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gohf:
I wonder how it is counted as 7

When it is clearly just 4 times the spirit is mentioned, why is the spirit mentioned four times and it is the spirit, the spirit, like the very same spirit four times or acting three times after resting on him.

Maybe it has to do with seven candle lampstand that looks like it is made up of four sticks. I am just assuming here

I also count it one to seven as well 😁 but as one, like the lampstand with seven candle sticks

Nachmonides:
Look, my take on the seven spirits is clear in case you are confused about my stance.

The seven spirits are symbolic, 7 represents the divine, completion, perfection.
I believe the seven spirits talked about in Revelation 5:6 is actually 1 spirit that was sent to every part of the earth.

Nachmonides:
Isaiah 11:2 (KJV):
"And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord."

1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7

gohf:
😊 there you have it

You see one more reason the spirit or spirits of God is not god or gods

gohf:
okay you know it is symbolic, what is perfect, what is whole, complete, holy

Lol, you mistakenly asked the same thing twice
"is the Holy Spirit that was sent not one of the seven spirits, or is the holy spirit a part of the seven spirits,"

Shows that you believe the Holy Spirit is one of the seven spirits but don't forget the verse you quoted

Romans 8:11 (NIV):
"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you."


Well we may not have all seven in us ba but not like it matters if it's only the seventh that we have, abi?

gohf:
when you read this in that post "You know, the seventh day represents the Holy day." What did you think I meant?

Godson1379:
To be honest I'm lost here. The Spirit that raised Jesus from the Dead and it's that same life giving Spirit that dwells with us Believers is quite understandable.

But is this the same Spirit that dwells in the Resurrected and Ascended Jesus that is seperate from his ascended Physical form or one together with him and the Father.

Remember God is Triune in One

Father, Son and Spirit

Please make your next reply coherent enough.

God bless 🙏

gohf:
retype this your question.

Are you asking if the seven spirits in Jesus is Holy or that the seven spirits sent to every part of the earth is not the Holy spirit sent to churches?

That's true, why don't you tell us, seeing as you believe the Holy Spirit is god, are the seven spirits gods as well?

Nachmonides:
If the Revelation 5:6 clearly says he sent forth the seven spirits into every part of the earth.

Question: Is it that the Holy Spirit that was sent is not the seven spirits or is it?

gohf:
lol okay

Zech.3.9 For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' Says the LORD of hosts, "And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Well the stone is Jesus, the branch, God's servant, the lamb.

Rev.5.6 I looked and I saw a Lamb that had been killed but was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that are sent out into every part of the earth.

And God sent us the Holy Spirit.

You know, the seventh day represents the Holy day.

Godson1379:
So what's the function of the Holy Spirit in all of this ?

Godson1379:
Fully Divine in what sense? Remember the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead or do you have a different view from this ?

Godson1379:
So after his Death and resurrection, according to you , he was "Glorified" but still had a body of flesh as he was touched by his disciples signifying he had his physical form intact. Is that correct?

Now this Spirit being or Spiritual aspect of himself you talked about, is it the Holy Spirit or something else?

Thanks for your detailed explanation

Many thanks 🙏

gohf:
So you believe Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, translated, in their physical bodies?
Yes or No

You have not changed 🤣

Nachmonides:
Stay with me then.


When Jesus ascended to heaven, He did so in His glorified body—a physical, but transformed body, not purely flesh or spirit alone. This body was both fully human (flesh) and fully divine, but it was transformed in the sense that it was no longer subject to the same limitations as before His resurrection. Here’s a detailed explanation:

1. Jesus’ Ascension: A Physical, Glorified Body

Acts 1:9-11 (NIV) – "After He said this, He was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid Him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 'Men of Galilee,' they said, 'why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.'"

Key Point: Jesus ascended physically into heaven. His disciples saw Him leave, which indicates that His body was visible and tangible as He ascended. Spirits do not ascend as ascension is a physical movement within this physical plane / realm. A spirit alone without a body doesn't ascend because ascension is a physical movement.


2. A Glorified Body

Jesus' body was glorified after His resurrection. This means it was still a human body, but it was transformed and perfected in a way that surpassed its previous earthly limitations. His resurrected body was:

Immortal (no longer subject to death or decay).

Glorified (radiant and powerful, as shown in His transfiguration before His disciples).

Spiritual in the sense that it was no longer bound by normal physical laws, but it was still tangible and visible (He ate with His disciples, and they could touch Him).

