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certainly we can't be happy! especially as for South Africa, I mean we're hosting the world cup in June! We don't know as to who will be having evil intentions!

This is not good for Nigeria, the country is one of the most important in Africa. It must be seen in a positive light!

South Africa should start doing the same!!

hate, wat hate, cum on now wat would we hate about an overpopulated banana republic, which is of course an embarrasment to the black race!! there are more wonderful countries with wonderful people all around Africa whom we can hold in high regard, Ghana, Cameroon etc. Not of course a bunch of poverty riddled noisy blacks who wear curtains as clothes!!!

surely U don't want to compare the level of poverty in South Africa to that of Nigeria & Africa.

deport the basturd!

Well done Commisioner, we will help U get rid of these scumbergs who sell drugs to our people. They know themselves! Everywhere they go, they just cause misery and create havoc.

@ edoyad U make me laugh, South African unemployment rate 50%. Then U say U got this from BBC. Our official unemployment rate is 24%.

@adconline. U are so fascinated by Botswana, the reality is Botswana is like a province to us. For example the Japanese Yen is stronger than the Dollar, but Japan is not a powerhouse. Stop talkin on behalf of Botswana, talk about your thirld world & untidy country!

hehehehehehe! by 2020 the Nigerian economy will be the biggest in Africa, wow! I',m sure by 2020, the generation of that time will be sayin by 2040, we will be the biggest economy in Africa! As for Angola, U people are pushing it! There is only one country in Africa that can at least try to compete with SA, that is Egypt.

@ Horus
You must really have some mental disorder! Nobody attacked U. As to whether companies are owend by White, Indian, Coloured or black South Africans the fact is they are South African. The first underground train in Africa, malls and the stadiums for the world cup tey're all build by our government with our tax money!

Get your facts straight. The fact of the matter is that U've become our little colony! Come with facts and yapping!

Chiefs snub CAF lure
02 December 2009
Ramatsiyi Moholoa - ramatsiyi@sowetan.co.za

Motaung cites ‘ logistical reasons’ for declining inviteKAIZER Chiefs have declined an offer to take part in the Confederation Cup.

This despite the competition carrying 300000 (R2,2million) and 200000 (R1,48million) for the runner-up.
Amakhosi would have also received an allowance of R1million from the Premier Soccer League to compete in the tournament.

The Soweto glamour boys qualified for the continental event after finishing third on the Absa Premiership last season.

Their decision not to compete means that South Africa will have only three teams in the 2010 Confederation of African Football (CAF) club competition.
The teams are SuperSport United, Orlando Pirates and Moroka Swallows, who will play in the Cup by virtue of being the Nedbank Cup winners last season.
Matsatsantsa a Pitori and Pirates will take part in the African Champions League, which has been dominated by north African clubs. The three teams will also receive a R1million allowance from the league. CAF provides for member countries to be represented by four teams: two in the Champions League and two in the Confederation Cup.
The deadline for clubs to confirm their participation was Monday.
PSL chief of operations Ronnie Schloss said: “SuperSport United, Orlando Pirates and Moroka Swallows are the only teams that will participate in CAF club competitions from the league.
“We had a fourth slot, which is for a club that finishes third in the league. We spoke to Kaizer Chiefs, they informed us that they are not participating.”
Chiefs said they will not take part in the tournament. Club manager Bobby Motaung said: “We are not going there because of logistical reasons and nothing else. We were informed that it is not compulsory to take part and that is why we did not even consider participating. ”


Chiefs won this tournament when it was still known as the Mandela Cup in 2000. Pirates are the only southern African club to win the African Champions League, in 1995.
The winners of the Champions League will get 1,5million (R7,38million) .
The losing finalists will take home 1million, while the semifinalists will each receive 700000, the third side in each group 500000.

@ Horus
Where did U get u're information! South Africa's unemployment rate is 24,9% which is normal for a top developing nation! Most people are now employed in the construction sector! Get your facts straight before U open your black mouth!

Educate yourself!!

SA's unemployment rate at 24.9%

30 October 2009

South Africa's unemployment rate increased by 0.9% to 24.9% in the third quarter of 2009, compared to 23.6% in the second quarter, according to the Quarterly Labour Force Survey released by Statistics South Africa (Stats SA) on Thursday.

Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan made it clear this week, while announcing his medium-term budget for 2009 to 2011, that job-creation is the government's top priority and one of the biggest challenges facing the country.

He said the government aimed to create 4.5-million short-term jobs through public works over the next five years, while rationalising its incentives for businesses to create more jobs, and supporting labour-intensive infrastructure projects.

Stats SA's survey showed that employment contracted by 3.6% in the third quarter, translating into a loss of 484 000 jobs. Of these, 283 000 were in the formal sector (excluding agriculture), with the manufacturing and wholesale industries recording the highest losses.

South Africa's formal sector accounted for 70.4% of the country's total employment, the informal sector for 15.5%, and private households for 9%, while agriculture accounted for 5.1%.

The number of discouraged job seekers in the country increased by 7.6% or 115 000 in the third quarter.

Stats SA deputy director-general Kefiloe Masiteng said the figures indicated a shift from employment into unemployment, discouragement and inactivity. "More people have become more inactive," Masiteng said.

Employment was down across all nine provinces except for KwaZulu-Natal, where it remained virtually unchanged. Gauteng province suffered the highest job losses, at 234 000.

The unemployment rate was highest among 15- to 24-year-olds, at 48.4 percent, and lowest among 55- to 64-year-olds, at 6.8 percent. Of South Africa's estimated 49.3-million people, around 31-million are between 15 and 24 years old.

Source: BuaNews


As for U Morpheus, we will go to any forum we want in this world! U don't own this forum! What U own is your extra large mouth!
http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/development/unemployment-301009.htm

Dope worth r4m seizedA NIGERIAN couple suspected of being key players in drug peddling and trafficking in Gauteng and North West are among 16 people, including a police sergeant, have been arrested.




National Police Commissioner Bheki Cele was part of the intelligence-driven Operation Dintwa in which Pedro Chinendo Odoemenem, 34, and his wife Pamela were arrested in Sandton, Johannesburg.

Announcing the results of the intensive operation in Pretoria yesterday, Cele said investigators described Odoemenem as one of the kingpins fuelling the drug trade in Gauteng and North West.

Spearheaded by the elite police unit the Hawks and focusing on Gauteng and North West, the operation, involving metro police, the SA Revenue Service, the SAPS’s asset forfeiture unit and the National Prosecuting Authority, resulted in the discovering of drugs worth about R4million and about R49000 in cash.
Moving in groups of 10, the police pounced on 23 addresses in Johannesburg, Sandton, Midrand, Soweto, Klerksdorp and Potchefstroom simultaneously on Friday .
Several items, including cars, ammunition, cellphones and pocket diamond scales, believed to be instrumental in drug- related crimes, were also seized.

Sergeant Riaan Newton, who is stationed at Hillbrow police station and is suspected of facilitating drug trafficking, was also arrested . Another police officer sought for drug-related crimes is on the run.

Cele said since its inception two years ago the operation has netted R26million worth of drugs and resulted in the arrest of 24 drug dealers and peddlers locally and abroad.


Cele said that 85698 cops have joined the festive season’s Operation Duty Calls, which is already under way.
http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1093236

no, why would we bash Nigerians! We have people we can bash, clearly not Nigerians!
Its just the sound of the truth to the ear is a bit too much!!!!

You see those are the issues, that really devide South Africans and Nigerians. If really Black South Africans were scared of whites, how did the Soweto uprisings happen and all other battles that took place in the country.
What I know is dat black South Africans are the most accomodating people in Africa, what we hate is people who have a sence of entitlement. Nigerians have a tendency of expecting to do as they wish in South Africa because of the fact that the helped South Africans during the apartheid era! As I have said that we're the friendliestsome of the friendliest people in Africa, we can also be the deadliest and most violent if provoked. Zimbabweans and Mozambicans commit the most gruesome crimes in SA, are suppoesed to keep quite no! I'm totally against xenophobia, but the issue is for a layman or an average uneducated black South African, the feeling is of nationalism, they're the ones who remained behind and suffered the wrath of apartheid police, while the likes of Mbeki were dining in Lagos, London & Lusaka.

What I know is dat most South Africans don't like strangers espeecialluy cocky ones! Unfourtunatley dat's wat Nigerians are doing! I don't think U can take your face and go act cocky in Berlin streets, they'll f*&$% U up. This is wat U gonna get here!


