegation is a statement not based on fact. Some FBs making ridiculous demands from the various NTs that approach them is a fact..I use Odoi because it was recent... BTW, there was no trace of restricting that statement to Nigeria's football alone reason why I found it funny that you were asking for proof that something of such happened in Nigeria.

I was here when you were bashing Ogbonna claiming she is slow. Ebi is 38, Okeke is not a pure CB,you said Demehin didn't measure up,Faith Michael is getting old yet you want me to believe we didn't need defenders. Really? Plumptre and Zogg were necessary additions. Oshoala was battling with injury,Ordega was out of form,Desire was unfit...then Onumonu and Okoronkwo was drafted to the team and both immediately made an impact and we decided qualification. That's the difference between want and need. We didn't want them because they are FBs, we called them up because we needed them to raise the quality of our team.
There are more pressing issues than just going all out for more players. With proper coaching,the present crop of players can go far.
For instance, we need more midfielders, approaching somebody like Vicky Lopez won't be a bad idea. Running and chasing after every FBs doesn't make sense.

AkinDS:
I suspected that your counterpoints were based on your misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. I will try to be more explicit:

1. HB Players - I have no objection to HB players, in as long as they can compete with the FB. At the senior level, evidence has shown that, at least, over the past decade, FBs have proven to be better exposed and better attuned to the demands of the global game - tactically and strategically.
Is it the role of the Nigeria WNT coach to bring the HB players up to international standards? Or is it the job of the players club coaches to do that? The late Stephen Keshi once expressed his frustrations about having to teach HB players in his national camp how to 'trap ball' - code for understanding the fundamentals of the game. Do we as a nation have the time to be 'grooming' players at our WNT (who should otherwise have been groomed at the club level)? Or does it make more sense to pick players who have been groomed already and have expressed a tacit interest in playing for Nigeria? Afterall, these FB kids have at least 3.4% of Nigerian blood running through them (statistically). They ARE Nigerian and the responsible thing to do as a nation is to explore that 'tacit' interest (there is no embarrassment or shame in doing so). The shame is in not doing anything and letting an opportunity pass by.

2. Quality - While there are HBs worthy of a look in, they are only a handful. We have seen the likes of Tosin Demehin not measuring up to standard. Another example is Stella Mbadi, who seemed like the part with her flicks and tricks, but was a complete bust against Canada. The sad truth is most of our HB players are simply not up to par. Considering the very small number of games they play each season, as well as the lack of basic fundamentals, facilities and growth opportunities (outside of going abroad), one can safely surmise that FB players are more of a safer bet than HB players. That is the sad truth!

3. Wants & Needs - 'Needs and wants' are pretty irrelevant when you have a player willing to be a part of your program and the coach feels they are a good match. Such player(s), at a minimum, will make your team stronger (you have more quality players to pull from - i.e. more squad depth) OR it may make your team better (your new player increases the quality of your team). Either way, it is a win-win for the team. There cannot be too many strikers or midfielders or defenders or goalkeepers in your player 'pool'. Any decent coach should be intelligent enough to leverage the overall talent on their team - i.e. Rash Ajibade plays as a striker with Athletico Madrid, but plays as a CM in the Naija WNT. Toni Payne plays as a winger for Seville FC but has played as CM, LWB and LB in the Naija WNT. What matters is how you can harness the resource talent at your disposal and use it to your advantage. Any decent coach in the world can do that.
My point being: it will be quite silly to pass on a player 'A', because player 'A' is a striker and the team already has 8 available strikers at its disposal, so you believe an additional striker is not 'needed'.

Hope this helps you in better understanding my stance.

Everything you write here are unnecessary. My points have been made....going all out for these FBs doesn't make sense if our home is in disarray. So because the like of Canada and US are poaching talents here and there, we too should follow their footstep? That will be crazy.
Look at the super eagles, a lot of FBs were integrated to the team yet we crashed out at AFCON and failed to qualify for World cup because our team of coaches was tactically inept..That's to tell you we have more pressing issues. And please don't turn my argument into HB vs FB. Try and comprehend my points please. I have no problem against those FBs. Ebi,Chikwelu,Okobi and Ordega have not been up to standard for sometimes now, if we can get replacements from those FBs, it will go a long way to improve the team..but the way you made it seems as if we are nothing without these FBs we refuse to approach is just an awful assertion.

charlesemeka85:
hv done that

welcome on board comerade...go and spread vawulence

TheGoodJoe:

I was responding to a discussion about Guardiola's impact of Barcelona. Someone said Guardiola met a ready made success there. I was explaining to the person the impact of Guardiola there was not ready made.

