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niyihawking:
lol.......lmao

open to renouncing atheism is non of my business, as I'm a deist myself. But your comments so far is as that of a person rejoicing,thinking that his(mark) renouncement of atheism translate to his adoption of a religion (hence your statement " his link on his upbringing indicates a return"

do not think with emotions felixomor and start using your brain biko

i have explained this in ways 6 year olds can understand..yet

lol..weird!

Blogthug:
the easiest way to know an Agnostic Atheist position is an illogical position is to think about the Agnostic theist position lol yeah, think about it . All atheist based on the latest definition of atheism either lacks a belief in God (they don't have any right to ask for burden of proof for God or claim there is no God since they simply lack belief eg ) or disbelief in God (got burden of proof for disbelief claims ).

Agnostic atheism is a neologism, with an inherent contradictory construction (based on Huxley's definition of agnosticism) so it is an appeal to epistemic luck, hence a fallacy!

further more there is no definition of atheism the way u described urs up there, if there is, show us

if u can't say with certainty 100% that leprechauns don't exist it means u believe they don't but not 100% certain which means u still have burden of proof for ur claims that they don't because 1 all claims of non existence and existence gets to prove their claim and remember, absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence and again NEGATIVES can be proven eg. there is no square circle .

in conclusion, as long as Atheist CANT say how the universe was caused but keep believing its not God they keep making a fallacy from ignorance and having blind faith

a belief may comprise certainty and uncertainty..likewise a lack of belief...

Eg..i dont believe Chelsea will beat liverpool tonight..but i'm not sure...

I dont believe chelsea will beat liverpool tonight and i'm sure of it...

You see..its compactible...
Simple logic..

Even in religions..two opposites can merge for a set of beliefs..

Eg hinduism has a theistic version and also an atheistic version

KingEbukasBlog:
'I am not an atheist.'explaining at one point: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one [b]You may call me an agnostic

the bolded

I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

is this not most likely the comment of an agnostical mind?
Honestly?

Agnostic in the sense that he was not certain or is skeptical about a personal God not the existence of the Supreme Being . Albert Einstein was clearly a deist .

In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated
that My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid......

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i believe the bolded seals this!

LiberaDeus:
May you be blessed.

This hypocrites will always want to distance Christianity from religion when it suits them. They say Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, now just one influential person claims to accept religion and all of them here are running back under the canopy of religion.

Their religion needs the strength that comes from community and blind faith. They need the constant reassurance that they are right. The knowledge that comes from faith is very fleeting and shaky compared to the knowledge that comes from reason.


It's because of the nature of this faith knowledge that they need people reassuring them, they need community etc they are like blind men in a room seeking for what to hold on to in order to be sure that they are right. They are never fully confident that's why stories of pastors commiting sins deals a blow to their faiths.

As for freethinkers, we don't need to see other believing people in order to be sure. We believe because we followed a logical path to the truth. We don't need and depend on other peoples logic cause all brains can reason when they decide to.

they are used to being sheep...thats why they cant understand that marko was not an authority in atheism or religious skepticism!

Wilgrea7:
so now they want to use Albert Einstein... chai!! ... by the time his deism is confirmed.. some atheists might actually have heart attacks

you dont even know what we're talking about bro..

Chill..i know what i say.

Wilgrea7:
wow.... it took me a long time to read this thread... i saw atheists running upandan.... this is serious o... now atheists have no reason to say atheism comes by intelligence or that atheism is the driving force of technology... atheism really is on life support.... but don't y'all worry... I'll try and turn bill gates into an atheist so that you can have something to brag about

jonbellion... ma realest nigga... how market?

notjonbellion.... i sight you

ignorance!

So twas only mark who was an atheist in tech?

Let me spoil your mood a bit..

Google up linus torvalds..

