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Godson1379:
I mean this is common sense, to understand his eternal form , you have to understand clearly both the bodily and spiritual forms and how he intertwines the two in all it's Glorious perfection still retaining absolute divinity and coherence. Remember, God is never a God of confusion and everything is made perfect by his eternal will and Glory

In summary, everything remains a mystery and the scriptures only scratched the surface.

The mystery of God will surely take an eternity to unravel it all and O boy eternity is such a long time

Eternity is not a long time. Eternity is outside the scope of the physical property, time.

Lawag3:
Best in using. Na the ward den supposed give me.

My phone na since 2018.

My car na vintage since the 80s.

My house na since the 80s

I still dey wear my wedding suit go church sometimes.


I go deserve that award best in using.

Using what? — Best in using what?

Keep at it brother.

Adullam001:
I am in pain and in tears seeing what is happening in our 'churches' nowadays, no wonder God told me that His Spirit has left the church.

If you are a true seed of God and you are reading this, you are privileged. Pay a keen attention to what I have to say.

If you are in any 'church' where they pray for their enemies to die by fire, summersault and die, or you are in a church where they pray for their enemies to run mad, or catch fire, or be buried alive or perish in the red sea or you are in a church where they invoke all kinds of evil, sickness, harm against their enemies, or you are in a church where they pray back to sender prayers or backfire prayers let me tell you the shocking truth, you are not in a church, you are in a coven and you are practicing witchcraft.

This kind of wicked prayers started in Nigeria and it has spread to all the nooks and crannies of Nigeria and beyond to Africa and even overseas.

To make the matters worst, they do the prayer in the name of Jesus, thereby using the name of Jesus to kill. Please hear me, Jesus said that He came to save lives and not to kill. It is obvious that it is not Jesus the son of God they are calling. They are calling a false jesus masquerading as the son of God.

Some of us even invoke 'Holy Ghost fire' upon their enemies, can you imagine. Please search through the bible and tell me where 'Holy Ghost fire' is in the bible and where it is being invoked against their enemies. The only thing mentioned in the bible by John the Baptist was that Jesus is the one that will baptize us with Holy Ghost and with fire, note the two words are seperated together, Holy Ghost and fire, not Holy Ghost fire. The Holy Ghost and fire is for baptismal purposes and not invoking it on our enemies.

Since you don't want to read your bible and discover the truth for yourself, these false pastors will read it for you, twist it and interpret it for you, and you will swallow it.

I can remember many years ago, two people were having a little argument, one was threatening the other, do you know who I am, I am a member of so and so church, he was actually threatening the other person with his church, and that church is the first church that started this evil prayer in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth, if you eventually pray for your enemies to die, and they die, let me tell you happened. Satan was the one that killed that person, but He will go and accuse you before God that you killed someone, therefore you are guilty of that persons blood. Don't come and share testimony in that church because you don't know that you have committed murder.

A lot of us have these their prayer bulletin filled with all manner of wicked and dangerous prayers. After praying it for like 3 hours, you will be boasting that you have done warfare prayers, let me tell you the truth, you did nothing, you only practised witchcraft in the name of Jesus.

They confuse you with these words, suffer not the witch to live, stop them before they stop you, the kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent takes it by force, e.t.c. let me tell you the truth all these are used to deceive you.

As far as you are truly born again, filled with the Holy Ghost, and you are living a Holy life and also avoid sin like plague, you have nothing to worry about, satan and his agents cannot harm you because greater is He that is in you than all the demons of Hell combined.

When you were living in sin and in terrible wickedness against God offending Him daily with your rebellious life, God did not kill you or make you to run mad, now that you have repented and have given your life to Jesus, you now want God to kill your enemies. That is so selfish and wicked of you.

As I conclude, if you are in those churches where they practice all these things that I have mentioned, run away from that church for your dear life because no witch can enter heaven. You have been warned, remember ignorance is not an excuse.

Leave vengeance to God, He will be the one to avenge you of your enemies when the time comes.
Shalom to the bride of Christ reading this.

Thank you, I am blessed by these words.

MaxInDHouse:
Saved ones agree among themselves on how to do the work of the Lord! Luke 11:23

Indeed, God's word is clear. Farewell.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know that faith is progressive.