Gerrit?

ok

TFLASHOGEE:
bia next time you attend vawulence executive meeting try to write your name in the sign in book so I go take note you dey give me joy

You gerrit ... Emeka needs to sign the Accord

TFLASHOGEE:
Blue font Prof single handedly light up this thread with vawulence and we in the community are pleased with him what a good way to console one self

ha Comrade, leave blue font man o ...you fit handle post doctoral thesis? The violence is bigger than me

TFLASHOGEE:
o lord comerade which one carry newspaper stand enter this matter now ennn bia I go fire you catapult soon why you go talk this kind thing a whole nominated analyst for News pepper stand o wrong now

Comrade,that violence from mekus chop Gucci...that violence don celebrate 10-year anniversary

TheGoodJoe:
Trophyless in 2 seasons to the best team in club football. Do the maths. Guardiola delivered.

Pep Guardiola won 14 trophies in 4 years while in charge of Barcelona. Stunning success.

we are talking about post Barca and UCL sir

TFLASHOGEE:
shine on comrade vawulence assignment must be completed make we pray first before we deliver vawulence in full scale

yes o comrade

charlesemeka85:
tnks a lot for the gospel truth bro. May your days be long

Amen thanks...

andrewbaba44:
Klopp lost 4 finals before he win his first remember

Tuchel lost his first ucl finals at Psg and was labeled a fraud by the fans but he came to Chelsea to win his first

Guardiola lost a final then it’s finish

Nothing bad in losing a final bro.... We are talking about when all joined EPL.
Klopp came and spent money to build the team....he has won 1 UCL now....he will be competing in another final this month. That is 3 UCL finals in 5 years.

Tuchel lost final before but he now has 1 UCL.

Then there is Pep who has been spending heavily since his days in Bayern yet no single UCL. This is like a failed investment. And to think he has had the easiest knockout fixtures yet he couldn't win one.

AkinDS:
I'll repeat the question I asked you: "Which female footballer that we were in pursuit of, either actively or tacitly, made demands to Nigeria? Bad message to who or for who ?"
As the forumer Lovewins also stated earlier, you have yet to provide proof or evidence to back up your claims about FB demands. You simply cannot continue to cast aspirations about FBs that are patently false and completely baseless. It is not only wrong, but dangerous to fans and especially the FBs themselves (because people start having wrong impressions about them).

In answering your other question below which I highlighted - my response is absolutely!
FACT: Roosa Ariyo (Real Betis, SPA) was invited to the 2019 US summer series and has not been invited since then. Adekite Fatuga Dada (Watford, ENG) was invited to the training camp in Austria and has not been invited since. That has NOT deterred Ashleigh Plumptre (Leicester FC, ENG) from coming aboard the SF team. Also understand that Rinsola Babajide (Real Betis, SPA) might be in the process of joining the SF. So you point (or concern) is completely lacking in merit.

I really find this response funny. My statement was not an allegation so I don't know why you were asking for evidence. Read it again please...

The only case where I think we should reach out is if we need (not want) the player because some of them do make ridiculous demands at times.

The fact that those we have added so far or still pursuing so far didn't make demands doesn't mean it doesn't happen...a recent example is Odoi who said he will only pledge allegiance to Ghana if they qualify for world cup. Talking about bad message...now, if the coach decided to drop those who partake in the qualifiers for the FBs in the tournament list, how do you think those who get dropped will feel? That is the problem of making demands.
And the fact that it has never happened in Nigeria doesn't mean it will never happen in future especially when we start getting desperate by going after every eligible FBs. We were lacking in defence and now we have Plumptre and Zogg (club issue)...that is the difference between wants and needs.

As for your last paragraph, Ariyo has an issue with her club and I'm sure you will even raise an eye brow if she is called up...Fatuga has not being called up either due to the pecking order or the coach doesn't fancy her..if the latter is the case, that means we want her not that we need her. So I don't know how the two scenarios have any effect on Plumptre's switch sir.

And going after the FBs is not the only solution, we need structure..good coaches too. We need to make our team attractive.

lovewins:
Do you have specific example of a foreign born player making any of such request? I really do not find this plausible.

I think the crux of the conversation is what AkinDS noted earlier in one of his submissions; there has to be a well stated guideline for integrating players (either local or foreign) into the team
I try to be pragmatic about my approach to things. Game time isn't all a player gets to enjoy playing for say USA and Canada, they have developmental structures in place that ultimately helps a player grow into their career, something Nigeria sadly doesn't offer. The financial incentive is also something worth considering. Most of these players probably earn more from partnerships and endorsement deals than than they do from bonuses. Save Oshoola and probably a few others, very few Nigerian players have a brand they can leverage on during their playing days, talk less when they retire. I'm trying to put into perspective a few things some of these players consider before pitching their tent.

