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And now comes someone that is incoherent, cannot respond to simple arguments and just wants to keep typing the same meaningless words over and over. Can you imagine someone crossing off words as if that means anything. Is he in primary school??

The fact is that this silly thread was not created to test any silly scenarios because the scenarios in the first post will never happen. The only purpose of this thread is radicalisation. The same kind of radicalisation that militants in Northern Ireland used and the same kind of radicalisation that Palestinian and Israeli extremists are using.

These extremists here always talk about boycotts or people leaving Lagos, but the truth is that those things will never happen. If you think it's a joke, I dare them to call for all Igbo people to leave Lagos and lets see whether anybody will listen to them. The truth is that they do not represent Igbos offline, they don't have any clout and no one will listen to them.

The whole point of this thread is to bait Yorubas into insulting Igbos and have Igbos insult Yorubas in turn in the hope that this will stoke hatred and win new followers for them. Nobody listens to these jokers offline. If you doubt me, tell them to order all Igbos to leave Lagos and see if that will happen (as if they are the ones feeding Igbos). Like I said, the whole point of this is that they hope that an innocent Igbo person will see this thread, see insults by Yorubas and become angry and hateful.

All the analyses in the first post are all crap and this has been proven conclusively on this thread.

With that said, the thread has outlived its usefulness and I'm out.

topboss1:
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Nobody cares wat you yoruba think, take it or leave it, we are doing us, go and do u.


and i mean dat.

Cool, then what's the purpose of this stupid thread? Who created this stupid thread? Why was Lagos referenced in this stupid thread? Why were Yorubas referenced in this stupid thread??

Now, I'll address the general theme of the thread.

Lagos is blessed with a very good location that has ensured that it has and will always prosper. It is because of this great location that the Aworis made it a home, it is because of this great location that the Binis made a camp here, it is because of this great location that the Saros and Popo Agudas settled here and it is because of this great location that the British made Lagos the capital of Nigeria, despite the protests of Lord Lugard, who didn't like Lagos because there were people in Lagos that could criticise him.



Lagos has always been a thriving city both before and after the British took over the city as you can read from these accounts (note what the British governor said about the city and note that this was before Nigeria was even created).

naptu2:
LAGOS IN THE 1800s

During the 1850s there was a large influx into Lagos of educated Africans, who had earlier been sold as slaves, from Sierra Leone, Brazil and Cuba. Their return profoundly affected the history of Lagos. The Sierra Leonians were known as Akus or Saros, the Brazilians and Cubans as Agudas. The Agudas were mainly Catholics, skilled artisans and craftmen who had purchased their freedom and returned home to their “country” of origin. The Akus or Saros were slaves (or descendants of slaves) rescued by the British naval squadron that patrolled the high seas on the look-out for slavers. The Saro émigrés were mainly missionaries (Protestants), teachers, clerks, or traders. All of the returned émigrés had their homes in one of the hinterland kingdoms – Ijebu, Egba, Ekiti, Oyo-Ibadan, Nupe. Most were probably shipped from Lagos, but none seemed to have been Lagosians.

The composition of populations in Lagos in the 1880s was as follows: Brazilians 3,220, Sierra Leonians 1,533 and Europeans 111, out of a population of 37,458. of all the population 30 ½ per cent (11,049) were engaged in commerce as merchants, traders, agents, clerks and shopmen, 5,173 were tradesmen, mechanics, manufacturers and artisans; 1,414 were farmers and agricultural labourers. In 1871 only 9 2/3 per cent of the population were in commerce, 5 per cent in agriculture. In 1881 the percentage of agricultural workers dropped to 3 ¾ while that of commercial workers jumped to 30 ½. Lagos was therefore predominantly a commercial city. Most of the population was animist in 1868, 14,797 as opposed to 8,422 Muslims and 3,970 Christians.

In the 1880s there were four distinct groups in Lagos – the Europeans, the educated Africans (Saros), the Brazilians and the indigenes. The town was physically divided into four quarters corresponding to these groups. The Europeans lived on the Marina, the Saros mainly west of the Europeans in an area called Olowogbowo, the Brazilians behind the Europeans – their quarter was known as Portuguese Town or Popo Aguda or Popo Maro – and the indigenes on the rest of the island – behind all three.