And steve wozniak...

felixomor:
The guy is passionately holding on....
Lol

im not like you bro
thats your nature

KingEbukasBlog:
Albert Einstein has been removed from Wikipedia's list of deist

The last time I posted the Wikipedia link Albert Einstein was the first deist mentioned and now it has been edited

What nonsense is this ?

cc : winner01 , felixomor , 4evergod3

Anyway Albert Einstein said :

"I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist.

He also said He does not believe in a personal God and deprecated Religion - that's a deistic view .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein#Beliefs

In his last letter..he called himself an agnostic !..

Simple..

His letters from 1950 upwards...he labelled as an agnostic..on his position concerning God!

I dont know whats hard there...

Unless einstein didnt know what ''agnostic'' means abi?

Funny man you are asking me where is the
alleged books Paul wrote.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 Good News Translation (GNT)
In the letter that I wrote you I told you not to associate with immoral people.

see..there's another pauline supposedly inspired book...thats not in the bible..

Well what we have
today is the complete bible nothing more!

which ?
the one martin luther determined or the one the catholics did?
Or the one of the assyrian church of the east?
Or the coptic bible?
Which one sire?

Any other book is not inspired are at best forged.

how do you also account for instances in the
bible like Matt 2:23?
Matt 23:2-3?
1 Cor 10:4?
2 Tim 3:8?
1 Peter 3:19?
Jude 9?
James 5:17?
None of these statements appear in the old testament..
Even Jesus quoted a statement not found in the old testament in John 7:38

but they appear in other non-canonized books...
Are the also non-inspired?

Even in the old testament there are cases like these...some books are/were considered the word of God but are not in your bible...eg The acts of solomon

??
Cc.olaadegbu solite3

HerexG:
Albeit Einstein is not a Christian, check your facts right , Microsoft is agnostic, Leonardo is not a Christian

albert clearly called himself ''an agnostic''

maybe they think he was drunk when he said it

KingEbukasBlog:
Albert and Leonardo are deists and Bill is a devout Catholic
I posted two links there .

pls links to billy!
And please not his participation rubbish ticket

lepasharon:
But Catholics are not real christians , so christians say

he is not even a catholic.. I'm waiting for his answer!
He goes to the catholic church because of family and raising of kids..

OLAADEGBU:
See what bible scholars wrote Jesus.

why are you refusing to reply syncan?

4evergod3:
Billy is a PARTICIPATORY CATHOLIC.

Is he a bench warmer? Is he an atheist?

James 1:22

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

you didnt answer my question properly...
A simplified answer would be appreciated!


2)i saw you also called Marko a christian...
Why?
Why?
Why sire?

4evergod3:
Tell that to Mark Zucky and Bill gates.

Mark Zucky declared that after his spell of asking questions he is NOT an atheist.

He will be worth $50b shortly
He is the youngest Billionaire alive
He is smarter than you in leaps and bounds

Yeah i can see how reasonable you are as an atheist. You do realize that atheism and confusion go hand in hand and irrationality is their perfume.

is billy a christian?

notjonbellion:
ironically bro with the way they are behaving this is not what he said

na christian you quote oo

me..im done with the thread!

KingEbukasBlog:
I can also assert a deist analogy

When asked if he was an atheist ( Says there is no God )

He said No

you can assert anything...
But you forgot agnosticism exists...an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves

I was raised Jewish ( I was brought up with the acknowledgement of God ) and I questioned things ( I was religiously skeptical ) but now I see that religion (most likely a reference to Judaism ) is important

compare that with the analogy of the agnostic i gave...

Many irreligious persons can see and do see religion as important

Its obvious that Mark believed questioning Religion means you are questioning God's existence but now he has passed that stage and sees that its important to acknowledge the existence of God .

lier....
He sees religion as important..
Like i have said...
An atheist can see religion to be important..likewise anyother philosophical position..

2) if his usage of religion is the problem...(from your third quote)
Religion does not translate as God..
Atheistic religions exist..
A deist can also be religious...christian deism etc

do you now understand sire?

KingEbukasBlog:
As in eh .

