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TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 11:07am On Aug 15, 2014
For the benefit of those who are expecting their packages after receiving approval email:

As I stated previously, my wife applied on the 5th of August in Abuja and received the approval email on the 13th of August (two days ago). Her return ticket to the UK was for 16th (on Saturday) so I was understandably worried after hearing stories about the delay between "approval email" and receipt of package.

Yesterday, the VFS tracking information changed to "Processed passport in transit to the UK visa application centre". I therefore advised my wife to ignore the UPS service she paid for and fly to Abuja. She did and lo and behold, her package was there and was given to her after she wrote a letter cancelling the UPS service.

Based on her experience, it seems to me that passports get to the VAC the day status changes to "application in transit" (the approval email stated "within two working days"wink. However, it appears that if you paid for courier, there is no hurry to hand it over to UPS and your package is just left at VFS, perhaps until such a time when they have enough number?

(By the way, even as I write, the status on the VFS website still says "processed passport in transit to the UK visa operation centre"wink
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 3:59pm On Aug 14, 2014
CAS is generated by the UK Home Office and not the school and it can actually be gotten in one working day if the school s serious. If they have actually sent the request as they claim, it should be generated same day or the next day at the most.
Bambamzzzz: i just called them and they told me on the phone that the request has been made and that my agent will let me know when the CAS is out, but my question is that who generate the cas number ? is it the school or the immigration please reply oh
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 1:28am On Aug 14, 2014
I will STRONGLY advice you to follow the advice of your school's international student support officer. The Tier 4 Policy Guidance is VERY CLEAR about the type of receipt required. Email confirmation DOES NOT fail within the definition. For ease of reference, this is what the guidance states:

"If your Tier 4 sponsor has not included details of the money you have already paid on your CAS, you must send an original paper receipt issued by your UK Tier 4 sponsor confirming that you have paid:
• all of your fees; or
• the amount that you have paid."

HudsonBanks: Good evening my people!
Have a quick question....So I contacted an International student support officer at my school concerning some unclear questions on the Tier 4 application form. Below is an excerpt from her reply email

Have any of your course fees been paid?
Yes - Paid to UK Education Provider
Have any of your accommodation fees been paid to your sponsor?
No – we do not include this amount on the CAS
Do you have any remaining fees or maintenance still due for payment?
Yes – You will need to show maintenance of £7,380
My question - Can I use the payment confirmation email for accommodation deposit as Original or Official receipt in my application since it isn't stated on my CAS and select "Yes" to the accommodation payment question on the form instead of what was advised by the support officer?
@justwise please your million dollar advice is needed.
DonOms: If the payment confirmation is sent directly from your school's official email, and if your name is clearly written as the payer, together with amount paid towards accommodation, then it should be alright to use the email. However, note that the maximum money you can show towards accomm. is £1020.
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 7:51pm On Aug 13, 2014
From my experiences, they don't. In the past two months, I've had to deal with them twice. In both cases,appointments were booked but no one said anything about it at the gate or inside. As a result, in both cases, the applicants went in as soon as they got to the centre and finished before the times they had appointment for.
Bambamzzzz: So abuja dont follow appointment time like lagos?please enlight me on that because lagos will not allow you to enter until 15min to your appointment time pls say something people that have submitted in abuja
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 7:46pm On Aug 13, 2014
Bambamzzzz: Please can i fly to abuja and submit and use dhl to return it to my house in lagos? please respond my people
They can courier it to your house in Lagos. However, they use UPS not DHL.
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 6:54pm On Aug 13, 2014
Bambamzzzz: And is it possible to get appointment on monday if you book on friday for abuja? was just thinking it might not have so much crowd like lagos because if i get my reissue cas on friday then i might apply straight away for monday in abuja if possible.
@ spikesC say something about what i asked you before nah
You can only book Abuja appointment at least two days in advance. So if you want Monday, you have to book on Thursday. Having said that, Abuja centre doesn't really place emphasis on appointments. They only ask for your passport and application forms at the gate.
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 5:24pm On Aug 13, 2014
I'm pleased to say that my wife received her "your application has been approved and the visa has been issued" email today. She applied in Abuja on the 5th of August. Many thanks to you all for all the advice, suggestions and information on this forum.
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 2:35pm On Aug 13, 2014
Are you sure of what you are saying? Anyways, if your ViSA start date is actually 6th of October, it goes without saying that you cannot use it until then.
cookies: Hello people, please my visa start date is 6th October but I'm planning to leave on 28th of this month, because I need time to settle in before school resumes. Hope it won't be an issue at heathrow airport London? Advice please, thanks .
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 9:45pm On Aug 12, 2014
Congratulations! What date did you eventually submit your application?
kindebo: Hello house, had a slight issue a while ago about my appointment but thanks to you guys the issue has been resolved and got my visa today. Thank you all. smiley
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 9:16am On Aug 09, 2014
baddoski: Hello house applied for my visa on Monday 4/8/2014 and got it issued on Friday just like to thank everyone in this thread for the help.
Congratulations! That was fast. Where did you apply?
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 1:15pm On Aug 08, 2014
Congratulations! When and where did you apply?