Before God establish Israel you can claim you're worshiping the true God but after the establishment of that nation you can't be of God if you're not with the Israelites.
After the establishment of Israel the nation is considered worshipers of the true God but by the time they splited to two only Jews became worshipers of the true God.
The Jews remain as God's people until Jesus established Christianity and only Christians became worshipers of the true God.
Today thousands of different religions are claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so Jesus separated faithful people from them all and God began calling us by another group name: Jehovah's Witnesses Isaiah 65:15

So you can continue deceiving yourself claiming different religions contradicting themselves in teachings are Christians we know that true Christians are not on the same page with religionists contradicting themselves in teachings! 1Corinthians 14:33; 40

You can take your leave no one is forcing you it's a free world but know that Jehovah's Witnesses are not worshiping the same God with religions contradicting themselves without asking who knows how to do God's work so that we can all join?

Mark 16:15, Matt 28:18-20

THE WILL OF GOD IS THAT ALL MEN BE SAVED AND COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.

And he said "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH..."

MaxInDHouse:
Stop lying to your own soul.

I told you there are three JWs on this thread:

MaxInDHouse
Aemmyjah
Janoski

All others are your fellow worshipers who will never ever agree with you on the matter of faith.

Lol, see how you speak, are you truly a Christian?

I am committed to ensuring that Jesus is seen in all I do, and sometimes this means ending conversations that lead nowhere. To you, it seems to be about who is on the side of JW and not scriptures.

Farewell.

gohf:
truthspeaker10 come and see the programming has come 😏

Haha. I'll soon unfollow this thread because it's been the same old, nonsensical, unwise, sensual, devilish, responses I've been witnessing from you JWs.

Here's my conclusion: Do the study yourself, don't believe all I've said or anybody here has said, compile the odd evidences of Trinity in scripture yourself, consult the original Hebrew and Greek depending on the book you're studying in time. Come to a conclusion for yourself based on the God-given senses you have. God actually expects we utilise our senses in reading and studying scriptures; scripture say we should "Study...", and studying is brain work, but not just that, like the Apostle Paul says, pray for the "eyes" of your understanding to be enlightened, so that you may know.


13/01/'25
20:56
- N, your brother in Christ.

Are you human? - Yes
Am I human? - Yes

Am I you? - No
Are you me? - No

We share the same essence, but we are different persons.

Nachmonides:
Scriptures say God has revealed all of himself in Christ.


The question is, can you fully grasp him?

Whatever answer we get, we should waste no time but go straight into the studies, prayerfully and diligently. Above all, we must seek to do whatever is revealed.

Scriptures say God has revealed all of himself in Christ.


The question is, can you fully grasp him?

Nachmonides:
The thing is, it's not even about what God has revealed or not, it's us, humans.
We could never fully comprehend in our humanity, our current framework is limited.

Even if God were to reveal something new, we would still not be able to comprehend in our humanity. Our purview is limited; if truly God is God; infinite.
A finite creature/creation could never fully grasp his revelation.

We can only ever see and understand the infinite through our finite lens.

GothamCities:
Because the knowledge of God is infinite. You cannot completely know God. You can only know the little He has revealed to you about Himself.

The thing is, it's not even about what God has revealed or not, it's us, humans.
We could never fully comprehend in our humanity, our current framework is limited.

Even if God were to reveal something new, we would still not be able to comprehend in our humanity. Our purview is limited; if truly God is God; infinite.
A finite creature/creation could never fully grasp his revelation.

Janosky:
According to Nachmonides the term "beings" are Individuals sharing the same essence.

Does Satan a spirit share the same essence with other spirit beings?


Who will help this confused Nachmonides?

"Satan" can be understood both as a name and as a title, depending on the context.

1. Title: In many theological and biblical contexts, "Satan" is more of a title than a personal name. The word "Satan" comes from a Hebrew term meaning "adversary" or "accuser." In this sense, it refers to the role or function of a being who opposes or accuses others, particularly in the context of God's purposes. For example, in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), "Satan" is portrayed as an accuser or adversary in the heavenly court (e.g., in the Book of Job).


2. Name: Over time, "Satan" has also come to be used as a name for a specific being, often understood in Christian theology as the embodiment of evil and opposition to God. In this sense, Satan is often personified as a distinct entity, typically associated with the devil.



So, for me not to assume, what do you mean by Satan?

The name of a being or the title of a being?
And what being is that?

Janosky:
We are all human beings.

Being has plural.

Jehovah God is a spirit, the Supreme Being.
Jesus his son is another being,a spirit.
Distinct entities.

You guys should stop LYING to yourselves.

You are unwise and unintelligent.

The term "beings" in this context simply refers to individuals who share the same nature or essence (humanity). It doesn't imply that we are separate or entirely different in substance.


