kettykings:


the 16 million internet users and 23 voice users in lagos are not 100% yorubas , the point is a good number of them are igbos residing in lagos and who are busy giving leverage to the south west economy

kettykings:
From the analysis of events in the past , present and Future , the possibility of a full blown economic war between the South East and South West is not far fetched.

Instances abound of how Fashola deported some individuals and dumped them at the onitsha had bridge, the continuous yearly harassment of igbo traders in Alaba, Ladipo, Oshodi and Lagos island , the enforcement of Iyaloja over markets dominated by igbos in Lagos.

The deliberate and vengeful Boycotting of eastern made goods by the Lagos Government , like Innosson cars, the more than 1000 check points of police and customs to frustrate igbo importers , the near critical activities of street urchins , cultist and omonile who harrass eastern businesses in lagos during and after elections , one is forced to foray into a possibility of an economic war between the East and the West in the future and how the war will pan out

kettykings:


how many of the 800 buses imported by Ambode were from VON, they answer is zero, showing there is a deliberate boycott of eastern products

Livescores:
Cc LegendHero

kettykings:
First , the East can respond by boycotting the following
1. Boycott of Lagos Ports for Niger Delta ports,
2. Boycott Lagos Airports for Abuja Airports for international Flights
3. Universities in the South West for Universities in the East and Niger Delta
4. South West Banks like GTB, Wema, First bank, Sterling for Pro East Banks
5. Relocation of the Nollywood back to the East
6. Boycott and putting a cap to patronage of companies that dont have any base in the East ,cadbury, unilever,nestle
7. Trade tax for goods with no manufacturing base in the east
8. boycott of poultry products from the west
9. stoppage of dumping of goods imported from western ports to the east

kettykings:


go and check percentage of igbos who go to china and Dubai on weekly basis and come back and argue, how many yorubas travel, if Igbos Boycott MMA , the Airport will go bankrupt for lack of patronage and will become like Ibadan or Akure Airport

Oshigun:


This is true and this thread is another classic example of the delusions of grandeur most Igbos are born with. The topic has been put to bed extensively i.e the fact that Igbos and their States are way behind the Yorubas and SW economically and no threat to them at all. The problem is that we still have the likes of the OP who will remain obsessed with winning pseudo wars against Yorubas daily to assuage their feelings of loss and impotence over the civil war.

Otherwise why this thread suggesting an asinine economic war facts tell us only the Igbos will lose woefully? Some of his talk makes me actually think this guy lives in a cage and has no idea of reality. Is it the many Igbos who now feel more Yoruba than anything else, and will not leave the SW even at gunpoint, who will help OP prosecute this economic war? I laugh at the delusions of this OP.

kettykings:


an economic war goes beyond boycotting products, if igbos boycott lagos airport and choose Abuja , they impact will be crushing on lagos airport sustainability , the MMA will go bankrupt

naptu2:


That was because of politics. Ambode wanted to establish an assembly plant in Epe to compete with VON (they will produce the same make of those buses that Ambode imported). It's the same reason that Lagbus was cancelled and Primero was made the sole provider of BRT services.

The red BRT buses that were used during Fashola's era were assembled at VON.

You have still not told me why Lagos State Government should buy Innososn Vehicles instead of vehicles that are assembled in Lagos (apart from some conspiracy theory that is based on paranoia).

knowledgeable:


Lagos State should mix it up, for the simple fact that Igbo presence in Lagos have benefitted Lagos tremendously. From taxation to commerce and industry, to demography, art, culture, Nollywood, music, Igbo women, your airport/Sea port, your churches. Igbos are probably one of the most critical component driving Lagos into a mega City status. Don't forget real estate, and I can go on and on...

Just to return the favor, nope.. what you show is disdain to a group whose dynamism in the SW/Lagos in particular have effected most Yorubas in a positive way.

My advice; continue to show disdain in Lagos to the Igbos......but no condition last for ever.

knowledgeable:


Lagos State should mix it up, for the simple fact that Igbo presence in Lagos have benefitted Lagos tremendously. From taxation to commerce and industry, to demography, art, culture, Nollywood, music, Igbo women, your airport/Sea port, your churches. Igbos are probably one of the most critical component driving Lagos into a mega City status. Don't forget real estate, and I can go on and on...

Just to return the favor, nope.. what you show is disdain to a group whose dynamism in the SW/Lagos in particular have effected most Yorubas in a positive way.

