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flamingREED:
Who disproved them.. Inform me, man.
You call scientific facts claims?
You must be a wannabe scientist.

i mean your stupid claims

flamingREED:
Now, who's really fooled?

lol... All these outdated debunked claims!
Please update

Anas09:
Now, what are you going to do about it?


I have an iphone. I brought, if it begins to misbehave, i can deside to throw it away, what can you do about it?

God created man, if he wants to kill him, what can you, or your father the devil do about it? Abosuletly nothing. You can only rant.

If there's something you can do, then go ahead and do it.

na to kill human being dey hungry yahweh..

See satan that has been jumping upandan he no fit kill am..

Or is he afraid of it?

MrMontella:
the christian god promotes abortion as a form of punishment na...

He loves it badly

lennycool..

It happens!

cc:lalasticlala seun

4everGod:
I edited what to my own taste? So you no longer know how to use google? If 2 are different from 20 which do you think is more accurate? Its a simple question.

If 20 people come and tell you the same story and 2 people come and say something different would you assume that the 2 were saying the truth or that they may not have been present especially if 20 other different people are saying the same thing?

When it gets to God you become suddenly unintelligent

logical fallacy:argumentum ad populum!

Lennycool:
Damn.
The barbarians that wrote the bible had serious issues.
And yet the Bible is supposed to guide us.

Any society that fully implements the laws of the Bible will descend into chaos.

why do you think the romans were able to rule the jews?

Ranchhoddas:
Hahahahaha.

baba...them just they make person laff since

EyeHateGod:
Lol her mouth? So Yahweh now takes mouth action?

guy...you wicked oo

the christian god promotes abortion as a form of punishment na...
He loves it badly

Hosea 13:16
Samaria must be punished for rebelling against me. Her people will die in war; babies will be dashed to the ground, and pregnant women will be ripped open.


Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

jonbellion:
don't mind them this is just them clutching at straws
A very desperate measure
Is a telegraph an OS-NO!
A smartphone is a computer that uses the knowledge of programming language to be configured
A telegraph sends and receives messages
They could have just said mobile phone but noooooo

did you see me respond to their quotes of my comment?

I just scoffed!...

I saw no legacy of smartphones
wetin concern smartphone with telegraph?

felixomor:
U r dull.
So if i give an account in my local dialect, it automatically means the people i spoke about in my book spoke my native dialect?

U r dull.
Teally

noo...it means they spoke chinese.

I do not expect you be able to logically distinguish between fact and fiction easily tho..

As its been scientifically proven with researches that people who were indoctrinated with religion and its nonsenses at a tender age..have a hard time differentiating fact from fiction..


Shalom!

felixomor:
Just look at the biggest of them all.
"communicate in hebrew"
I laugh at u in hebrew....
Abeg, where in the bible did they say they communicated in hebrew?
You dull sha

this boy is mad ooo!
What language is the OT written in?
Link that with usage of ''said'' in the cases..

So how many donkeys have you gisted with?
You can start up a circus... It would favour you

felixomor:
Snakes communicate Donkeys communicate. In short, All animals communicate
Cant u guys just reason out better arguments for urself?
Is atheism a google based stuff?

oboi abeg shut up!
Please explain in clear terms how snakes communicate in hebrew!
Or tell us the number of donkeys you've had conversations with

4kings:
I see
A lion to a pride or one's abilities to that of a society, are incomparable, and also we know their limits.
But do you know the capabilities and limits of a(one) God

i do not tho...

Same here.


I lost you from "materialistic I"
Please shed more light.

i mean the concept of an immaterial soul as the source of ''i'' doesnt seem likely...

Also note that I was talking about the WILL of the Creators(individually and collectively) not humans

oh!

Well...how do i know the will of the creators..if i dont know their nature?

Omudia11:
I'm not delusional sir. Hating Islam is justifiable. In the past year alone, all the suicide bombers the world has recorded has been Muslims.

you have been lied to!

We have christian suicide bombers..

Christian extremists..
So is hating christianity justifiable?

The twin tower bombers were Muslims and their act was even celebrated in the middle east (its even on tape).

tell that to the witch hunts done by christians etc

You don't see american Christians posting all over social media that Christians should be annihilated, only "militant atheists", do. Atheists don't lose their jobs on their positions on atheism, only Christians do.

maybe you're not in planet earth..

Even nigeria sef!

Muslims having a hard time? Lol. Do you know what happens to Christians in most Islamic countries? Let me not even go too far, northern Nigeria is a case study.

maybe you should do some dig-up in history..

Youre talking thrash...honestly

dreezybines:
A "Christian" will never force you to become a Christian...

You'll never see a "Christian" abusing other peoples believe...

tell that to chris okotie and other christian evangelists on nairaland..

