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Dtruthspeaker:
Spoken like a true Satanist aka atheist in clear proof that Catholicism leads to atheism.And funny, it is coming from you Catholic, a disciple of indoctrinations.

paxonel:
Ok, do you have any scripture in the bible to verify this your catholic fundamentals?

Because, protestants and other Christians solely depend on biblical records one of which is John 3:16

John 3:16 ... That whosever believeth in him should not perish but have Everlasting life

Whosever implies whether you are catholic or Presbyterian or Methodist or Anglican or whatever pentecostalist.

If there is any record in the bible that specifically mention catholic as the sole authority to claim Christianity you can post it here.

Or...

btoks:
By this reasoning, what biblical record has been used to determine what is scripture?
How would Christians in a remote village in say 40 to 80AD have known about John 3:16 that likely hadn't been written or received for decades?
At what point did Christianity become solely of the book? Which church council approved this?
What do you think the original church as opposed to the heretics in the 1st 4 centuries was called?
Would you dimiss God as 'Trinity ' as this word isn't in the bible and not defined for centuries.?

Dtruthspeaker:
Clear proof that Catholics, are not Christians. and do not read the bible the for all i said is right there in the bible looking at you are but you never saw it.

I think you are just an atheist coming to stir up strife, clear proof you are a devil.

GothamCities:
Lol.

Let's quickly agree for your sake that Peter was the first Pope of Rome. For this agreement to work, I must first excuse your crass ignorance of Scripture. The history of Peter is in the Bible. Go read and don't allow anyone deceive you. Jesus never appointed Peter Pope of Rome. I don't know why you cannot read the Bible but instead you choose to read Google and Wikipedia!

Okay, now, let's assume Peter was the first Pope of Rome, kindly tell us where Peter practiced the pagan traditions of Queen of heaven, rosaries, Imageries, etc and handed them over to you.

paxonel:
You failed to understand that, just like the way God permitted Christianity from it early stage of it existence that it stood still now according to this scripture,

Acts 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
Acts 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

The same way God had allowed schism to happen.
if God had not permitted schism it would have come to nought a long time ago and wouldn't have existed anymore in Christianity till now.

Christianity is not about doctrines, sacraments or Apostolic authorities.
As a matter of facts the said apostles who postulated these doctrines and sacraments are mere humans therefore they cannot fight God who has permitted schism all these centuries.

What you should understand is that, the earth is Lord's and it fullness thereof.

You can't box God and confine him into your doctrines and sacraments it's not possible.

So relax, what will be will surely be

Kobojunkie:
You are not paying attention at all. 🤔

The Catholics invented most of their doctrines and traditions by way of their many twists and lies of scripture. Even the idea of the cross as a sacred symbol was invented by the Catholics. The idea of the book you carry around called your Bible is some sort of "Holy" book that should be revered and never tossed, torn, or burned... all ideas that came from the Catholics. Many of your prayer rituals, and ceremonies in your Pentecostal churches came from the Catholic traditions as well.

GothamCities:
Why are you bent on telling lies!

Tell us where the Catholics got the traditions of Imageries, rosaries, Queen of heaven, Mary the mother of God and all the paganisms they do. You need to tell us the beginning of such traditions from Christ or His disciples and how exactly the Roman Catholics have continued it.

Since you said the tradition was CONTINUED by the Roman Catholics, you must tell us from whom they continued it with sound historical references.

Dtruthspeaker:
kobojunky

See how you have aligned with devil atheists. Clear proof you Catholics are Satan's children.

I have always said it Catholicism leads to the Anti Godism (atheism) and here you are abandoning confirming it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7600700/why-catholic-church-evil-majority

Dtruthspeaker:
See another proof you Catholics are Satan's children if not you would have seen that Christ's disciples and followers were called Christians in His time for He Lived for a short while.

Thus, if He had lived for as long as His disciples, then you would not have had anything to say.

GothamCities:
At least, His disciples were called Christians shortly after His departure.

Was there a group called Roman Catholics during the time of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
Yep! Judaism, Catholism, Pentecostalism, Islam...they are all frauds.🤔

Every religion that has ever claimed a connection to the Biblical records are all frauds.

Lucifyre:
Interesting article, encapsulates why christianity or any of the other religions that sprouted out of the biblical texts are not to be taken seriously. They can't even put their house in order but want to lay claims to objective truth. What a joke.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see The Law of love The Lord thy God, tradition.started in Genesis?

GothamCities:
Was there any Pentecostal or Catholic church until 300 AD? I even gave you a starting point from Constantine, yet you're here laughing ignorantly.