The point here is dat South Africans behave themselves when in other countries, dats the opposite of Nigerians. Thats why they feel like they're victimised everywhere. What I know is dat in SA if U can't behave U'll be solved, just like in the US

South Africa's Policy towards Africa: Neo-liberalism and NEPAD

Despite what the ANC government claims, South Africa's foreign policy towards Africa is not based on Pan-Africanism or anti-imperialism; it is rather based on promoting South Africa's expanding business interests on the continent. In reality, the South African state's interests, in both the domestic and African arena, have become fused with those South Africa's capitalist elite.

In Africa, South Africa has used its hegemonic position, based on leadership by consent and at times coercion, to develop a neo-liberal policy -- NEPAD -- for the entire continent. The close relationship that exists between the South African state and South African capital is the main reason why NEPAD emerged.6 Representatives of South Africa's capitalist class, along with other neo-liberal government advisors, played a central role in developing NEPAD. In true hegemonic fashion, however, South Africa also brought junior partners on board, such as ex-president Obasanjo of Nigeria, so that it could pass its own initiative off as an African initiative.

Nonetheless, South Africa's control over NEPAD is underpinned by the fact that NEPAD's headquarters are situated in South Africa. It is also no mere coincidence that Thabo Mbeki's main economic advisor, Professor Wisemen Nkuhlu, is the executive head of NEPAD.

NEPAD itself is based on some of the classic pillars of neo-liberal economic fundamentalism. It views the private sector as the main driving force of the African economy. As such, NEPAD states that all barriers to companies making profits in African countries, such as Nigeria, should be removed. It explicitly promotes the development of the private sector, privatisation, free trade, financial liberalisation, labour flexibility, and foreign direct investment in Africa.7 Indeed, NEPAD states that foreign direct investment is its most important pillar. Given that South African corporations and parastatals are already responsible for the vast majority of foreign direct investment in Africa, it is very clear who stands to benefit. In fact, all of NEPAD's neo-liberal pillars are creating a climate that facilitates the expansion and profiteering of South African companies in Africa. The reality is that NEPAD aims to further entrench the neo-liberal policies that the IMF and World Bank imposed on Africa -- only this time the South African government hopes it will be to the advantage of South African multinationals.8 Wisemen Nkuhlu stated as much in 2003, when he said:

South Africa's self interest in the socio-economic development of the continent is well understood by business. South Africa needs markets for her products and access to raw materials that are not produced in South Africa. Countries like Angola, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea and many other countries have resources that are of economic interest to South Africa. . . . Supporting and sponsoring NEPAD, places South Africa in a strong position to become the preferred development partner by a number of African countries.9

The South African state has not only opened up Nigeria's economy to South African investments and exports through NEPAD, it has also done so through bilateral agreements and a Binational Commission
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=post;board=61.0

From the very start, the recent Nigerian elections, which saw Olusegun Obasanjo placing his hand-picked successor Umaru Yar' Adua into the Presidential palace, were mired in controversy. The ballot papers for the election, which were printed in South Africa, contained no counterfoils or serial numbers -- features which would have made vote riggingdifficult. In fact, only 40 million ballot papers were even printed -- this for an election where over 65 million people had registered to vote.1 To make matters worse, only 30% of these ballot papers were ever sent to Nigeria; the rest remained lying in a warehouse in Johannesburg on day of the elections.2 Of the ballot papers that were sent to Nigeria, most were rushed off to areas that were and are strongholds of Obasanjo's and Yar' Adua's ruling party, the People's Democratic Party. In contrast, areas where there was strong opposition to the government, such as the Niger Delta, did not receive enough ballot papers. On the day of the election, independent observers noted that vote rigging and fraud were rife. Yar' Adua supporters were even seen stuffing fraudulent ballot papers into ballot boxes at voter stations across the county.3 Intimidation of opposition supporters was also widespread. In fact, over 200 people, mainly members of the opposition parties, were murdered in the runup to the elections.4 This situation led most independent observers to declare the elections a farce.