Luke 24:39: Jesus shows His disciples that He has a physical body post-resurrection, saying, “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”



3. Both Flesh and Spirit

Jesus ascended in both flesh and spirit: His body was glorified and spiritualized in a sense, but it still retained its humanity. Jesus’ ascension was not the ascension of a purely spiritual being or a spirit-only form. Instead, it was a physical ascension of a glorified body.

Philippians 3:21 speaks of believers being transformed to have bodies like Jesus’ glorious body, which further emphasizes that His ascension was in a glorified, human form: “Who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.”

gohf:
nachmonides nachmonides you are here, even my keypad still remembers you 😁

So you believe Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, translated, in their physical bodies?

Godson1379:
So in what form did he ascend to heaven? Flesh, Spirit or both forms combined as the Op asked?

That shouldn't be a hard nut to crack

Godson1379:
Exaltation and translation

He was exalted first before translation took place

Godson1379:
Coming to think of it, what exactly is the difference between the two?

Godson1379:
Bro, this is really just semantics on display.

What is the difference if we are being honest with ourselves?

After the exaltations, what followed next?

Godson1379:
Okay, but my point was still made.

Why all the semantics leaning arguments?

Careente7:
What I don’t get is this,who is the inventor of time?

MaxInDHouse:
I think it'll be better to engage your dear brethren in da lord to whom God's word is clear!

Kobojunkie:
I am not here for more of what is eejit-levels religious dribbling! 🙄🙄

Kobojunkie:
You provided a definition earlier do the term overwriting , so you should be able to explain to me how by doing that which does not agree with even your very definition can be construed as overwriting . 😏😏

Kobojunkie:
I am guilty of overwriting by stating exactly that which is written by the author of the book. 😏

Kobojunkie:
Christians are guilty of overwriting the meaning of what is in fact stated in scripture by imposing their many contradictory ideas , ideas which are far and removed from that intended by the authors of the texts in question. For instance, Christians claim without evidence that Jesus Christ came to save Non-Israelites — the dogs— when in fact Jesus Christ of Israel instead vehemently declared He came only to save the Israelites — the sheep. 😩😩😩

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MaxInDHouse:
He is not of our kind {John 8:23} so the body he used is not like ours that was a perfect body equal to what Adam had {1Corinthians 15:45} and that's why only someone with such a body qualifies to pay for the sin we inherited from Adam. Psalms 49:7-9
So at death that body become the sacrifice paid for our sin. That is why he resurrected a spirit being! 1Corinthians 15:44


He simply means where TRUE Christians gather he will be their chairman since they gather to do the work he assigned to them! Matthew 28:18-20

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you have completely lost me here. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any religious narratives that are, for the most part, attempts at overwriting the explicit content of the Israelite Scripture they claim to follow.

2. Again, Jesus Christ of Isreal is recorded to have been born of a woman and the Spirit of God to fulfill the promise of God to David via the Covenant of Salt which He made to the family of Jacob. The same Jesus Christ of Israel, when He rose from the grave, after His death, confirmed that His flesh and blood were intact even after the ordeal. The same Jesus Christ of Israel then ascended up into His Father's Heaven with His flesh and blood intact with a message that the same way He went on, He would return to them. I guess the simple question I should ask you at this point is why you completely refuse to accept the words of Jesus Christ of Israel in this case. The Kingdom belongs to Him and He is the rule of Law in it, and according to Him, He will return the same way He left. So, why do you disagree with Him on this? On what grounds?

Godson1379:
Okay, Enough with the Drama let me give you a brief exposition as the Spirit leads


Remember in the Scriptures, the word "Translated" was used.

Let me refresh your memory incase you missed it at Bible school classes


Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


What does "translation" mean in this context?

It simply means mortality putting on immortality,

Fleshly putting on the immaterial, imperishable, corruptless form of the father and Son (the Word of God) as it was intended for Man before Creation and the very time itself began.

Now all of creation has been "Groaning" for the manifestation of the "Sons" of God. Who are this Sons? Well that's a lecture for another day.

In summary. During the ascension of Jesus after his Death and resurrection, he was translated to his eternal Form with all the powers of the earthly and spiritual realms handed to the rightful owner (Christ) by the Father with authority over all the earthly and spiritual forms of existences and beings as all things were created thru him and for him all for his pleasures.

Are you still confused?