My friend, did Jesus the foundation of Christianity do any of the things the Catholics are doing? The last apostle of Jesus to die was John the Beloved. He lived to be about 94 years old, and died around 100 AD. 200yrs later, the Roman government came into the church and it became Roman Catholic. They imported all those pagan stuff into the Church? Or did you hear of any Roman Catholic in the days of Jesus and the apostles? The Romans brought it strange practices and a strange Gospel. Not Jesus, not the Apostles.

Tell me if Jesus did all those things you do. Tell me if any of the apostles did them. Even if you do not want to go by Church History, why are doing things that are entirely alien to the founders of the Christian faith?

Dtruthspeaker:
And are the traditions not that laid down from Genesis?

Sorry to say, Catholics must be crazy to think that the traditions of Christianity started with Peter

Kobojunkie:
The foundation of your Pentecostal churches is drawn from that which is the Catholic church —imagery, rosaries, the queen of heaven, and and "mother of God" that the Catholics practice— and not from the person of Jesus Christ of Israel, however. 🤔

GothamCities:
Study Church History my friend. Those things were brought into the Church by Constantine the emperor of Rome in his attempt to merge the Church and the state.

Jesus, His disciples, and all the Christians who lived 300yrs before Constantine never practiced such profanities.

GothamCities:
Those who carried on after the apostles for 300yrs before the Roman government introduced strange practices into the Church didn't do any of these things you Catholics do.

If you even think those who carried on did something differently from those who started it, are you not supposed to question it?

GothamCities:
The foundation of the church is from Jesus Christ and His 12 apostles. Now use them to justify imagery, rosaries, the queen of heaven and and "mother of God" that the catholics practice.

budaatum:
The entire piece reads like Apple and Android arguing the other is not a phone.

Dtruthspeaker:
See the devils called Catholics have come with their Lies!

Whether Peter or Paul or John, at no time did they declare images and paganistic items to be raised up in disobedience to God's Command.

Neither did they say Mary and Joseph are mothers and fathers of God.

Only you devils say so.

To argue that "Catholics are right, Pentecostals are not Christians," we need to examine the historical foundations of Christianity, focusing on established doctrines and traditions, and how deviations from these have been viewed by the Church through the ages. This position relies on the idea that true Christianity is not merely a label or self-identified faith but one deeply rooted in specific doctrines and sacraments upheld over centuries. Drawing from historical records, councils, and church teachings, we see that schisms, such as the Protestant Reformation, created offshoots that often deviated significantly from what was originally established as “Christianity” by the early Church.

1. Defining Christianity: The Foundation in Apostolic Tradition

To understand why Catholics might claim exclusivity to true Christianity, it’s crucial to look back at the earliest foundations of the Church. After Christ’s resurrection, His apostles, specifically Peter and Paul, established the church’s teachings, emphasizing unity, sacraments, and apostolic succession. Early Christian writings, like those of the Church Fathers (Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Tertullian), reveal a cohesive doctrine. Ignatius, for example, writes in his letter to the Smyrnaeans (c. 110 AD), "Where the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." The emphasis was on continuity and the authority vested in bishops in union with the bishop of Rome, seen as Peter’s successor.

The Catholic Church thus asserts that this early structure, based on apostolic succession and unified doctrines, forms the bedrock of Christianity. When movements arise that disregard these established structures, as Protestantism and its offshoots have, Catholics view these as fundamentally departing from the original faith, even if they share similar beliefs about Jesus.

2. The Protestant Reformation and the Emergence of Offshoots

The Protestant Reformation of the 16th century marked a significant rupture from the Roman Catholic Church. Martin Luther, originally a Catholic priest, famously protested against perceived corruption and theological issues within the Church, sparking a movement that would eventually diverge widely in doctrine and practice. While Luther did not initially intend to form a separate church, his teachings on sola scriptura (scripture alone) and sola fide (faith alone) departed dramatically from Catholic doctrines that emphasized both scripture and tradition, as well as faith working through love (as described by the Apostle James).

Pentecostalism, which arose much later, can be seen as an “offshoot of an offshoot,” emerging within Protestantism in the early 20th century with a strong focus on personal, charismatic experiences like speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing. By Catholic standards, these practices lack grounding in the traditions and apostolic authority that define authentic Christianity. The Council of Trent (1545-1563), convened in response to Protestantism, condemned the rejection of tradition and stressed that the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, has the authority to interpret scripture and govern Christian practice. Thus, any group that rejects these core principles is viewed as having departed from true Christianity and couldn't be seen as christians. One cannot be an American without being a citizen. Citizenship to christianity only rests with the catholic church, and only they reserve the right to give it.