My advice; continue to show disdain in Lagos to the Igbos......but no condition last for ever.

kettykings:
please only economic literates and analysis allowed , no insults , no abuses.

knowledgeable:


Lagos State should mix it up, for the simple fact that Igbo presence in Lagos have benefitted Lagos tremendously. From taxation to commerce and industry, to demography, art, culture, Nollywood, music, Igbo women, your airport/Sea port, your churches. Igbos are probably one of the most critical component driving Lagos into a mega City status. Don't forget real estate, and I can go on and on...

Just to return the favor, nope.. what you show is disdain to a group whose dynamism in the SW/Lagos in particular have effected most Yorubas in a positive way.

My advice; continue to show disdain in Lagos to the Igbos......but no condition last for ever.

naptu2:


What nonsense is this?? Why should Lagos State mix it up?? Is it by force to buy Innoson? The one human being that pays the most taxes in Lagos is Aliko Dangote, who is from Kano, yet people of Kano are not saying that Lagos State must buy Nigerian Truck Company products, neither are people from Kaduna saying that Lagos State must buy PAN products, so what is this nonsense that Lagos must buy Innoson products? Does it really make any sense to you??

What sort of paranoia and madness is this that people are not trying to sensibly market a product, rather they are trying to blackmail and force people to buy it out of some stupid paranoia and conspiracy theory?? How can any sane person think that it will work??

Even Innocent Chulwuma uses Rolls Royce products, rather than Innoson (I know him very well) and you want to force another state government to use Innoson rather than its own products?? What nonsense!!

And how does not using Innoson equal disdain for Igbos?? What nonsense is this?? The Lagos State Government has a deal with Coscharis Motors, which is owned by an Igbo man, but is based in Lagos and you are talking about some stupid disdain for Igbos?? This is absolute and complete crap!

MetaPhysical:


Lagos buying Innoson vans is nothing on any scale of comparison to Lagos giving three electoral slots, one federal, two state, to Ibos in 2015 election year. Soon as they got the office they showed true colors with disrespect and "DISDAIN" for Lagos and Yoruba.

Ibo is bad market, period!

knowledgeable:


Lagos State should mix it up, for the simple fact that Igbo presence in Lagos have benefitted Lagos tremendously. From taxation to commerce and industry, to demography, art, culture, Nollywood, music, Igbo women, your airport/Sea port, your churches. Igbos are probably one of the most critical component driving Lagos into a mega City status. Don't forget real estate, and I can go on and on...

Just to return the favor, nope.. what you show is disdain to a group whose dynamism in the SW/Lagos in particular have effected most Yorubas in a positive way.

My advice; continue to show disdain in Lagos to the Igbos......but no condition last for ever.

kettykings:
[s]From the analysis of events in the past , present and Future , the possibility of a full blown economic war between the South East and South West is not far fetched.

Instances abound of how Fashola deported some individuals and dumped them at the onitsha had bridge, the continuous yearly harassment of igbo traders in Alaba, Ladipo, Oshodi and Lagos island , the enforcement of Iyaloja over markets dominated by igbos in Lagos.

The deliberate and vengeful Boycotting of eastern made goods by the Lagos Government , like Innosson cars, the more than 1000 check points of police and customs to frustrate igbo importers , the near critical activities of street urchins , cultist and omonile who harrass eastern businesses in lagos during and after elections , one is forced to foray into a possibility of an economic war between the East and the West in the future and how the war will pan out[/s]

naptu2:
LAGOS IN THE 1800s

During the 1850s there was a large influx into Lagos of educated Africans, who had earlier been sold as slaves, from Sierra Leone, Brazil and Cuba. Their return profoundly affected the history of Lagos. The Sierra Leonians were known as Akus or Saros, the Brazilians and Cubans as Agudas. The Agudas were mainly Catholics, skilled artisans and craftmen who had purchased their freedom and returned home to their “country” of origin. The Akus or Saros were slaves (or descendants of slaves) rescued by the British naval squadron that patrolled the high seas on the look-out for slavers. The Saro émigrés were mainly missionaries (Protestants), teachers, clerks, or traders. All of the returned émigrés had their homes in one of the hinterland kingdoms – Ijebu, Egba, Ekiti, Oyo-Ibadan, Nupe. Most were probably shipped from Lagos, but none seemed to have been Lagosians.