catherine0709: Your application has been approved and the visa has been issued. We aim to return passports to the VAC within 2 working days. You can check the location of your passport at www.ukvac-ng.com.
for me my wife and my daughter.
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 11:59pm On Aug 05, 2014
ruksy: Goodevening everyone. The information I have gathered here has been extremely useful I must confess and I wish to appreciate everyone's meaningful contribution especially Mr.Justwise. I am having a little issue though. I just tried registering on the UK website so that I can apply for my Visa and book an appointment date. It keeps telling me that my registration is unsuccessful. I don't know what the problem is. Could it be that the website is up only during working hours?
Please a reply will be highly appreciated.
Thank you
It could be that your email has been registered before with the system. I had a similar issue in the past. Try to register with another email address ( if you have another).
TravelRe: Uk Student Visa/tier 4 Pbs - Your Questions Answered Part2 by muami(m): 12:21pm On Jul 28, 2014
Does anyone have contact email address and phone numbers for the Tuberculosis test centre in Abuja that works? The three phone numbers below are always 'switched off'. I also sent an email to the email address below since 21 July 2014 but have gotten no response.

Tel: +234(0) 807 219 1122, or
+234 (0) 80 9563 7898, or
+234 (0) 80 8522 1427

Email: iomabujamedicalbooking@iom.int
PoliticsRe: 183 Osun "Observers" To Anambra Are Fake - INEC by muami(op): 10:33am On Nov 23, 2013
aryzgreat: It is obvious NL mods and super mod are very bias. I expect this thread to make FP immediately. When d news about d arrest of d thugs was televised, the counter report from d APC media osuncriminaldefender and d apc yeye activist abi na lawyer festus keyamo cried wolf dat they wia accredited. Osun defender even show a document form inec to support dia futile effort at saving these touts.

Now a contrary report indicting the touts is here, I hope d biased super mod do d needful and ket d world know who r d liars. Festus keyamo has remain silent, liar muhamed is now dumb. Osuncriminaldefenders r out of lies to publish to defend her 181 sons and daughters languishing in cell.

Yeye APC!
I entirely agree with you! In fact a new post about PDP denying that they they described the Anambra Election As Free & Fair has quickly made it to the Front Page because it supports APC's position about the election.
PoliticsRe: 183 Osun "Observers" To Anambra Are Fake - INEC by muami(op): 7:10am On Nov 23, 2013
leighcon: But there's nothing in the news suggesting the title (183 Osun "Observers" To Anambra State Are Fake - INEC) of this thread. INEC nor its representatives did not in anyway insinuate they are fake.......
Maybe the following comments from JEGA himself will help your small mind to understand better!