The Saros were culturally closer to the Europeans than to either of the other two groups. The top social class of Lagos of the 1880s was dominated by the Europeans – merchants, missionaries, civil servants. The Saros tried to gain admission into this class. The criteria for membership were education and wealth. In this sense, the educated elite, both black and white, could be considered as members of the same social group. They lived like Victorian gentlemen, entertainment consisting of numerous ‘conversaziones’, ‘soirees’, ‘levees’, ‘at homes’, ‘tea fights’ and concerts of the works of Bach, Beethoven, Handel and so on. The press had music critics; one irate critic lamented that concerts had fallen to the level of music-hall entertainment. Christmas was a season of Victorian festivities. As one newspaper editor enthused “Balls are announced and concerts and athletic sports, dinners, with the accessories of plump turkeys, minced pies, plum puddings and Christmas trees. Fineries of all sorts and conditions. All the elite seemed to lack was snow. Their dressing and eating habits were predictably Victorian. Most of them were profuse in their loyalty to the queen. In 1881 the Lagos Times prayed for the success of British arms in Ashanti. It declared: “we are so jealous of the Power of British arms that we would not have it suffer the slightest reverse.” The Imperial Federation League found enthusiastic support in Lagos. Several prominent Saros, J.A.O Payne, J.J Thomas and S.J. George came to Britain for Queen Victoria’s diamond jubilee in 1887 at their own expense.

Life styles among the indigenes continued as before. They ate the normal Yoruba dishes of maize, cassava, yams and Yoruba sauces. They dressed in the same large flowing cloak, called Agbada, and baggy trousers. The Saro educated elite wore the lates London fashions – stiff collars and heavy woolen suits. The traditional elite continued to dress as they had always done but had developed new drinking habits. An observer described Dosunmu as “a good tempered, easy going man, much given to pomp …(he) possessed a hundred wives and innumerable suits of apparel. Visitors are always regaled with Champagne whenever they go to see him and I have heard he kept a most luxurious table.” Whitford wrote that when he met Dosunmu, the Oba was “attired in a clean loose white rob; red silk velvet slippers encase his large feet and gold, silver and brass rings profusely adorn his thumbs, fingers and wrists.”

The press exhibited a deep preoccupation with what it regarded as the essentials of society. The editor of the Eagle and Lagos Critic, Mr E.O Macaulay, writing in 1883, described the society of a place as that class of its community which comprised its ruling body, which absorbed by its influence all other ‘societies’ (he found four in Lagos – the Muslims, the Brazilians, the indigenous and the English, which of course, included the Saros) into its unit and imposed its rules of conduct on the other ‘societies’. To despise the society of the ruling class, Macaulay said, was to commit social suicide. He held that Sir John Glover, governor of the colony, 1866 – 72, understood this and therefore had given Lagos ‘society’ some directions. Glover collected at Government House the most prominent, intelligent and promising of the inhabitants of Lagos whom he created into a society, i.e. “a union in one general interest, social sympathy, companionship”. This society had “name and influence above any other, men and women aspired to become members of it and its doors were open to all who proved themselves (worthy)”. After Glover’s departure, this society was left by successive governors to go ‘moribund’. In 1883, Macaulay continued, it “was almost at death’s doors. With the cord of society thus broken, the various groups considered themselves to be of common social level; a new social egalitarianism developed, each group evolving its own code of rules. The divisions increased fear and suspicion and forced each group to seek strength in unity: it was this that brought tribal sentiments and the formation of tribal associations. Suspicions increased; jealousy, ill-will and rancour followed, judgment perverted and man ceased to be estimated by his intrinsic worth”. Every entertainment that was directed from Government House was seen as “an amelioration of the sad condition of society” in the 1880s. in 1884 the press called for the governor to resume his position as “Social Head” of Lagos.

The governors themselves testified to the high level of civilised society in Lagos. Governor Young in 1885 said Lagos was his first contact with civilisation since he left England. The administrators of Lagos found it impossible to keep up the high level of social entertainment Lagos demanded. And requests for increase in table allowances and salaries were frequent. Griffith described Lagos as “the Queen of West African settlements”. He went on: “ no single settlement on the West coast can compare with Lagos in public expenditure, in imports, and exports, in population or in activity, enterprise, and wealth of her mercantile community…Her merchants are unbounded in their hospitality. They entertain liberally and place the choicest and most expensive services on their tables. Even the natives will offer champagne to visitors…they keep open house and everywhere a cordial welcome awaits a stranger.” Griffith asked for horses and a carriage because both the white and black merchants had them. The Colonial Office, in one of those priceless minutes, thought mules and a carriage would suit the deputy governor best.