Of course there would be a few players like Ashleigh Plumtre who from the get go are settled I their desire to play for Nigeria, but until we have a football program we can be proud of, we have to empathize with young players as they make their decisions.

I understand your point and I agree especially the bolded. But AkinDs want us to go all out for these FBs which I what I'm countering against. He even said if we approach them and we lose, it's ok. That doesn't make sense.
Like you stated above, we need to have an integrating plan which is why I told AkinDs that part of this plan involves differentiating between wants and needs and again he said it make no sense.
Take our U17 for example, those girls have not concede a goal since the start of the qualifier (correct me if I'm wrong) which is a testament that there are quality players among them. Nothing bad in picking from home and at the same time picking outside but our oga want us to go all out which doesn't make sense.

Jencejyde:
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Lol I think a management standpoint analogy was made here on Auba's case which I must commend the contributor.

Arteta is definitely not the best coach in the world but his standpoint on discipline as regarding Auba was 100 percent on point.

We talk about attitude and mentality all the time and this revolves around our everyday lives as well. You cant say because you are the highest earner and in form , that now gives you the right to behave unruly. Pride goes before a fall and all he had to do then was apologize to his team mates and correct his attitude. It's this same attitude that spirals unto the pitch of play and before you know it, the person loses everything.

I for one do not condone any form of Indiscipline and rightly so should any coach if he wants to be in charge of his team.

I wish Auba the best and cannot forget what he has done for Arsenal in a hurry but sincerely hope he can get it together and focus on football with the right attitude on and off the pitch for his own sake.

I agree....
And I wouldn't blame Arteta on that. As a rookie, he needs to set his own standard.

TFLASHOGEE:

Comrade...no be my fault...we must do the job the senior comrade sent us...he said we should go ye into the world and spread violence

I'm one of the admirer of Pep. When it comes to tactics and bringing the best out of players, he is one of the best.
Spending huge money on players is not the problem but you can't spend that amount of money yet you have no champions league to show for it. Let me be blunt,it is a failure

Klopp spent money, he won UCL ....Tuchel' came to Chelsea, he won the UCL. Mourinho even did it with small Porto

Then there is Pep who has been spending cash yet no UCL to show for it

Is Pep still one of the best? Yes he is.
But he is regressing TBH

TFLASHOGEE:
Blue font consoling him self with argumentative essay for here baba still dey in Shock for watin do Dem yesterday even guardiola know say don Carlo out smart am in football you create your own luck and a winning strategy that what is simply going for Madrid this season, guardiola loose guard he collect wotowoto Chelsea loose guard Dem collect wotowoto, PSG loose guard them collect wotowoto, if Liverpool like make Dem loose guard Dem go collect their own it not just luck Madrid created theirs and if you can't use yours cover your face

my fellow comrade in violence....you're doing well. Yesterday's match enter body ...

If this is true... Arteta deserves apology

BlueRayDick:
This

Sargeant Holding...the commander of the 352 battalion

AkinDS:
Which female footballer that we were in pursuit of, either actively or tacitly, made demands to Nigeria? Bad message to who or for who?
We Nigerians really need to get off our high horse and realize we are NOT all that. If we were the US or France or Germany, then we can make such a statement. We haven't won anything worthy of note outside the continent and we are acting like we are world champions. Jeez! I beg!

Your statement about needs and wants makes no sense to me. Squad building is about DEPTH, period. You build your squad based on players who would add value to your team, so that the level of competitiveness is either same or better than what you have. With the state of affairs in Nigeria, we are in no position to be picking and choosing. I would rather have a big pool of decent players to choose from (what Waldrum is doing now), as opposed to a small pool of decent players and a boat load of very average ones (which is where Nigeria was, pre-Waldrum).
That is the common trait with the top 10 WNTs in the world - massive squad depth! Nigeria is not anywhere close to having that and NO, we cannot wait around for some HB player to reach the apex of their learning curve before we start to compete. The time is NOW and we need to get any young kid out there who has a drop of Naija blood in them, or else, we will be left behind, even on the continent.

Listen....some of these foreign borns do make demands sometimes ranging from a place in WC squad whether they are better than the rest or not, some may ask for chance to boycott any match as they like...
Think deeply, the issue of want and need should make sense to you... it's not about squad depth, if you invite one of the FBs and you drop them to bench or stop inviting them after a match, do you think others will want to pledge allegiance to you?
The fact that other WNTs are going for FBs doesn't mean it will work for us also..

Samueltemi337:
Last week

I knew he scored last week but I'm talking about the national team.