"[b]Jega also insisted that the 181 people from Osun State who claimed to be election observers and were arrested in Owerri, Imo State were fake as they were not accredited by the commission to monitor the election, saying that they forged an accreditation card of a group which was actually accredited by the commission.
According to Jega, “the so-called election observers from Osun State are fake. They did not belong to any accredited organisation. They did not come to Awka, the state capital, where the accreditation took place. They went to camp in Owerri for only God knows reasons. We should commend the security agencies that caught them before they could wreak their havoc.
“They are not INEC accredited election observers, we have our facts that they were coming for another mission. As we speak, we learnt that the Osun State Director of Public Prosecution, (DPP) was even trying to take over the case which is an electoral offence. You can see that something is fishy,” Jega further explained"[/b]
http://tribune.com.ng/news2013/index.php/en/news/lead-stories/item/26950-jega-talks-tough-on-anambra-%E2%80%A2says-%E2%80%98we-won%E2%80%99t-cancel-polls%E2%80%99-%E2%80%A2inec-fixes-nov-30-for-supplementary-election-%E2%80%A2insists-181-arrested-people-from-osun-were-fake-election-observers-%E2%80%A2we-won%E2%80%99t-participate-in-supplementary-election-apc.html
PoliticsRe: 183 Osun "Observers" To Anambra Are Fake - INEC by muami(op): 8:31pm On Nov 22, 2013
leighcon: But there's nothing in the news suggesting the title (183 Osun "Observers" To Anambra State Are Fake - INEC) of this thread. INEC nor its representatives did not in anyway insinuate they are fake.......
In addition to the brilliant quote from Jmaine, you can also look digest the following:

"They were arraigned for prosecution by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) whose observer accreditation materials they are accused of having forged, following the submission of the investigation report by Investigating Police Officer (IPO) Okoi Omini."
Politics183 Osun "Observers" To Anambra Are Fake - INEC by muami(op): 7:44pm On Nov 22, 2013
183 Suspected Fake Observers Arraigned in Imo

The 183 persons arrested in Imo State on the eve of the November 16 Anambra State governorship election on charges of forging observer accreditation materials and possession of arms were on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, arraigned in Magistrate Court 2, Owerri. They were arraigned for prosecution by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) whose observer accreditation materials they are accused of having forged, following the submission of the investigation report by Investigating Police Officer (IPO) Okoi Omini.

The arraignment on Wednesday was not without a dramatic twist, as a lawyer from the office of the Imo State Director of Public Prosecution (DPP), C. N. Akobundu, showed up in court and requested to take over the prosecution; arguing that the offences the suspects are being accused of, namely forgery and possession of arms, are criminal in nature. But INEC’s lawyer, Mr. Emmanuel Ogbodu, objected to this request; arguing that forgery of observer accreditation documents is an electoral offence. The Commission’s lawyer also insisted that the State Attorney-General either make personal appearance to request take-over of the prosecution, or that the DPP’s office bring a written mandate from the Attorney-General to that effect.

The Magistrate, Mrs. Maureen Onyewotu, adjourned hearing in the case to February 5, 2014, when the lawyers are expected to formally present their arguments. Meanwhile, the suspects have been admitted to bail on strict conditions, namely individual bail bond of N50, 000, two sureties each resident within the jurisdiction – with evidence of utility bills and tax clearance for the past three years, identification documents like International Passport, National ID or Driver’s Licence.
http://www.inecnigeria.org/?inecnews=183-suspected-fake-observers-arraigned-in-imo

....AND JEGA HIMSELF EXPLAINS FURTHER:

"Jega also insisted that the 181 people from Osun State who claimed to be election observers and were arrested in Owerri, Imo State were fake as they were not accredited by the commission to monitor the election, saying that they forged an accreditation card of a group which was actually accredited by the commission.
According to Jega, “the so-called election observers from Osun State are fake. They did not belong to any accredited organisation. They did not come to Awka, the state capital, where the accreditation took place. They went to camp in Owerri for only God knows reasons. We should commend the security agencies that caught them before they could wreak their havoc.
“They are not INEC accredited election observers, we have our facts that they were coming for another mission. As we speak, we learnt that the Osun State Director of Public Prosecution, (DPP) was even trying to take over the case which is an electoral offence. You can see that something is fishy,” Jega further explained""
http://tribune.com.ng/news2013/index.php/en/news/lead-stories/item/26950-jega-talks-tough-on-anambra-%E2%80%A2says-%E2%80%98we-won%E2%80%99t-cancel-polls%E2%80%99-%E2%80%A2inec-fixes-nov-30-for-supplementary-election-%E2%80%A2insists-181-arrested-people-from-osun-were-fake-election-observers-%E2%80%A2we-won%E2%80%99t-participate-in-supplementary-election-apc.html
Politics£3000 UK Visa Bond Plan Abandoned. by muami(op): 11:53am On Nov 03, 2013
Plans for a £3,000 "security bond" for some "high risk" overseas visitors to the UK are to be abandoned, the Home Office has confirmed.