"Beings" in the phrase "human beings" refers to individuals with the same essence of humanity, not different essences or completely separate beings.

There's no more than 1 being in the concept of the Trinity.

It's just 1 being.

For example, your being is human, my being is also human, but we are different persons.

We share the same essence, which is humanity. However we are distinct persons with unique identities and characteristics. You are not me, I am not you, but we are both human.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣.....I should go and study what you can't explain? You believe are trinity are so funny. You don't even understand this trinity concept and you want to teach what you don't understand to others? How is that Even possible. No wonder all of you here are just contradicting yourselves? I brought up one simple diagram and all of you cannot Even agree on the interpretation of the diagram. Funny people.🤣🤣🤣

Alright, Sir.

Truthseeker10:
Steep do you agree with Nachmonides that the Trinity diagram that we've been discussing about has a wrong interpretation?

Nachmonides kindly write out a code version of the Trinity for us to see.

Haha, did I ever tell you it had a wrong interpretation?

Truthseeker10:
Steep do you agree with Nachmonides that the Trinity diagram that we've been discussing about has a wrong interpretation?

Nachmonides kindly write out a code version of the Trinity for us to see.

You know what?—I'm not posting a code version anymore.

Go study your bible.

Truthseeker10:
gohf and steep come and see what Nachmonides is saying about what a person needs to understand Trinity oo. So a layman who does not understand programming languages cannot understand Trinity oo🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Nachmonides I gave you a simple sketch of the Trinity diagram that I found on the internet. You claim that it was not correct. Why can't you provide a simple sketch that explains the error. Is it that you don't also understand this Trinity concept?

Haha. You think you did something here?

I don't know how to use UML to visualise it better, I can't simply draw things up because you asked me to.


I have to do a good job so there's no loopholes.
I have the code version of it written out. That's a tool I am well versed in.

MaxInDHouse:
Well going by our understanding the Holy Spirit is NOT a person but the active force of our God.
Scriptures personalized many things and we understand why it's so but if you are so sure we are wrong it's OK please get to work with Mr or Mrs Holy Spirit and let him or her help you people achieve what God promised you.

Then we will agree with you that you truly know Holy Spirit than we do!

Something very interesting I must tell you.

I am a witness of Jehovah, sharing His message with the world, but I am not affiliated with the Jehovah's Witness denomination.


I am a Jehovah Witness and, at the same time, not a Jehovah's Witness.

MaxInDHouse:
Well going by our understanding the Holy Spirit is NOT a person but the active force of our God.
Scriptures personalized many things and we understand why it's so but if you are so sure we are wrong it's OK please get to work with Mr or Mrs Holy Spirit and let him or her help you people achieve what God promised you.

Then we will agree with you that you truly know Holy Spirit than we do!

Okay, Sir.

Truthseeker10:
Please a simple sketch of a diagram would be appreciated. Not everyone can read a code. Just simply show us How the Father is God and God is the Holy spirit and how Father and holy spirit are not the same person.

Sucks, programming languages are better at conveying ideas of the Trinity.

I am not promising anything though. If I send I send, if I don't I don't.

MaxInDHouse:
What indisputable work will Holy Spirit do in the midst of believers?

Those having this surely knows the truth about the Holy Spirit!

You must first of all see if it is true that the Holy Spirit is a person, or an impersonal force before we can ask how he performs the work he will do/ is doing/ has done in the midst of believers.


All according to scriptures.
The Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. The Bible doesn't teach the Holy Spirit as impersonal.

The Holy Spirit is clearly a person, the Bible is clear.
A person doesn't mean a "physical" entity, just in case it is confusing.

Modified:

A person doesn't always have to mean a physical entity. A spirit can be a person.

Truthseeker10:
So can you draw us a diagram that contains the stopper?

Yes. I can.
But it's much work as I'll have to put the scriptural references to, so as not to do an incomplete job, so I'll have to decline any requests for it.

I can however come up with a code (in Python programming language) with a much more better explanation of it.

Truthseeker10:
Let's take the point one by one.
Does the diagram contain the point in your bolded statement?

No it doesn't emphasize the bolded.

Some errors or misinterpretation can come in;
For example:
It tells us (if I'm to assume because there's no arrow pointing to show us direction for interpretation) that the Father is God and that God is the Holy Spirit, which can lead to the interpretation that the Holy Spirit is the Father because there's no stopper in the interpretation of it.

Careente7:
Movie time! Who’s with me?

Me!

Truthseeker10:
So what is missing in the diagram?