The South African government, however, had a very different view of the elections. Spearheaded by Thabo Mbeki, it came out and said the elections had been free and fair. Indeed, South Africa was the first country to congratulate and offer support to the ruling party's candidate, Yar' Adua, on "winning" the elections.5 Immediately following this, he was invited to Tshwane to have a personal congratulatory meeting with Thabo Mbeki. The question is: why would the South African government fall over itself to congratulate Yar' Adua on "winning" an election that was so clearly rigged? The answer to this question lies in South Africa's policy towards Africa, in the form of the New Partnership for Africa's Development (NEPAD), the relationship that it has with the ruling party in Nigeria, and the expansionist agenda that South African corporations and parastatals have in Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=post;board=61.0

What does this love - hate relationship portend for the two countries? If allowed to continue, the toll on economic, socio-cultural and political gains made throughout the two countries' history of interaction will be negatively affected. For instance, there is a generous level of intermarriage between the people of the two countries and a new generation of Nigerian South Africans and South African Nigerians are being raised. How would this continued love - hate relationship rub-off on this new generation or even between the families? In fact, as the xenophobic attacks were ongoing, South African families were giving the hands of their daughters in marriage to Nigerians. A South African lady expressed the dilemma of the situation when she remarked that her son, who is Nigerian through the father, will never understand why her people and her father's people are up in arms. Nigeria South Africa economic cooperation in the continent is one of the largest in recent times. The cooperation of the two countries in bilateral and multilateral issues on the continent, and especially in the area of peace and security will definitely be affected if this ugly trend continues unabated.

South Africans spoken to are however divided on the nuisance nature of Nigerians. While some see them as very brash, loudmouthed criminals, others are quick to point out that it was only with the arrival of Nigerians in SA did they know that a black man can look a white man in the face and tell him off. Could this therefore be a source of the conspiracy against Nigerians? Some will also tell you about the wonderful work Nigerian doctors, academics, professionals and business people are doing in SA. Mostly, they tell you about the ingenuity and enterprising nature of Nigerians. Nigerians spoken to are equally divided as to their opinion of how they are being treated in SA. Some tell of the wonderful friendship they have developed with South African families, while others speak of the terrible experiences they have had in the country. However, one common denominator that is present in almost all those spoken to is that, it will not be in the best interest of both countries to have wrong perceptions and diplomatic rows. The recent spate of attacks notwithstanding, Nigerians spoken to expressed empathy with the situation the South African blacks find themselves. They say they are ready to forgive those who were directly or indirectly involved in the attacks. They have also appealed to Nigerians back home not to engage in retaliatory attacks against South Africans living in the mother country as this will not resolve the issue at hand. Right thinking South Africans have condemned the attacks and have even gone to the extent of expressing how ashamed they are to be South Africans in these trying times.

The South African High Commission in Abuja for instance is already working on addressing the perceptions of ill treatment of Nigerians from an institutional level. At the just concluded Bi-National Commission session between the two countries which held in Abuja, a range of issues were discussed which if implemented, would improve the cooperation of the two countries. However, the issue of the repatriation deposit that first time travellers to South Africa are expected to pay at the SA High Commission was not ironed out. This has been a touchy issue between the countries. While the efforts are very commendable, it would also be very important that the South African government back home engage with its people both at the institutional level and at the grassroots level in order to create a better atmosphere between the people and government of these two countries. The Department of Home Affairs has to factor in this problem in its Indaba and Imbizo with the people. There would therefore be the need for continuous public education to change the perception and call for greater cooperation. The much touted spirit of ubuntu must be made to permeate the hearts of men and women in SA. Diplomatic relations must translate to good relations among citizens. At the same time, the Nigerian government both at home and in SA represented by the High Commission need to re-orientate the Nigeria public, especially those travelling to SA or residing in SA as to the fact that laws and ethics of host countries must be obeyed. The fact that the foreign policy thrust of the present administration is focused on protecting its citizens does not mean that crimes committed by Nigerian nationals abroad would not be subject to local laws. Nigerians in SA must operate in the country with the same moral and ethical uprightness as they would have exhibited in the mother country. The home office in Nigeria would need to institute in the psyche of Nigerians in Diaspora the need of registering with the Nigerian Missions in whichever country they find themselves. This would also make the job of assisting Nigerians in foreign countries easier for their Missions. Above all, the people of both countries would gain more by treating themselves with mutual respect.

@Morpheus

why when we have to discuss issues, U get personal, did I choose to be mix breed! Could U pls explain sa to what is the meaning of confused. Okay to make you happy I'd say Ghana economy is bigger than that of South Africa. They are the economic powerhouse of Africa! there U go happy!!!!!