The visa bond scheme was announced by Home Secretary Theresa May in June and was set to be introduced this month.

A Home Office spokesman confirmed a Sunday Times report that the policy would be scrapped.

The decision is thought to have been taken after Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg threatened to block it.

The aim of the scheme was to reduce the number of people from some "high risk" countries - including India, Pakistan, and Nigeria - staying in the UK once their short-term visas had expired.

Visitors would have paid a £3,000 cash bond before arrival in the UK - forfeited if they failed to make the return trip.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24793092
TravelUK £3000 Visitor Bond For Nigerians Scrapped! by muami(op): 11:46am On Nov 03, 2013
Plans for a £3,000 "security bond" for some "high risk" overseas visitors to the UK are to be abandoned, the Home Office has confirmed.

The visa bond scheme was announced by Home Secretary Theresa May in June and was set to be introduced this month.

A Home Office spokesman confirmed a Sunday Times report that the policy would be scrapped.

The decision is thought to have been taken after Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg threatened to block it.

The aim of the scheme was to reduce the number of people from some "high risk" countries - including India, Pakistan, and Nigeria - staying in the UK once their short-term visas had expired.

Visitors would have paid a £3,000 cash bond before arrival in the UK - forfeited if they failed to make the return trip.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24793092
PoliticsRe: 57 PDP Reps Declare Support For Atiku’s Faction by muami(m): 11:42am On Sep 04, 2013
These are NOT igbos. They are ALL from Rivers State and are ONLY on the List because of Amaechi. Remove Amaechi from the equation and ALL you have are NORTHERNERS
cKaiser: 18. HON. ANDREW UCHENDU
19. HON. ASITA HONOURABLE
21. HON. BLESSING NSIEGBE
22. HON. DAKUKU PETERSIDE
23. HON. DAWARI GEORGE
25. HON. GIBSON NATHANIEL
26. HON. GOGO BRIGHT TAMUNU
46. HON. OGBONNA NWUKE
PoliticsRe: Contractors Still Absent On Lagos-ibadan Expressway by muami(m): 5:34pm On Jul 28, 2013
The Federal Controller of Works, Lagos State, Oluwatoyin Obikoya, on Sunday said that emergency repairs would be carried out on portions causing gridlock on the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway.
“The contractors are not folding their arms; the bottlenecks at Ibafo area on the Lagos-bound lane will be cleared,” he said was quoted by the News Agency of Nigeria.
“Julius Berger will carry out emergency repair of those sections so that motorists would enjoy smooth ride and not spend long time on that road again,“ he said.
The controller said logistics were being put in place for the commencement of the reconstruction of the road.
The reconstruction, awarded to Julius Berger and RCC Nig. Ltd., was flagged off by President Goodluck Jonathan on July 5.
“When a contract is awarded, the contractor usually has to build a site yard which involves acquiring land and clearing trees and grasses.
“It has to build an office, establish a quarry, an asphalt plant and all other necessary things, “ he said.
Mr. Obikoya said the process could take up to one month or more.
He said that the contractors’ major challenge was land acquisition.
He, however, said that there had been negotiations with land owners for release of some portions.
http://premiumtimesng.com/news/141791-julius-berger-to-do-emergency-repairs-on-lagos-ibadan-expressway.html
LiteratureRe: Say No To Child Marriage by muami(m): 3:30pm On Jul 20, 2013
By Ayo Turton
The social media - Twitter, Facebook, different yahoogroups and what-have-you are all buzzing, my in-boxes on all my email accounts have been busy, text messages have not been spared, it has gone spiral that the Nigerian Senate has passed a law that made it right to sexually abuse our minors through forced and premature marriages. Some say the law relating to marriageable age in our Constitution has been removed. Petitions are flying right, left and center to the United Nations, Human Rights organizations across the world and anyone that may care to listen, all requiring me to sign in on the petitions, when I could not ignore the deafening intrusions again and when the name of that guy that bought a baby girl from Egypt for a wife (I mean he is old enough to be her ancestor) keep popping up in all the messages, I decided to get off my butt and get involved and informed.