So there's nothing like "Salvation Argument"...

yes..thats why even within christianity there are 33000 denominatioons

If I preach to u and tell u to give your life to Christ and you don't, I will never force or argue any matter with you...I'll just go my own way knowing I've done my part as a "Christian"...

A "Christian" should never argue with an atheist because the Bible already said "A fool says in his heart there is no God"...

So arguing about salvation with an atheist will only make me a fool.

only a fool will believe his God was killed by three nails

kevoh:
Obama is the anti_christ! How can he agree to sign such demonic law of freedom? Doesn't he know that atheism is dying everywhere due to the spread of internet use?

im telling you
atheism is dying!

Typical christian delusion!

these rubbishes that have been debunked before

Orikinla:
Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus

Bible prophecy: Isaiah 7:14
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah addresses the "house of David," meaning the family and descendants of King David, and speaks of a virgin being pregnant with a child, and giving birth to the child. Isaiah says this in the context of it being a sign from God. He also says that the child would be referred to as "Immanuel," which means, "God with us."

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke record details involving the birth of Jesus, who was born about 700 years after the time of Isaiah, saying that he was born of the virgin Mary and is the Son of God. Because he is the Son of God, Jesus literally can be referred to as "God with us."

Non-Christian scholars have challenged this interpretation. They say that the Hebrew word "almah," which is the word that Christian Bibles often translate as "virgin," actually means "young maiden" or "young woman." It should be noted that the Old Testament uses the word to refer to young, unmarried women, and that unmarried women were culturally and religiously expected to be virgins. One example can be found in Genesis 24:43, where it speaks of a person being sought as a bride for Isaac.

Isaiah 7:14 (NIV):

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

[quote author=raphieMontella post=48967511]the acclaimed virgin birth prophecy matthew claimed was fulfiled in matthew 1:22-23:[/color][/b]
In the original context, however,
Isaiah made this statement as a sign to Ahaz, king
of Judah, that an alliance recently formed against him by Rezin, the king of Syria, and Pekah, the king of Israel, would not succeed in defeating him. The
Lord (Yahweh), as he was prone to do in those days, had sent Isaiah to reassure Ahaz that the
alliance would not prevail. Isaiah begged Ahaz to ask for a sign that his prophecy was true
.Finally,
Isaiah said to him, "Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you
weary my God also? Therefore Yahweh Himself will
give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive,
and bear a Son, and shall call his name
Immanuel" (Isaiah 7:13-14).
The context
clearly shows that this so-called prophecy was made not to foretell the birth of Jesus some 700
years later but the birth of a child to that time and
that situation.(believed to be isaiah's wife)
How could a birth that would happen 700 years later, after Ahaz was dead and the battles
had long since been fought, have been a sign to
him that the Syrian-Israelite alliance would fail?.
"Immanuel". Since that name means
"God with us", it was supposed to show Ahaz that
God was on his side..Mary nor Joseph never called Jesus ''Immanuel''
The Hebrew word "almah" which is used in the Isaiah verse does not mean "virgin" but "young
woman" and the prophecy means
[b] the ''young woman'' is with child/pregnant .. It is correctly translated in the Tanakh, the Revised Standard Version, the Revised English Bible, and the New Jerusalem Bible,and the Catholic bible..

However The Hebrew word "bethulah" means "virgin." In
the book of Isaiah, "bethulah" appears four times (23:12, 37:22, 47:1, 62:5), so its author was aware of the word;and would have used the word ''bethulah'' since that concept(A virgin birth) was totally foreign to them and would have been a remarkable event[/b]

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem

Bible prophecy: Micah 5:1-2
Prophecy written: Sometime between 750-686 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Micah 5:2, there is a prophecy that reveals that Bethlehem would be the birthplace of the Messiah.

As pointed out in the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig: "The prophecy is effective in a simple way: It eliminates all other cities and towns throughout the world as a place in which the Messiah could be born. It narrows the possibilities to one tiny village just south of Jerusalem."

And throughout the span of the past 27 centuries, from the days of the prophet Micah up through the present time, Bethlehem is credited as being the birthplace for only one person who is widely known throughout the world. And that person is Jesus Christ.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke name the town of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Jesus. Matthew 2:1-6 describes the birth of Jesus as the fulfillment of Micah's prophecy.

In recent years, however, some non-believers have attempted to discredit Matthew's interpretation of Micah 5:2 by claiming that the prophecy refers to a person named Bethlehem, not a town name Bethlehem. This claim has been widely circulated on the Internet by a college professor who describes himself as a former Christian minister.

The first problem with this claim appears in Micah 5:1. In that verse, the prophet establishes that he is speaking of Bethlehem the town, not Bethlehem the person, by setting up a context in which he contrasts the great city of Jerusalem with the humble town of Bethlehem.

