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CNN has lost integrity.

They are shamelessly biased in their reporting. It's just too obvious.

Thank God for social media.

hupernikao:
You are not following scriptures in any of the writing above and that is why you aren't giving scriptures for your explanation. You will need to do that to provide basis for your argument. Give me just one scripture that says believers should not submit to spiritual authority.

You are trying to find a scheme that doesn't exist in the scriptures.

Does the bible teaches total submission to church authority in spiritual matters? YES.

I have given you details earlier.
Those who rule over you (1 Thess 5:17-18) and labour in WORD, FEED my SHEEP (Acts 20:28), THEY WATCH OVER YOUR SOUL (Hebrews 13:17), they give account to God because of this responsibilities. Those are bible terms and non of this is related to running church only but spiritual activities.

"Feed" speaks about God's word not rice, "to give account to God" will be based on spiritual responsibility and conduct not carnal issues. These are spirituals.

The teaching and receiving of God's word is spiritual, leads to spiritual growth. To feed by the word. Watching over your soul to give account is not NGO or democracy. That is high spiritual responsibility. You are to have absolute submission to your authority.

That is why you should choose wisely where you fellowship and must be able to trust your Pastor as such use of God, if not find a place that scriptures is taken above man. But saying believers shouldn't submit to spiritual authority is saying their is no authority in the body.

When Paul said follow me, that is not speaking about mundane thing as marriage. He wasn't refering to carnal things, he is refering to spiritual and right conduct.

Philippians 4:9
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you

The learning is via the teaching of God's word not his marriage.
Do exactly what I do, what I teach. That is instructions not suggestions.

Have you read Paul's pastoral epistles to Timothy and Titus? Then you will understand what spiritual authority is.

2 Tim 2:2
And the things that thou hast heard from me among many witnesses, commit thou the same to faithful men who shall be able to teach others also.

Heard of me, commit same to, faithful men (faithful to exactly things I commanded), they teach same to others.

The church has a pattern, a doctrine, a purpose and that is what must be laid.

It is very strange to demand lack of submission to authority in church of God. No where was that taught in all the scriptures.

1 Tim 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth .

There is a how to behave in church and there will be a head to give direction instructions and correction to make that happen.

You said below



This is all false. If you are loyal to Jesus, you will be loyal to his word and what was taught in his scriptures. How do you know who is loyal to Jesus? He is loyal to his course, fellowship of brethren and submission to his authority via the church. You can't be loyal to the head of the church when you are disloyal to his body (church). We see your loyalty to the head (who is unseen) by your loyalty to his body (the church, the brethren).

All Christian reward taught in the bible is didn't speak about loyalty to Christ but your commitment to his work via his church. Because that is where loyalty is well tested.




This isn't true. Jesus gave men to be in authority, if you are submissive to Jesus, you will be submissive to his delegate. Those he gave responsibilities to, those who will give account of you. (Hebrews 13:17-19), Acts 20:28. They rule because the holyghost trust them with this responsibility.



This is a different issue entirely. Because there are bad eggs doesn't mean we will change the narrative of the scriptures. We shouldn't hide behind this and be swayed away. The bible instructions to leaders is to be done in all humility and in submission to Christ authority. They must see the flock as belonging to Jesus and not them. They are just privileged to be trusted by the holyghost and should handle responsibilities as such.

But the truth is loyalty to Jesus, is loyalty to his church, his people, his body. Same as submission. You can't claim lack of submission to the body and claim full submission to the head of same body.

I don't have time for your law and doctrine filled argument.

Jesus said "My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. John10:27

I hear the voice of Jesus every day and I follow Him. I submit to Him alone on daily basis.
I obey the church rules and contribute in spreading the gospel. I recognize and respect the spiritual gifts in every child of God not just ministers. I believe in prayer of agreement but my spiritual loyalty is to Christ alone.

Folks like you cannot lead me astray. I am more mature a Christian than that. No human has spiritual authority over me.

I was a born again Christian for 2 years without belonging to any church and God was with me. I joined a church because I needed the fellowship of brethren and also contribute in winning souls, not to switch the authority of Christ to another man. A man made of flesh. SMH.

hupernikao:
Well, though you didnt give me scriptures that support your submission and that is a very key factor. But i will like to let you know that one of the few areas in which Bible is very loud is in issue of submission. We can see and teach God's mind of submission from almost all points in the scriptures. And one key factor you will see in the Bible is that submission is as a result of authority. God/Christ, Christ/Church, Man/Woman, Government/Citizen, Parents/Children, Believers/Shepherd are all forms of submission by virtue of authority seen in the scriptures.

Firstly, authority of the church flows from Christ and to those given responsibilities of lives. There is so much to write on this but i will short it for now in little points.


1. Does the Bible Teaches that Believers should Submit to those who Labour on them Spiritually?

The bible did not only teach this, the bible was loud and demand total submission.