It's not so much as a diagram issue itself but that the diagram is too simplified; it tells us what the author of the diagram intended.

Things to consider for a fuller explanation:

Include scriptural references.

Emphasize the eternal nature and relational unity of the Trinity.

Highlight the distinct roles in creation, redemption, and sanctification.


If with arrows one can include scriptures explaining the "is"s and "is not"s, it'll give clarity.

It risks interpretation of modalism or subordinationism into the diagram.

Nachmonides:
If you were told all that you knew that you held dear to you was false, how would you react?, knowing it'll affect your life, relationships both with those who taught you the same false ideas and those whom you have taught—Your friends, ideas, parents, loved ones, yourself.



Typical case is the stages of grief




One thing I would have said acting on my sensual nature would be that they (JWs) are good since they believe that Christ died for Sins and Rose the third day (I'm not really sure on this though but most I've engaged with say they do), however I've had to repent of that thought, because half a truth is no truth at all. It's a lie.


God's word is clear.

Faith in Jesus is no lie but we must ask for the details of what was believed.

That, I'm not sure of.


Do they believe in the Death, Burial and Resurrection (physical resurrection of his body and not a spirit Jesus)?

Do they believe in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of a Spirit Jesus that wasn't physical but could make himself physical if he willed?

Do they believe in the Death, Burial, and a future Resurrection of Jesus' body?


That's why I cannot be certain on their beliefs.

The scripture is clear, Jesus died for Sins as a man, was Buried as a man, and was Raised the third day back to life as a man.

He was seen of men, he was touched physically, after he died, was buried, and was raised to life.

DaddyCoool:
Don't know who you people are trying to fool. You are BOTH obviously JW.
What I don’t understand about you folks is:
It was prophesied thousands of years in advance that "Everlasting Father, Mighty God" was comming to dwell with us. When he came he himself said he was that God, he accepted worship, forgave sins, etc. Then despite being killed which ought have been the end, he was raised from the dead and ended up being worshipped as exactly that God he and the prophets said he was! And not just for 2 or 3 years but for thousands of years till today and his worship getting stronger everyday.

My question is, what would it take to convince you people that he indeed is God??!!

If you were told all that you knew that you held dear to you was false, how would you react?, knowing it'll affect your life, relationships both with those who taught you the same false ideas and those whom you have taught—Your friends, ideas, parents, loved ones, yourself.



Typical case is the stages of grief




One thing I would have said acting on my sensual nature would be that they (JWs) are good since they believe that Christ died for Sins and Rose the third day (I'm not really sure on this though but most I've engaged with say they do), however I've had to repent of that thought, because half a truth is no truth at all. It's a lie.


God's word is clear.

Nachmonides:
Regarding Jehovah’s Witness Doctrine

7. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses say the Trinity is unbiblical when their doctrine of an impersonal Holy Spirit is not clearly taught in Scripture?

The Bible consistently presents the Holy Spirit as a Person, not a force.



8. If God is love (1 John 4:, how can love exist without relationship? Doesn’t the eternal relationship within the Trinity explain this better than a solitary God?

This highlights the relational nature of God within the Trinity.

For some reason when I write the number 8 and put a closing parenthesis by the right side of it.

It turns to an emoji.

I didn't intentionally put the emoji(s).

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah sent Jesus, his role is to support his son by sending other angels to help him anytime he needs such support and encouragement {Matthew 4:11; Luke 22:43} at times Jesus needs to hear his father's direct words of encouragement! John 12:27-28

The Holy Spirit is God's active force that's used in so many ways whatever we are using technology to achieve today God have used His active force to do greater in times past and today, for instance when Christians are about to do what Jesus taught them in situations that's not palatable God uses His active force to supply them with power beyond what is normal {2Corinthians 4:7} it's also this spirit that's used to remind or teach them what to do in tight situations! John 14:26-27; 16:12-13

Jehovah is the Almighty God, Jesus is the human who perfectly reflects all the good qualities we need to know about our heavenly Father and God's Holy Spirit is the Active force God uses to help and support all His worshipers.

Whoever knows this is qualified to get baptized as one of us! Matthew 28:19

Regarding Jehovah’s Witness Doctrine

7. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses say the Trinity is unbiblical when their doctrine of an impersonal Holy Spirit is not clearly taught in Scripture?

The Bible consistently presents the Holy Spirit as a Person, not a force.



8. If God is love (1 John 4:, how can love exist without relationship? Doesn’t the eternal relationship within the Trinity explain this better than a solitary God?

This highlights the relational nature of God within the Trinity.