A second problem with the claim is that there is also evidence outside of the Bible that shows that Micah 5:2 was regarded as a Messianic prophecy involving the town of Bethlehem. Here is an excerpt from the Jerusalem Talmud, which is a collection of Judaism-related writings completed about 1600 years ago:

"The King Messiah... from where does he come forth? From the royal city of Bethlehem in Judah." - Jerusalem Talmud, Berakoth 5a.

Micah 5:1-2 (NIV):

1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah

the bolded words show how dishonest your source is

In Matthew 2:4-6..He claims that the prophecy in Micah 5:2 was fulfiled..

.

"Bethlehem Ephrathah" is the name of the descendants of eprahtah and also the name of a person

person: Bethlehem the son (or grandson) of Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 4:4, 2:50-51)
In biblical times...it was the norm for the name of a person to become the name of a town..

This prophecy could therefore refer to either a native of
the clan or a descendent of the person. If the latter, Jesus does not qualify since neither of his
alleged genealogies list
either Bethlehem or Ephrathah.



[quote]Bible prophecy: Genesis 49:10
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Genesis 49:10, Jacob is blessing his 12 sons. This blessing was also a prophecy. Jacob told his son Judah that his descendants would be rulers and that one of his descendants will be an ultimate ruler. According to the NIV translation: "The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his." Christians acknowledge that this is a reference to Jesus Christ, whose kingdom will have no end. Jesus was born about 2000 years after Jacob died. Jesus' ancestry is traced back to Jacob's son, Judah, in Luke 3:23-34 and in Matthew 1:1-16. Today, there are some estimates that claim that there are as many as 2 billion Christians worldwide who follow the teachings of Jesus.

Genesis 49:10 (NIV):

The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.

please tell us in clear terms...
How a man who was not respected by a great percentage of his own country men and was killed by three nails was an ultimate ruler?

Nations would seek the counsel of Jesse's descendant

Bible prophecy: Isaiah 11:1-10
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Isaiah 11:1-10, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a ruler who would be a descendant of Jesse. Jesse was the father of ancient Israel's great King David. This descendant would rule with true justice and true faith, and he would establish true peace. This peace would be so great that even wild animals would be able to lie down next to one another. This descendant would also become a standard for people throughout the world. And, this descendant would be sought by people throughout the world.

This is an important prophecy for Christians because we believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of this Old Testament promise. Jesus, as explained in the New Testament, is a descendant of Jesse. And Jesus has become a standard for peoples throughout the world. In fact, Christianity is the first religion to spread to every country in the world. The words of Jesus, which speak of true justice, true faith and true peace, have been taught to people in every country in the world. We Christians also believe that Jesus will return in the future to establish a kingdom on earth, a kingdom of justice and righteousness.

There is an ancient Hebrew text, called the Targum Jonathan, in which Rabbis sought to interpret passages of the Old Testament scriptures. The Targum Jonathan shows that at least some of the ancient Rabbis believed that the message contained in Isaiah 11:1-10 was a reference to a Messiah. Here is an excerpt from the Targum Jonathan: "And there shall go forth a King from the Sons of Jesse, and the Messiah shall be anointed from his children's children." Jesse was the father of King David. But the Messiah would be a descendant of Jesse, specifically through his son David.

Isaiah 11:1-10 (NIV):

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling[1] together; and a little child will lead them.

7 The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest.

9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.

NIV Footnote: [1] Hebrew; Septuagint lion will feed

the painful part is that..jesus was never a King...nor had any high ranking post/office as the passage suggests
Definitely not him!

The Messiah would be a descendant of King David

Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 23:5
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other Bible prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke trace back Jesus' genealogy to King David. (Some scholars believe that the genealogy in Matthew is Jesus' legal line, through his adoptive father, Joseph, and that the genealogy in Luke is Jesus' bloodline through Mary).

Jeremiah 23:5 (NIV):

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

many other messiahs have been descendants of david..

Like simon bar kokhba etc..

2)if you believe jesus was born through a ''virgin conception'' then..it debunks your claim that jesus was a descendant of david!



i'm yet to see prophecies jesus fulfilled

LiberaDeus:
Don't jump to conclusions immediately.

A high number of neuroscientists accept the fact that consciousness doesn't end when brain or neural activity seems to be over. That is not definite proof of life after death and even if you feel its proof, what type of life exists after death?

If you are going to follow scientific research then follow it totally not going back and forth between science and faith.
Scientists have conducted numerous experiments on life after death and the unanimous conclusion is that there is a strong possibility of consciousness after clinical death, now if you are going to cite their conclusions as fact then follow them all through because the same science doesn't affirm your version of an after life containing heaven and hell.

clinical death..is not DEATH..