- Hebrews Writer

Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

The word "Obey" is translated from "peithō" it simply means to listen to, yield to, comply with, to trust, to have confidence in, be persuaded.
The word "that have the rule over you" is a single word "hēgeomai" used for a commander, an authority, a leader, like a governor. It is a very strong word that can be translated as "have control over you" used earlier in verse 7

Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Rule over, that is an authority over. Here The writer of Hebrews is writing to believers. Same in verse 24

Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

Verse 7 and 17 is clear he was referring to those who teach them God's word, their pastors, their leaders. He said they should OBEY, SUBMIT.


- Paul's Admonition

1 Timothy 5:17-18
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially[b] they who labour in the word and doctrine.[/b]
18 For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Elders "presbyteros" one who presides.
That rule "proïstēmi" to be over, to superintend, preside over, to be a protector or guardian.

Strong words. He commanded that they be honored because of their responsibility when dont well. Honor will include submission.

1 Thess 5:12-13
12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

Used the word "labor over you" same word "proïstēmi" those who have authority. He also said you should "esteem" they HIGHLY.

Why is this so, because they are supposed to labor, to shepherd, to protect, to direct you. They are those that Christ trust the lives of His sheep in their hands. The Bible teaches that they were given this responsibility by the Holyghost.

Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and[b] to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers[/b], to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

That is a responsibilities given by the Holyghost. It is well cut out, to feed.

The word overseer is simply translated as a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent. Hence such man have control to correct, admonish, instruct by the word (2 Tim 3:16).


2. What of the Early Church.

We have Peter, in Acts 2, everyone didnt talk, Peter did, that is authority, leadership. Acts 6, Brethren called the multitude, that is to tell you their is leadership. They instruct and the multitude did exactly what they were asked to do, Acts 15:13, when all have spoken, Jame[/b]s rose and spoke and gave final verdict. It wasnt democratic. The leadership was definite. We can go on and on.

The doctrine of not submitting to authority in the church is alien to the scriptures and it is a modern day approach taken by those who either dont know what the bible teaches about it or just lack attitude of submission.


[b]3. Is Following or Obeying your Pastor negate following Christ?

There are myriad of scriptures that shows that even though all believers are followers of Christ, their are people set over us to shepherd, follow their footstep in the faith and be obedient to.

- Paul told the Corinthian church to follow him

1 Corinthians 11
11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Follower/follow meaning to mimic him, to copy him, to imitate and do exactly what he does. That is how the scriptures taught authority in the church.

If we can submit at our workplaces, NYSC camp, interviews etc, how much more those who handle God's word for our sake.


4. What If My Overseer is Taking Advantage of This or not Responsible?

Well, for you to have known this, it seems you may now know better than your leader, then its time to leave and not cause confusion. Like i told the OP, if irreconcilable issue arise, report to a superior if there is one else it is better to part way than to cause strife and division in the church. This will cause more harm to both.

Finally, You cannot teach from any where in the scriptures that the presence of the holyghost means their is no authority or submission in the church of God. Teaching that a believer shouldn't submit to authority in the church is a step towards disaster.

[i[b]]Jesus himself,[/b] chose Peter before his ascension and instructed him to FEED MY LAMB. That will include teaching by instruction, correction, admonition and rebuke. And can best be received by full submission and obedience to those who have authority over us. [/i]

This is the will of God for His church.

You complicate things in your write up.

Submitting to someone as physical authority is different from submitting to someone as spiritual authority. I will obey his instructions as regards to running the church but my loyalty and fellowship is to Jesus Christ

Any form of spiritual submition to anyone except Jesus is idolatry.

There are men desiring to play the role of God in people's lives. It's dangerous.

Paul didn't absolutely require people to copy him. At least he wasn't married but he allowed them to get married.

hupernikao:
Good evening
This submission seems good by common sense but I don't think it's scriptural. Can you back it up with scriptures and verses?

In the old testament, the children of Isreal were followers of Moses. This is because they didn't have the spirit of God in them and could not follow God directly. As a result Moses had spiritual authority over them, because God can only relate to them through Moses.

But the case is different in the new testament. Now every believer has the Spirit of God in him/her and as a result is capable of following Jesus directly. He is capable of hearing Jesus and submit to His authority directly. The duty of the pastor is to guide and teach him how to do that effectively. He cannot successfully follow pastor and follow Jesus at the same time. The Bible said you can't serve two master at the same time. He is meant to learn from the pastor but follow Jesus, on whose authority he submits totally.

A pastor does not have spiritual authority over you. Jesus is the spiritual authority over all christians.

We are not followers of pastors, we are followers of Jesus Christ, just like the pastor himself. The duty of the pastor is to lead us and teach us how to follow Jesus.

They are fellowship leaders.

Weedsmoker:
Bullshit.

Only lazy ass, unintelligent fellows go into yahooplus,real Yahoo without juju still pays till tommorow.Everything depends on what format you're using.

Alot of people are into the dating thing here in Nigeria "wey don cast".
Their are far more better and easier ways to pull out dollars from foreign clients without necessary using charms. Everything depends on your hardwork, smartness and consistency.Boyz are still receiving cashouts without jazz through bitcoins, cashapp, Western Union,paypal even till tomorrow.

You are the one talking bulshit.