"Modern and Traditional Elites in the Politics of Lagos" by Patrick Dele Cole, King's College Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1975 at p 45 - 47.

It is for this reason that businessmen have come from all over the world to make Lagos their home. Europeans like Chief John Mastourodes, John N Zarpas, etc. have thrived in Lagos. People from Kano currently probably pay the highest amount of taxes in Lagos. I'm talking about billionaire families like the Dangote Family (Aliko, Sani, Abdu, Halima, etc.), the Rabiu Family (Abdulsamad Isyaku Rabiu, Rabiu Isyaku Rabiu, etc.), the Dantata Family (Tajudeen Dantata, Saayu Dantata), etc.

Of course Lagosians like the Da Rocha Family, Deinde Fernandez, Chief Molade Okoya-Thomas and Sir Mobolaji Bank-Anthony have also thrived here.

Successful Lebanese-Nigerian families like the Chagourys, the Halabis, the El-Khalil Family (7up), etc. have also made Lagos their home. So have Indians like the Vaswani Brothers.

Lots of people like Chief Wahab Iyanda Folawiyo (and his son, Tunde Folawiyo), Chief Razak Okoya, Oba Adedapo Tejuosho, Prince Adekunle Ojora, Otunba Subomi Balogun, Chief Oba Otudeko, Chief Samuel Adedoyin, Chief Amzat Adebowale, etc. have thrived in Lagos. In fact, I can go on and on.

The fact is that Lagos is a great market and a great city. If any group leaves (which won't happen anyway), others will simply take their place and life will continue as usual.

MetaPhysical:
Lagos buying Innoson vans is nothing on any scale of comparison to Lagos giving three electoral slots, one federal, two state, to Ibos in 2015 election year. Soon as they got the office they showed true colors with disrespect and "DISDAIN" for Lagos and Yoruba.

Ibo is bad market, period!

What is even worse is that they are making it seem as if it is by force. They do not know that they are demarketing Innoson. Companies all over the world pay a lot of money to make people (potential customers) to have a good feeling about their brand, but these people are fighting potential customers and making people have a negative view of Innoson. They are making people think that Innoson is only an Igbo brand and that the only reason to buy Innoson is because you are Igbo or because you want to "do Igbo a favour".

All these things are not by force, rather you try to win over potential customers or people that you want to vote for you, not insult, try to bully and blackmail them.

knowledgeable:
Lagos State should mix it up, for the simple fact that Igbo presence in Lagos have benefitted Lagos tremendously. From taxation to commerce and industry, to demography, art, culture, Nollywood, music, Igbo women, your airport/Sea port, your churches. Igbos are probably one of the most critical component driving Lagos into a mega City status. Don't forget real estate, and I can go on and on...

Just to return the favor, nope.. what you show is disdain to a group whose dynamism in the SW/Lagos in particular have effected most Yorubas in a positive way.

My advice; continue to show disdain in Lagos to the Igbos......but no condition last for ever.

What nonsense is this?? Why should Lagos State mix it up?? Is it by force to buy Innoson? The one human being that pays the most taxes in Lagos is Aliko Dangote, who is from Kano, yet people of Kano are not saying that Lagos State must buy Nigerian Truck Company products, neither are people from Kaduna saying that Lagos State must buy PAN products, so what is this nonsense that Lagos must buy Innoson products? Does it really make any sense to you??

What sort of paranoia and madness is this that people are not trying to sensibly market a product, rather they are trying to blackmail and force people to buy it out of some stupid paranoia and conspiracy theory?? How can any sane person think that it will work??

Even Innocent Chukwuma uses Rolls Royce products, rather than Innoson (I know him very well) and you want to force another state government to use Innoson rather than its own products?? What nonsense!!

And how does not using Innoson equal disdain for Igbos?? What nonsense is this?? The Lagos State Government has a deal with Coscharis Motors, which is owned by an Igbo man, but is based in Lagos and you are talking about some stupid disdain for Igbos?? This is absolute and complete crap!

Lets have a little clarity here.

1) The first auto assembly plant in Nigeria was built by General Motors (Bedford) in Lagos in 1959.

2) The Federal Military Government wanted Nigeria to be a producer of automobiles so it went into joint venture businesses with some foreign auto makers and state governments. The foreign auto makers were the technical partners, the state governments provided land and got around 20% shares in the business, while the Federal Government was the majority shareholder.