But then it took me just a few phone calls and a quick check on the content of our Constitution to discover that it is just a storm in a tea cup. It turned out that what happened on the floor of the Senate has absolutely nothing to do with a child’s right or marriageable age.

Now what really happened; a Senate Committee made recommendations for the amendment of Sections 26 and 29 of the Constitution that dealt with Citizenship and Renunciation of Citizenship respectively.

Section 26 of the 1999 Constitution states as follows:

26. (1) Subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, a person to whom the provisions of this section apply may be registered as a citizen of Nigeria, if the President is satisfied that -
(a) he is a person of good character;
(b) he has shown a clear intention of his desire to be domiciled in Nigeria; and
(c) he has taken the Oath of Allegiance prescribed in the Seventh Schedule to this Constitution.
(2) the provisions of this section shall apply to-
(a) any woman who is or has been married to a citizen of Nigeria; or
(b) every person of full age and capacity born outside Nigeria any of whose grandparents is a citizen of Nigeria.

For gender balance, the word “woman” @ section 26 (2) (a) was recommended for removal to cover “men” as well, the amendment passed without an incident.

It was recommended that Section 29 (4) (b) of the Constitution be removed as infringing the right of a child because it purportedly remove the maturity age for a child to marry, I do not think so.

Here is what Section 29 of the Constitution says:
(1) Any citizen of Nigeria of full age who wishes to renounce his Nigerian citizenship shall make a declaration in the prescribed manner for the renunciation.

(2) The President shall cause the declaration made under subsection (1) of this section to be registered and upon such registration, the person who made the declaration shall cease to be a citizen of Nigeria.

(3) The President may withhold the registration of any declaration made under subsection (1) of this section if-
(a) the declaration is made during any war in which Nigeria is physically involved; or
(b) in his opinion, it is otherwise contrary to public policy.
(4) For the purposes of subsection (1) of this section.
(a) "full age" means the age of eighteen years and above;
(b) any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age.

The clause that is really causing this unnecessary hullabaloo is Section 29 (4) (b). That clause has always been part of our laws, but the Senate moved to remove it as infringing on child's right by making every married woman an adult. At the taking of the vote for the first time, they got two-third to remove it from the Constitution. But Yerima stood up and whipped up religious sentiment by galvanizing his Muslim brothers who ignorantly believed him into action. When the peace was threatened, David Mark, the Senate President capitulates and asked that the vote be taken again, at this point they were no longer able to garner two-third votes to remove the provision from the Constitution, so it remains.

Now to the legal issue:

Section 29 (4) CLEARLY states: "for the purposes of subsection 1"

Section 29 subsection (1) CLEARLY states: "Any citizen of Nigeria of full age WHO WISHES TO RENOUNCE HIS NIGERIAN CITIZENSHIP (emphasis mine) shall make a declaration in the prescribed manner for the renunciation".

This is called "narrow definition” Subsection (1) narrowly defined under what circumstances the definitions stated at clauses (a) and (b) would be applicable.

Therefore clauses (a) and (b) of section 29 (4) are only relevant to "renunciation of citizenship" alone.

What made this clearer and should leave no one in doubt is the fact that clause 29 (4) (a) re-emphasized that “full age” shall be 18, but if you are already married, for the purposes of renunciation of citizenship you shall be automatically qualified to do so even if you are not 18 yet. Because you are deemed of "full age" for renunciation reason based on the unambiguous definition given by subsection 29 (1) In any case S. 29 (4) (b) is referring to someone already married not about-to-marry.