If they were dead...they would be organ donors!..thats a fact!

shadeyinka:
I wonder why this your statements are full of self. Since you know all, speakup.

Under what conditions should traditions replace the scriptures.

Just these 3 in one question?
Is Peter the first Pope?
If he is, why is he Married?
Shouldn't Popes be celebrate?


If you answer these three questions satisfactorily, then, you would have convinced me beyond all doubt that we can follow traditions as Authorities just like the Scriptures.

Other than that, you are just speaking from sentiments

it was never stated that peter had a wife....only mother-in-law...

My brothers wife's mother is still my mother -in-law right?

4kings:
For now! ....

I agree with this, so does Michio Kaku.
Hmmm

But a single lion is also deadly.

of couse..but never compareable

Sure when talking in general terms.
But creative abilities can also be expressed by a Single Man.

general is the keyword..

So how do you address Omnipotence, Omniscience, and

i dont believe omniscience is possible...
Same with omnipotence

Will.

will is a very tricky aspect of life...



Sometimes ''will'' is an illusion..

Some actions are performed subconsciously..while we think we are performing them..

We do not have a choice in reflex actions..

Sometimes our brains make decisions and our body carries it out but we never had an intent of such actions...

Our will can be manipulated and be made to do what another person wants...
both magnetically and pschologically.


The researches seem to be favouring a materialistic ''I''



But i take the relationship betweeen '' I '' and the brain/body to be simple..
Like a block and its cubical shape..

Destroy the block..you destroy the shape..



Also Will is not exclusive to humans...thats one of the reasons(Major) i favor a materialistic pattern.

KingEbukasBlog:
Joke ?

How did this elude you my dear friend , Christ's teachings deplore the acts of ostensible Christians while the despotic atheists justified their reprehensible acts with subjective morality .

ehen?
And subjective morality tells us that murder is wrong...
Even the laws of the state outlaw it so what rubbish are you still saying?

Pls dont say individual interpretation!..it can alos apply to christians..
''I come not to bring peace but a sword''

''whoever does not hate his father..mother.....cannot become my disciple''(Kjv or so)

naijadeyhia:
Young man only 52 atheists world wide have trumped deaths caused by religion or civil wars world wide. Can i show you the records?

can we?

CoolUsername:
Every group perpetuates despicable acts. If we were to tally up the body count of every single theist who ever lived with that of every single atheist for whatever reason (motive is never a problem when atheists are involved, anyway), you probably won't like the results.

You sound like a broken record.

he is a broken record..

naijadeyhia:
I never said "ALL" I said this is a case of "use your tongue to count your teeth"

I gave you instances of atheists here who are angry for no apparent reason at theists like we are the reason why they were born into the world and they lash out without restraint. Surely you know them but does that mean its all of them?

Some of them may still be transitive while others have arrived at that point or others have moved on from that point and just do not want to be bothered but how are their emotions controlled? How are they balanced?

If an atheist here on NL could wish death and extinction upon everyone i am surprised it does not bother you. If this was abroad and the law enforcement happen upon that thread they would be keeping a close eye on that Nairalander as he fits the profile of a mass murderer or is suicidal. Am i wrong?

tell that to pidgin2

she said she can kill her child if a stupid voice in her head tells her to

she fits that profile too

availableisme:
You can look at it in two ways and that is as

a. His father’s sister, That is, kinswoman, as the Hebrew word frequently means. Amminadab or a prince of the tribe of Judah. If you look at it this way then we can say that the Levites might marry into any tribe, there being no danger of confusion or loss of inheritance thereby.

she was not a kinswoman whatever

b. .If you can tell me when the Law was given or when it began then you can deduce your answer for yourself. Did Genesis 17: 16 come before Leviticus 18:12?

did enoch walk with God or not?

KingEbukasBlog:
so if you are in Finand or Hungary , you'll accept Bestiality as morally tight .

will you go against the law?
Those who like it...they should practise it..

Those who dont...you go about your normal business!

Its not your animal..
If it is..you can sue the person !

Consumption of alcohol is not generally accepted as morally right in every country...it is outlawed in some..

And not everyone drinks alcohol...

You can link it...!

Cheers!

KingEbukasBlog:
All are assumptions . Anything about emotions in evolution is based on assumptions .

What about embarrassment , shame and feeling humiliated , they didn't make the cut ?

shame is not restricted to humans bro!

KingEbukasBlog:
I've given you reasons why child marriages are not approved by God .

Christians are not allowed to put gay people to death . What is this one saying ?

If the society determines what's right or wrong that means bestiality is right for an atheist in Canada , Hungary and Finland

of course society does...


You always dodge when i ask you
why is the christian accepted way of female dressing moral/right when the quran offers a better alternative and condemns the christian accepted way?