3) These assembly plants were:

a) Peugeot Automobiles of Nigeria (PAN), Kaduna.

b) Volkswagen of Nigeria (VON), Lagos

c) Anambra Motor Manufacturing Company (ANAMMCO), Enugu (they made Mercedes Benz trucks and buses)

d) National Truck Manufacturing Company (NTM), Kano (they made Fiat trucks and tractors)

e) Leyland Motor Company, Ibadan (they made Leyland trucks and buses)

f) Steyr Motors Nigeria, Bauchi (they made tractors and infantry vehicles for the Nigerian Army).



4) President Obasanjo sold Federal Government shares in these companies.

5) The state governments still have shares in these companies and they have been working hard to ensure that the companies return to full production.

6) Some of the companies that bought the Federal Government shares are not able to run these companies properly and so state governments have been working hard to ensure that other companies take over the plants. For example, Anambra and Enugu state governments have worked hard to ensure that Godwin Okeke (G.U. Okeke) and others take over ANAMMCO, while El Rufai is doing everything possible to ensure that Dangote takes over PAN. Fashola worked hard to ensure that Stallion Motors revived VON and that BRT buses were assembled there.


7) No sane state government would then leave the assembly plant that it has shares in, especially if that assembly plant is producing, to go and buy products from its competitor.

kettykings:
this is exactly the point i am driving , just as Lagos state has no reason to buy innosson same Anambra businesses have no reason to import via Lagos Sea port , use Lagos Airport or use services like ISP domiciled in Lagos

Then you shouldn't have written this nonsense that makes it seem as if the Lagos State Government is not buying Innoson vehicles because of some kind of hatred. What the heck is vengeful about not buying Innoson vehicles?? Why didn't citizens of Kaduna say that Lagos is "vengeful" for not buying PAN products or citizens of Bauchi accuse the Lagos State Government of being vengeful because they didn't buy Steyr products??

The deliberate and vengeful Boycotting of eastern made goods by the Lagos Government , like Innosson cars,

The Lagos State Government even has a deal with Coscharis Motors!!

Gabkosh:
Ask the mumu o. When there are Proforce, JAC, in west. Innoson ko

In fact, Lagos State Government has shares in VON and that's where BRT buses are assembled. Lagos State has had shares in VON since the 1970s.

Primero is about to establish another assembly plant in Epe and BRT buses will also be produced there.

kettykings:
how many of the 800 buses imported by Ambode were from VON, they answer is zero, showing there is a deliberate boycott of eastern products

That was because of politics. Ambode wanted to establish an assembly plant in Epe to compete with VON (they will produce the same make of those buses that Ambode imported). It's the same reason that Lagbus was cancelled and Primero was made the sole provider of BRT services.

The red BRT buses that were used during Fashola's era were assembled at VON.

You have still not told me why Lagos State Government should buy Innososn Vehicles instead of vehicles that are assembled in Lagos (apart from some conspiracy theory that is based on paranoia).

kettykings:
Will Anambra businessmen use GTB and Mansard when they have fidelity bank

That's up to them to decide, but you have not provided any reason why the Lagos State Government, which has shares in VON, should buy Innoson vehicles instead of vehicles from the company that it has shares in.

VON's employees pay taxes in Lagos. The Lagos State Government would get revenue from VON if it is successful.

kettykings:
The deliberate and vengeful Boycotting of eastern made goods by the Lagos Government , like Innosson cars,

Why the heck should the Lagos State Government buy Innoson cars when it has its own assembly plant? Does the Anambra State Government buy cars from the assembly plant in Lagos??

Abdulsamad Isyaku Rabiu.

tck2000:
Oh,when i newly registered in 2018,mine got to 50 pages but after some time,it reduce and i lost some thread.I wouldn't want that to happen again as prevention is better than cure.But wait haven't you lost any thread since you join Nairaland or does it keep moving from 61- infinity?

I have never lost any thread since I joined in 2011. The only threads that "vanish" are threads that are deleted by the mods because the creators broke the rules and threads that vanished when Nairaland was hacked in 2014.

tck2000:
Lol,My followed Topics has gotten to page 45 and once page 45 is filled up,the threads at page 45 start disappearing and i wouldn't want that because i would like to read them.So,i have to go to my followed topics,click on a topic,comment anything on it and unfollow the topic.When i want to read it,i click on my profile and click on my post.Then i read!

That can't be right. I have 61 pages of followed topics and I've never lost a thread.

tck2000:
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I'm curious, why do you keep posting these punctuation marks on old threads?