As a matter of fact, if you ask me, the Constitution as it is, threatens Yerima status than support it. He is married to a baby-girl from Egypt. If that girl suddenly realizes that she has been forced into a marriage with a man old enough to be her ancestor, she can independently renounce her citizenship and take the next train to Egypt.

But then, we should seize on this opportunity to pressurize our Senators to make express laws against child’s marriage and abuses. The statistics with regards to cases of Vesico-Vagina Fistula (VVF) in the part of the country where childhood marriage is practiced is not encouraging at all. Let us properly redirect our anger to achieve the desired result, because it is apparent that even the Senate is lost on this, if they think that removing S.29 (4) (b) would take care of a child’s right, they have got another think coming, they need to consult their lawyers more.
That section is more useful for a foreign child that has been forced into a marriage than it can benefit anybody when removed."

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PoliticsBriton Kidnapped In Lagos After Fashola Visits Rivers State! by muami(op): 4:31pm On Jul 19, 2013
The Foreign Office is investigating reports that a Briton has been kidnapped in Nigeria.
The person is said to have been seized shortly after leaving the international terminal at Lagos Airport.
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We are aware of reports of a missing person and we are liaising with the Nigerian authorities."
The British High Commission told Reuters it was working closely with others to secure their release.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23381024

Since Fashola has fallen in love with Rivers State, let him deal with the type of problems Rivers State deals with!
PoliticsRe: APC Governors Tell Amaechi To Go And Beg Jonathan by muami(op): 10:13pm On Jul 18, 2013
texaco1: angry angry
i wonder where the op got the idea that to brief means to beg
I wonder if you've ever heard of the word "diplomatic".
PoliticsAPC Governors Tell Amaechi To Go And Beg Jonathan by muami(op): 9:10pm On Jul 18, 2013
"We are here in solidarity with the government and people of Rivers State in these very challenging times. You are aware that some of our colleagues were here a couple of days ago. We are here because we think security for us is far more of a major concern to the people of Nigeria. You may be aware that today is National Economic Council holding in Abuja, all of us attending the National Economic Council meeting and our being here is not a denigration of that meeting in anyway. It is just to stress the importance of our concern to the security of the citizens of Rivers State. We have met with our brother, the Chairman of our forum (NGF), Governor Chibuike Amaechi. We have had extensive discussions; he has briefed us on the situation on the ground here (Rivers State) and we feel very strongly that having listened to him, that it will be quite important for him to actually go and brief Mr. President who is our leader and the chief security officer of the country on the very challenging security situation here in Rivers State. We believe that our chairman and brother will give a fair consideration to that particular concern when we met with him; that it is important that as the chief security officer of Rivers State to take the opportunity to go and brief Mr. President on the security situation in the State.
We also in our deliberation with our brother, it is also of importance for the hierarchy of our police authority, the IGP, to help in restoring the confidence of the People of Rivers State that have really been greatly diminished in the police command here in Rivers State. We believe that the IGP is very well placed to help take the necessary steps to restore the confidence of the government, of the governor and the people in the police in Rivers State and every step that is crucial to making that possible are aspects that we believe that the Mr. President should take.
For us, we believe that this is a matter that requires moral authority of Mr. President as well. It is about deepening this democracy, it is about ensuring that peace reigns, not just in Rivers because we know that Rivers is of concern to Governor Amaechi, but the state of security in the entire country is also of concern to him. And we believe Mr. President being our leader, we are all President’s men, we are all President’ s governors, he is our leader and we feel that he actually occupies a very critical position that necessitate wielding his moral authority in ensuring peace reigns here and that nobody uses him by subterfuge to create situations that are entirely avoidable. The tension in Rivers State is entirely avoidable and we want all parties to sheath their swords and to help restore the peace and security here."
http://premiumtimesng.com/news/141255-rivers-crisis-apc-governors-visit-amaechi-ask-him-to-visit-jonathan.html?wpmp_tp=1
PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 1:43pm On Jul 18, 2013
nmagirl: protocol, standards, etiquette. Is ur Chisos krist on earth the president? Even Kate Middleton dare not do that with Prince Williams. Which planet r u from.
I am from Nigeria and proudly so. Unlike you, I am not suffering from colonial mentality and do not need a Kate or Williams to teach me etiquette.