3. Sacraments and Doctrinal Integrity as Criteria for Christian Identity

Catholicism holds that the seven sacraments, established by Christ and the apostles, are essential for salvation and spiritual life. These include the Eucharist, Confession, Baptism, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders, and Anointing of the Sick. Each of these sacraments is seen as a channel of grace, with the Eucharist particularly significant, as Catholics believe in the literal presence of Christ’s body and blood in communion.

Pentecostals, however, typically observe only baptism and communion, and their views on these sacraments differ considerably. They see the Eucharist as symbolic rather than sacramental, and in rejecting the sacramental system, Pentecostals are viewed by Catholics as missing essential components of Christian identity. The Council of Florence (1438-1445) affirmed that sacraments are “necessary for salvation,” a stance that Pentecostalism challenges. To Catholics, then, Pentecostalism’s doctrinal gaps and lack of sacramental practice make it a departure from Christianity and mocks it's authentic form.

4. Apostolic Authority and the Concept of the ‘True Church’

The authority of the Catholic Church is based on apostolic succession—a direct line of spiritual authority that Catholics believe originated with Peter and the apostles. Jesus' words in Matthew 16:18, “You are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church,” are foundational to this claim. For centuries, the church councils and popes maintained that true Christian doctrine could only be preserved within the structure that Christ Himself established.

Pentecostalism, like many Protestant denominations, rejects this central concept, emphasizing personal interpretation of scripture without a hierarchical authority. The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and subsequent councils consistently emphasized unity and adherence to doctrine under the guidance of bishops in apostolic succession. By placing authority solely in the individual’s interpretation of scripture, Pentecostalism further distances itself from what Catholics consider to be Christianity’s original structure. In this light, the Catholic Church argues that groups like Pentecostals, lacking continuity with apostolic authority, are outside the bounds of true christianity.

5. The Danger of Individual Interpretation and Theological Fragmentation

The Catholic Church has long warned of the dangers of individual interpretation. Saint Augustine, an influential Church Father, noted the potential for theological fragmentation when individuals interpret scripture independently. In his writings, Augustine emphasized that the interpretation of scripture must be done within the Church’s teaching authority, guided by the Holy Spirit. This view was later echoed in the Second Vatican Council, which stated that “sacred tradition, sacred scripture, and the teaching authority of the Church… are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others.”

Pentecostalism, by contrast, often celebrates individual, direct experiences of God. However, without a unified theological framework, this freedom can lead to contradictory teachings and fragmentation, which Catholics argue dilutes the integrity of Christian doctrine. To catholics, this approach represents a departure from the unity and theological consistency that christianity was founded upon, further supporting their claim that Pentecostals are not within the christian fold. They are prosperity mongers bent on interpreting the bible to their whims and caprices, with a view to destroying christendom with fake promises and staged healings.

⚫Conclusion

While pentecostals and catholics both claim to follow Jesus Christ, Catholic doctrine holds that Pentecostals, lacking adherence to the sacraments, apostolic authority, and tradition, has departed from true christianity. As noted in numerous historical documents, including the Council of Trent and the writings of early Church Fathers, Christianity was established with specific doctrines, sacraments, and a hierarchical authority that pentecostalism largely disregards.

Christianity is defined not merely by belief in Jesus but by adherence to the teachings and practices handed down through the ages by the catholic church, the sole embodiment of christianity through the ages. Consequently, catholics might argue that pentecostalism, while a Christian-inspired movement, does not align with the christian historical and doctrinal foundations, and thus they can't be referred to as christians.

Apple and Android serve as contrasting examples in the tech world of how fundamental philosophies can shape systems and user experience—much like the historical divide between Catholics and Pentecostals. Catholics often assert that they alone carry the true essence of Christianity due to their claim of apostolic succession, centuries-old traditions, and unified doctrine. This stance echoes Apple’s closed, integrated ecosystem, which ensures continuity and control.

Catholicism, like iOS, emphasizes structure and tradition as central to its identity. Since the early church councils, Catholics have maintained that essential sacraments and authoritative teachings define true Christian identity, with deviations seen as departures. Pentecostals, on the other hand, resemble Android’s openness, focusing on personal experiences with the Holy Spirit and a flexible interpretation of scripture. They encourage individual connections with God outside of rigid institutional frameworks, a feature that fosters diversity but can, according to Catholics, lead to fragmentation.

The Catholic view is that without the framework of apostolic authority and sacraments, Pentecostalism has strayed too far from the historical roots of Christianity. Like an operating system, where certain components are indispensable for function, Catholics argue that without tradition and sacraments, Pentecostalism lacks core Christian elements, making it an offshoot rather than a direct continuation of Christianity.


Catholics are right, Pentecostals are not Christians

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