Op said he was doing normal Yahoo and cashing out, but the pay wasn't big enough.
And that is the reality. There is an amount of money a maga cannot part with until you add plus to the Yahoo.

real1000:
Will allow government to testing run the Madagascar vaccine on your body

Lol. It's not a vaccine. It's herbal medicine.

They are using it already and it seems to be working.

Get prepared, the new world will run on digital currency

Microsoft already patented a device with patent number 060606.

The device when implanted on your body will send signals to a central server which will grant you digital currency based on your body activity, that is based on your compatibility to what you are asked to do.

They are really moving too fast.

You guys should expect 2 months lockdown.

Those china teskits are mostly 80% accurate. That means if 100 negative persons are tested, 20 will come out positive.

So the figure will keep increasing.

Wrong information. Fake news.

Lol
Anybody in love will feel all these.

Only a breakup will clear their eyes

Tango123:
Each time you get malaria, u used already developed drugs to treat it

Eqch time somwone gets covid 19, no drug to cure it

Sir, u comparism is not accurate. Comparing apples to avocado pear is not going to be good.

If u want to compare malaria reinfection to covid 19 reinfection, when u get malaria, dont treat it, dont take any anti malaria tablets. Just take only paracetamol and multivitamins.

Or do u not know that there is no drug yet for covid 19. Those who get it are only given pain killers to handle fever, oxygen. No drugs.

If your immune system could heal it the first time, it can heal it again and again.

Don't compare with malaria. We take drugs because immune system can't handle it.

The news is fake.

Lol
As long as WHO is concerned, nothing is going to work except a vaccine

If a survivor can't get enough antibodies to protect himself, then a vaccinated person won't get enough antibodies as well.

America actually have a lot of churches.

They pay tithes and pay taxes too.

Again, I don't know how church buildings are your problems. There are lots of buildings out there used for beer parlour and club houses, why are you not bothered about them?

Niceboyy:
that president is wicked,

(1)he does not allow anybody to access the internet in his country if you are found you will be killed.

(2) if 1 person commit in north Korea the full entire families will be arrested also.

(3) no tourist can visit the country, try and there will kill you.

(4) everybody must worship 1 particular Gods (status) in that country.
people in that country are crying all day, you are here saying another thing. I even choose buhari 10 times pass that man

That is his country men. What can he do to another country?

Lipscomb:
I hope the Singapore know the consequences of this fake news... if Kim Jong un is still alive.

What will he do?

The virus won't last that long.

Useless people.

One month lockdown, all the could do is 8000 tests.

I see why he is refusing a pay cut.

He needs to fund his lavish lifestyle.

Babapyro:
It is pathetic that you lots are supposed to be the future of this country, with this level of ignorance and widespread unintelligence among you this country is done for.
Any idiot with half a brain knows this is not going away anytime soon, you have access to internet but you do not use it judiciously, the organization at the epicenter responsible for the treatment and procurement of vaccine for the pandemic is speaking and you that you're in the far end of the world is saying otherwise.
How much more unintelligent can y'all be.
For the record you're the stupid one here, I just laugh at the way you kids discuss things that are way above your pay grade.

Lol. I shouldn't be arguing with someone that doesn't know the meaning of the word 'epicentre'. Go and consult your dictionary, kid.

Anyway this is a publication of the organization you have so much confident in.

Babapyro:
Use your brain whenever you want to comment OK,it's very important.

You are the one not using your brain.

There are lots of drugs on trial for the cure. How did he arrive at a conclusion that those drugs will not work?

You people are so dumb to swallow everything WHO dishes out. An organization that misled the whole world into believing human to human transmission of the virus was not happening.

Moralgladiator:
you are an illiterate... religious illiterate.

You are the real illiterate for trusting WHO.

You must know more than the US that just stopped funding them.

WHO that misled the whole world, by saying that human to human transmission of the virus was not happening in China.

Nelz77:
China did there’s with total lockdown
Don’t say what u don’t know.

There was no total lockdown in China. Only Wuhan was locked down.

You are big liers.

anigbajumo:
Lol,a cases of just 1,000 in two weeks ago is now over 12,000 is not a spread??

Do u knw wat u are saying at all??

Check your statistics bro.

The information said 1,812 has recovered.

It couldn't have been 1000 infections last 2 weeks.

It takes a month for a patient to recover.

And the death rate is barely 3%. Do the maths.

SirBunky85:
keep deceiving urself.

Wake up to reality

anigbajumo:
Hahaha,see this one ...

Saudi Arabia is one of the hottest country on Earth.. Google search the number of infection there and see urself,all these nonsense of hot region is pure lies,all these hungry local and international blogger feeding u with lies...The best information is there on WHO website not all these information from junck journalist,hot region ko hotter region no...Abeg stop misleading people here.

How is this a spread?

Considering that this is a religion tourist nation. Most of the cases could be imported.

VKconcept:
I think you need to schooled, where on earth did you see or being proved that Sun light can kill New novel Coronavirus.

just please stop all this assumptions crap

Who said sunlight?

I mean temperature.

allthingsgood:
Then why are people getting infected and dieing

Stop googling rubbish

Bro stop being lazy, do your personal research.

Don't relying on what the media and corrupt Nigerian officials are feeding you.