In Nigeria, wives walk in front of husbands. It is therefore perfectly okay for a NIGERIAN president to walk behind his NIGERIAN wife when they are being received by NIGERIANS. Whatever Kate of Michelle does is their own problems. Afterall, they do not do the type of traditional marriage that we do.
PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 8:51pm On Jul 17, 2013
Dee60: Haba? How much chop does a man begin to chop for him to see white and call it black? What is bad is bad, an elected president wears the garb of a first citizen, and should be so treated. Even in monarchies, this charade is never allowed to happen. Would you ever in your dream see Duke of Edinburgh walk in front of the queen?
Did the Duke marry the Queen the way we marry? You guys should stop all this colonial mentality. In Nigeria, because of the traditional beliefs that men protect women, wives are usually in front on their husbands when they are moving together. There is therefore nothing wrong for GEJ to keep PEG in front when they are being received by Nigerian officials that they have already met previously.
PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 8:45pm On Jul 17, 2013
[quote author=ndu_chucks]Inasmuch as Patience should have not been this forward, I'm not sure there exists any protocol which calls for the President to be the first among the two to greet those receiving them at a nigerian airport. If this were a foreign trip,you people may have a point.

If any of you can provide a copy of the breached protocol, i will apologize, until then,I say you all are the ones out of protocol by being disrespectful to our first lady.[/quote]I agree with you. Whether before(like the pics below) or after is depends on the receiving officials and there is NO specific rule that says otherwise.

PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 8:33pm On Jul 17, 2013
dolphinife: At no time should the wife of the president be seen stepping out of the presidential jet before her husband.
Says who? You?
PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 8:18pm On Jul 17, 2013
ujchief: This woman has been the wife of the deputy governor; wife of governor; wife of vice president; now wife of president, how hard could it be to be schooled on such official protocols? I'm sure the number of personal assistants she has surpasses that of any elected official in the world; yet none of her assistants can whisper meaning to her ears. Or is she that dumb that her brain doesn't retain simple tutorials?
IGNORANCE, they say is a disease!
There is a big difference between being received by Nigerians abroad and being received by a foreign host. First Ladies are usually designated as Chief Hostess of the government and for that reason they are usually in front when their husbands are to be received by officials from their own country in a foreign land.

The President only needs to be in front when he is being received by a foreign official and that is exactly what GEJ has been doing, including in his recent trip to China.

PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 8:16pm On Jul 17, 2013
[quote author=slim fit ]Ok sir any reason why the whole country get locked up when ever she manage to come out of aso rock sir? Chief of defence staff this question is to you.[/quote]She is the Wife of the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and the security arrangements due her husband covers her albeit in a smaller measure. As such, traffic jams are expected whenever First Ladies are visiting anywhere.

"A security operation to safeguard US First Lady Michelle Obama and her two daughters when they visit Dublin will result in traffic disruption in the south city on Monday and Tuesday.Senior officers stressed that the city centre would remain open for business but acknowledged the restrictions would lead to delays and detours."
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/security-for-first-lady-to-cause-traffic-delays-29346243.html
PoliticsRe: Patience Ignores Protocol & Exchanged Pleasantries Before Jonathan by muami(m): 8:05pm On Jul 17, 2013
IGNORANCE, they say is a disease!
There is a big difference between being received by Nigerians abroad and being received by a foreign host. First Ladies are usually designated as Chief Hostess of the government and for that reason they are usually in front when their husbands are to be received by officials from their own country in a foreign land.

The President only needs to be in front when he is being received by a foreign official and that is exactly what GEJ has been doing, including in his recent trio to China[img][/img]

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