I feel insulted that South Africa's economy can be compared to that of Ghana. That country's economy is not even bigger than that of Johannesburg & Pretoria combined. As for whether whites are still or control or what, thats not a problem, the main thing is that South Africa is a an economical powerhouse of Africa, and I as a South African I'm proud of that. My tax is contributing to the economic activities of this country.

cum on Tunisia! we're waiting for U! South Africa 2010 is waiting!!!

dis is just pure jealosy, just because U A frican countries can't even organise a youth championship, U think every even us South Africans can't! Nobody was robbed durin the Confed Cup, Cricket & Rugby world cups! U will die with envy as we host the World Cup & Olympics!

The head of South African organizers for next year's World Cup thinks a successful tournament could lead to the Olympics being hosted on that continent for the first time in 2020.


(AP)"The IOC decided to give South America its first Olympics, so the only continent now without an Olympics is the African continent, and therefore I think it's something that the IOC certainly will have to begin to think about," organizing committee chief executive officer Danny Jordaan told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Speaking after a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, Jordaan said he could envision Johannesburg, Cape Town or Durban bidding along with Egypt for the 2020 Games. The IOC's 2011 session will be held in Durban, and Jordaan believes those meetings could serve as a springboard.

The IOC voted Oct. 2 to hold the Olympics in South America for the first time, awarding the 2016 Games to Rio de Janeiro.

Since the end of apartheid and the first elections with universal suffrage in 1994, South Africa hosted the Rugby World Cup in 1995 and soccer's African Cup of Nations the following year, and it co-hosted the Cricket World Cup in 2003. Next year's World Cup is soccer's first in Africa.

FIFA is projecting record revenue for the 2010 World Cup, with Jordaan saying commercial partners will generate $3.2 billion.

"The argument was that any World Cup on the African continent will lead to huge financial losses. Therefore, Africa must wait," Jordaan told a reception at South Africa's U.N. consulate. "This event, because of television, is actually without boundaries and without borders. And so you can return the value of the investment in New York and Miami and London and Paris, and all over the world.

"If we dismiss the argument for the World Cup, we've dismissed it also for the Olympics."

Jordaan hopes the secretary-general attends the tournament.

"He must not only come to the continent when there is war, when he wants to talk about Darfur," he said. "He must come to Africa when Africa celebrates, when Africa excels. When there is good news he must always be there."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=8887097

I'm still alive and kickin! How're my friends doin!

are U people that naive, the VISA is only for those overweight, corrupt Nigerian politicians! No country in the world would ever freely open their borders for Nigerians, maybe Benin or Chad would do that!

1. South Africa – GDP: $533.2 billion
Africa’s largest economy looms over the rest and has an abundant supply of natural resources with well-developed financial, legal, communications, energy, and transport sectors. South Africa has a modern infrastructure that supports an efficient distribution of goods to major urban centers throughout the region and a stock exchange that ranks among the 10 largest in the world.


1.The Rand was the best performing currency against the US dollar between 2002 and 2005 (Bloomberg Currency Scoreboard)
2.South Africa has 55,000 high-net individuals holding at least US $1 million in financial assets (World Wealth Report 2008)
3.South Africa has the 27th biggest economy in the world, with a Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of US $254 billion (World Bank)
4.South Africa accounts for almost 25% of the GDP of the entire African continent, with an economy more than twice the size of the second biggest – Algeria (World Bank)
5.Gauteng is South Africa’s smallest province but produces 34% of South Africa’s


South Africa is the superpower and the single biggest economy in Africa!

http://rwrant.co.za/2009/08/26/50-facts-about-south-africa-you-might-not-have-known/

At least important countries have faith over us! Who needs a third world opinion anyway!

We're used to this kind of treatment by our POLICE! There's no difference between our current police and the apartheid ones! There's a perception that our police only assult foreigners. All of us are victims!

South African police attack protesting students at a Pretoria University. This is severe police brutality. Not for sensetive viewers

http://multimedia.thetimes.co.za/videos/2009/02/police-attacks-disabled-student/

OLD NEWS, come up with something. Black South Africans have no time for third world, bafoons.

PIXIRAVER! You're such a lier, give us a link. I watched SABC news yesterday.