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seunmsg:
In a criminal matter arising from a trial and conviction.

seunmsg:
It is a non-conviction based forfeiture like VIO or FRSC fine. There was no trial or conviction so there are is no criminal status attached. You cannot lose your right to contest from a non-conviction forfeiture or fine. You guys should get yourself properly educated.

solreb:
You are partially right in the the primary case was of criminal nature. Investigations revealed that the criminals kept $460k with Tinubu who was not counted as one of the criminals. Typically the prosecutors approached the court to seize the funds and expectedly Tinubu raised no objection to the request because the money was not his. It was a civil case and fully determined and it is not at originating status. I believe that the primary criminal case end as well and the criminals jailed.

aswani:
So Obi's lawyers are no longer saying president Tinubu was convicted as per their petition, they are now talking about forfeiture. Effectively, we are now been told that he should be disqualified because he didn't appeal a forfeiture order.

True story from the US state of California . A hitman killed a serving police officer and somehow a police informant led the police to him.

The police case wasn't strong and in truth, though they wanted to nail him, they looked at the bigger picture. They did a deal with him whereby he was never convicted but he told them who hired him and served as a witness in court for the prosecution in the case against the officer that hired him who later got convicted.

No charges were brought against the hitman and he is still goes about his life without being treated as a felon though he has sworn on oath that he committed a murder.

Point is, like President Tinubu, the hitman might have been a naughty boy but he was never convicted of a crime to assume the status of a felon and can still vote (not sure if Cali is one of the states that barr convicted felons from voting sha).

On a side note, do Obi's lawyers even know the difference between a misdemeanor, felony or grand lacerny? If I pick up a parking fine in the US, would those bunch of jokers claim I can't contest as president?

It's a shame Obi didn't hire them pro bono, this case would have ended ages ago.

seunmsg:
Is there any sense in challenging an order from a civil case?

So, if VIO or FRSC fines me N5k today for traffic offense, is there any sense in wasting time challenging the order?

Since it’s a forfeiture resulting from a civil case, what’s the point fighting it? Tinubu was already a Senator when the forfeiture order was made against his account. So, it makes more sense to simply allow the civil forfeiture order stand than to keep wasting money on appeal. Same way we all pay VIO and FRSC fine for traffic offense without appeal.

wise0ne:
Dude, stop being deceptive, take your time to read the address in totality and begin to mourn the inevitable nullification of the 1st to 4th respondents

helinues:
Should you people be even talking about Gov Hope's supreme court case..

Such kind of day light robbery can never, I mean never ever happen in any region in Nigeria.

It happened because it's SE, anything goes there

Shantyken:
My brother hmmm, the thing surprised me oo. Since 1999 I never hear anything like expungement even PO she is supporting in disguise no fit talk wetin she dey talk.

And since 1999 USA can't say this man stand trail, he was convicted and sentenced but say we forfeit the money in lieu of the jail sentence as punishment. Tinubu enemies go dey here dey interpret, analyze laws of a country they so much hate

GeneralPula:
Lol..

Ain’t nothing to read bro..

Instead, I’d say you should go read about the different between Civil forfeiture VS criminal forfeiture..

garfield1:
Inec is following electoral law which supercedes guidelines.inec used form ec8a to declare tinubu

chidiokay:
And how many times will INEC have to ring into una coconut head ... the election process was Manual

Clause 38 both (i) & (ii) made emphasis on "as prescribed by the commission"

if INEC prescribed a manual collation process and OBI is tackling the ICT route is that not a journey in futility,

Finally, all the results you find on IREV are taking by BVAS camera, its just like your phone camera, sometimes you take a shot nd you find it burry could be as a result of stains on the camera or the camera not well set.
Before you question the ICT or server, check the primary source i.e the BVAS, if it is clear on the Bvas and blurry on IREV portal that is were ICT as some explanation to do

garfield1:
That same inec guidelines in regulation 93 says manual forms are superior to irev.the supreme court has severally stated that inec guidelines cannot be used to nullify elections.noreover obi has failed to prove how the guidelines was not followed

seunmsg:
I’m not aware. Can you post a credible link to support your claim?

Spy360:
You have admitted that the INEC guidelines were not followed.

Does the electoral act empower INEC to develop a collation system? Yes.

INEC's failure to follow its own guidelines is a violation of the electoral act itself.

A school says you must obey your teacher.
Teacher gives instructions. A student then says I will disobey my teacher, it does not mean I disobey the school. The teacher is inferior to the school. Makes no sense.

Electoral act says INEC has the power to create her own guidelines which must be obeyed. The guidelines were not obeyed as you agree, but you turn back to say it is inferior to the electoral act. I can't even make sense out of it.

ImperialYoruba:
False information.

INEC is willing to release data but the service must be paid for. LP has not paid.

chidiokay:
Oga !! what that clause is addressing is a situation where there is discrepancies between the polling unit and at the ward centre collation unit,
the presiding officier from the polling unit and collation officier will review the discrepancies with electronic result, i.e check what was snapped by the Bvas and rectify AT WARD LEVEL. as primary source what is on the BVAS is what will definitely be seen on IREV

We have four coalition stage, polling units 2 ward 2 local govt 2 state then 2 National




Section 64 subservient to section 47 (2) are the only Guide of the collation of results

seunmsg:
They are blurry only on IREV. The real form EC8A results for the 18k units are not blurry. They are very clear and they were used in collating the results. Results were not collated on IREV.

dre11:
https://punchng.com/inflation-rose-67-times-under-emefiele-says-report/

MTNnews:
Same criminal you jokers claim no de give chichi ?! The joke is on your sensless soul.
To what end is this "dishonourable" revelation, what does he intend to achieve? Wetin concern obi in labour and a PDP house of rep member? Yoruba ronu people in whatever guise are stupid

GuyWise101:
Nna mehnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Because of hate for a tribe, Nigerians voted a sick man

Nigeria hate for the Igbos is bringing ridicule and disgrace for the nation

Redoil:
na wah

SOSinNigeria:
Those people on the waste side of Nigeria are naturally wicked, envious and backstabbing snitches. It is wired in their DNA. They are the type of people that will do house nigger roles perfectly.