Close to 15 pages and they still can't believe that their mentor wasn't even an atheist to start with .

why are you this confused?

His fb page clearly stated he was an atheist...as at the time...

You couldnt understand that the question was pertaining to ''now''

KingEbukasBlog:
The atheists are funny though

Why did he mention he was raised Jewish and said that questioned some things ?

Its obvious that it means he now acknowledges God's existence after he went through a stage of skepticism .

Its not abstruse

please provide where he said and ''now im jewish''

2)dont just jump in like a clueless monkey....we were talking about exclusively about his belief in God and not combined with religion

3)maybe you cannot 4 grasp the agnostic analogy i gave...

You can grasp at straws for eternity...

felixomor:
Of course....he believes..... He only ""questioned things" for a while and now he says he is back....
Keep holding..

i give up on you bro!
I give up!

hopefulLandlord:
if I decide to make Soyinka my role model, does he suddenly become my god?

i just taya!

felixomor:
Are u an atheist.... "No"
Are u still grabbing straws. Besides I felix, Am i an atheist, "No!" I also believe religion is important.
So cant u see my response is Identical to his?.....
Stop holding straws mehn...

why are you shifting the goal post?
You said he said he believes in God!
Haba!

felixomor:
Are you atheist....

"No"

Hahahaha...

come on' bro...
Youre better than this..

Agnostic chinedu

Tv presenter : Mr Chinedu..are you an atheist sire?

Chinedu :No..i was raised jewish..i did question my beliefs at some point in time but i see religion to be important!

You grab now?

felixomor:
He says he believes God exists. And that's a step in the journey ......
So why did it take u 3 mentions to grab that?

he never said so explictly!
He never said ''i believe in God''

Dudeweedlmao:
i thought budda was like a deity for the buddhist? i mean why else did the entire asians continent go apeshiit when christain rolando stepped on a pavement where budda statue was molded in?

he's not...he's kind of like a model for all buddhists to follow...

gokuu:
Abi o, I remember they usually say is "a way of life, not a religion".

you cant be a christian without being a hypocrite..
The very idea behind christianity is hypocritical itself!
Also christianity is a synonym of both confusion and hypocrisy..

musicwriter:
(1). "Atheism is nonsense".........Isaac Newton.

(2). “I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion”..........Albert Einstein, in a letter to Hans Muehsam, March 30, 1954.

(3). “I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”.................Albert Einstein, upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921.

As you can see above, what great minds do is try to explain God not totally dismiss it. Though I don't consider Mark Zuckerberg a great mind, but all I can assure you is that a great mind CANNOT be an atheist. Its not possible!!.

do you know who alan Turing is?

I guess not!..

36STATES:
You're very wrong. Every educated person (irrespective of belief) knows religion is important. I moved from being atheist to being agnostic and I have always known the social function of religion in the society, not least the sense of direction it provides to believers. That does not vitiate the many evils of religion. Mark Z never said he is now a believer from the statement, he merely recognizes the important place religion has in society and to believers. You can google the important of religion to help you understand what I am saying.

they are forgetting he is also a business man!

pressplay411:
The problem with Christianity lies in John 14.6 and its connotation.
Unlike other Faiths/Religions, Christians believe all non christian are doomed and going to hell.
I call it Monopoly of Faith.
Let's just thank God, christians don't believe in Jihad, otherwise...

no ooo..
Islam too...
You need allah to enter jannah!

hopefulLandlord:
atheism never claimed we came from big bang, atheism never laid any claim to how we came about

a lil bit of knowledge doesn't hurt bro, try finding out things for yourself

given the religious comments so far..

Would it be far fetched if we called their reasoning dumb?

hopefulLandlord:
nope you your previous comment shows how gods are made to fill gaps brought about by man's ignorance



I'm not competing against any god, maybe you were competing with a god when you were one but speak for yourself


that's generalisation again, atheists don't believe any god exists simple
your prerogative

think about it

you think about it

@the bolded!
Thats all...

I'd use this as from now!