It is this natural wickedness that made all their towns to look at like shrines and mass of slums. If you have them in your workplace, you must watch your back always. They will snitch on you just to gain unmerited favour. If you're promoted, they will go diabolical and look for ways to harm you.

Trust them at your own peril.

magoo10:
Efcc Bawa is a big disgrace

A bigger shame to anyone who calls himself president of a country

daygee12:
People who ur Obi met at LP party are now APC , e bi like say something dey do u for brain

seunmsg:
They did not dismiss IREV, they only said BVAS is the primary source of data to prove Election Day irregularities. Irrelevant argument such as results were not uploaded on IREV from polling units holds no water in as much as what is eventually uploaded is in-line what’s on BVAS.

From Peter Obi’s petition, it’s obvious they don’t even have a substantial number of form EC8A as they don’t have agents in most polling units. They may get lucky with Rivers if what’s on IREV is the same with what’s on BVAS. But then, that’s where it ends for them. Rivers alone is not enough to change the outcome of the entire election.

Results from various states uploaded on IREV have been calculated by different interest groups including Mark Essien of the Obidient movement and they all ended up arriving at Tinubu’s victory.

Finally, to prove rigging, a candidate must produce the direct result on BVAS from over 170k polling units. I will be waiting for how any candidate will do that successfully.

SporaD8:
The bolded was actually an innuendo in reference to saying that "igbos owns and develop Lagos."
That you can even alludes, much more quote such fallacious statement shows you're not in touch with reality.

Make no mistake, the whole 'Omoale' saga only arise after presidential election when, instead of quietly building on your progress and support from liberal Yoruba, you started arrogating an over bloated self importance to yourself.(as evidence from your above quote in red)
Alright Tinubu is old, fake and corrupt etc.
What's your excuse against Sanwolu?
He is a Muslim and the C-in-C of the Armed force who ordered the shooting of endsars protester?! common guy, unlike you, I voted with my head not my heart.


Oh I see!
FFK, the dye-in-the-wool who flies no flag, holds no tribal/political portfolio is more relevant in Yoruba politics than Obasanjo, Pa Adebanjo etc


On the contrary, there were at least two reports of Agbero being shot dead in Lagos for trying to disrupt election. Your igbo people boasteriously took responsibility and post self-incriminating videos.
Chinasa the BRT arsonist during endsars at oyingbo bustop all the way from anambra is still in custody.


Like I said, instead of building gradually on your gain in Lagos during presidential election, arrogance, greed and disregard for other peoples opinion has eventually made liberal Yoruba to realize that the transient alignment they have with you guys during presidential election is a huge and terrific mistake!


You're joking right?!
If their should be an award for the most attacked politician pre, during and post election, the award will go uncontested to Tinubu.
Tinubu's supporters just recently started serving you your own medicine of propaganda and lies.


I have come to realize that Igbo and Yoruba have different approach to solving same problem.
That's why I stay away from Igbo's political or collective agitation. When you guys eventually learn to respect other people's choice and stop the overbearing nose-it-all, their will be mutual understanding.

Tallesty1:
Okay.... Obi got six thousands votes in Lagos, but according the statistics from your brothers; at least 10 Ekenedili Chukwu buses[two per state in south east] load Igbos and drop them in Lagos every day so one can say that the votes Obi got is not even up to number of Igbos that enter Lagos month.

Secondly you and Falz who saw and agreed to what I am saying were disowned by your people. Omo Ale trended because you supported an Igbo person.

FKK is celebrating the NEW NIGERIA formed by Yoruba and hausa/fulani.

Igbos were threatened by your people, their businesses were destroyed and some of them had gunshot injuries.

Igbos have never killed any Yoruba person in his or her farm, I am not sure they have started any riot in Yoruba land.

Yoruba and Hausa and Fulani have been fighting and killing each other in recent history.

There was a massacre in a church by Fullani Herdsmen in youba land.

But when it was the time to unite and remove the leaders that watched while people were killed, Yorubas aligned with Hausa Fulani.

So why should I pity anyone that dies or even feel sorry? 

Bro, it is unfortunate that your people who see things the way you do are few.

Tinubu came first, Atiku came second, and Obi came third but Obi is constantly under attack by your people. Nobody talks about Kwankwaso or Atiku. Your people are the one calling for Obi's head, not any other group.

Bro, if you are online here during operation python dance, then i am sure you saw how your people used the pictures of our dead brothers and sisters to taunt and torment us for months.

I sincerely don't know why we are having this discussion. You and I know that this killing started again because Tinubu and his vice won, it is the truth and you know it.

Aldol:
Seriously whenever I see igbos discussing politics offline,I give up on their warped psyche. They are very dumb when it comes to politics, they argue blindly while spreading fake news. So long as the fake news will make people pity them, they will nurture the fake news like their life depend on it. They are expert in playing the victim card to attract public sympathy. I stopped watching Afall abi na Arise tv for a long time now,I rather watch NTA than to watch Afall tv. Channels is still better, Tvc is ok, Ait dey try small.