The composition of populations in Lagos in the 1880s was as follows: Brazilians 3,220, Sierra Leonians 1,533 and Europeans 111, out of a population of 37,458. of all the population 30 ½ per cent (11,049) were engaged in commerce as merchants, traders, agents, clerks and shopmen, 5,173 were tradesmen, mechanics, manufacturers and artisans; 1,414 were farmers and agricultural labourers. In 1871 only 9 2/3 per cent of the population were in commerce, 5 per cent in agriculture. In 1881 the percentage of agricultural workers dropped to 3 ¾ while that of commercial workers jumped to 30 ½. Lagos was therefore predominantly a commercial city. Most of the population was animist in 1868, 14,797 as opposed to 8,422 Muslims and 3,970 Christians.

In the 1880s there were four distinct groups in Lagos – the Europeans, the educated Africans (Saros), the Brazilians and the indigenes. The town was physically divided into four quarters corresponding to these groups. The Europeans lived on the Marina, the Saros mainly west of the Europeans in an area called Olowogbowo, the Brazilians behind the Europeans – their quarter was known as Portuguese Town or Popo Aguda or Popo Maro – and the indigenes on the rest of the island – behind all three.

The Saros were culturally closer to the Europeans than to either of the other two groups. The top social class of Lagos of the 1880s was dominated by the Europeans – merchants, missionaries, civil servants. The Saros tried to gain admission into this class. The criteria for membership were education and wealth. In this sense, the educated elite, both black and white, could be considered as members of the same social group. They lived like Victorian gentlemen, entertainment consisting of numerous ‘conversaziones’, ‘soirees’, ‘levees’, ‘at homes’, ‘tea fights’ and concerts of the works of Bach, Beethoven, Handel and so on. The press had music critics; one irate critic lamented that concerts had fallen to the level of music-hall entertainment. Christmas was a season of Victorian festivities. As one newspaper editor enthused “Balls are announced and concerts and athletic sports, dinners, with the accessories of plump turkeys, minced pies, plum puddings and Christmas trees. Fineries of all sorts and conditions. All the elite seemed to lack was snow. Their dressing and eating habits were predictably Victorian. Most of them were profuse in their loyalty to the queen. In 1881 the Lagos Times prayed for the success of British arms in Ashanti. It declared: “we are so jealous of the Power of British arms that we would not have it suffer the slightest reverse.” The Imperial Federation League found enthusiastic support in Lagos. Several prominent Saros, J.A.O Payne, J.J Thomas and S.J. George came to Britain for Queen Victoria’s diamond jubilee in 1887 at their own expense.

Life styles among the indigenes continued as before. They ate the normal Yoruba dishes of maize, cassava, yams and Yoruba sauces. They dressed in the same large flowing cloak, called Agbada, and baggy trousers. The Saro educated elite wore the lates London fashions – stiff collars and heavy woolen suits. The traditional elite continued to dress as they had always done but had developed new drinking habits. An observer described Dosunmu as “a good tempered, easy going man, much given to pomp …(he) possessed a hundred wives and innumerable suits of apparel. Visitors are always regaled with Champagne whenever they go to see him and I have heard he kept a most luxurious table.” Whitford wrote that when he met Dosunmu, the Oba was “attired in a clean loose white rob; red silk velvet slippers encase his large feet and gold, silver and brass rings profusely adorn his thumbs, fingers and wrists.”

The press exhibited a deep preoccupation with what it regarded as the essentials of society. The editor of the Eagle and Lagos Critic, Mr E.O Macaulay, writing in 1883, described the society of a place as that class of its community which comprised its ruling body, which absorbed by its influence all other ‘societies’ (he found four in Lagos – the Muslims, the Brazilians, the indigenous and the English, which of course, included the Saros) into its unit and imposed its rules of conduct on the other ‘societies’. To despise the society of the ruling class, Macaulay said, was to commit social suicide. He held that Sir John Glover, governor of the colony, 1866 – 72, understood this and therefore had given Lagos ‘society’ some directions. Glover collected at Government House the most prominent, intelligent and promising of the inhabitants of Lagos whom he created into a society, i.e. “a union in one general interest, social sympathy, companionship”. This society had “name and influence above any other, men and women aspired to become members of it and its doors were open to all who proved themselves (worthy)”. After Glover’s departure, this society was left by successive governors to go ‘moribund’. In 1883, Macaulay continued, it “was almost at death’s doors. With the cord of society thus broken, the various groups considered themselves to be of common social level; a new social egalitarianism developed, each group evolving its own code of rules. The divisions increased fear and suspicion and forced each group to seek strength in unity: it was this that brought tribal sentiments and the formation of tribal associations. Suspicions increased; jealousy, ill-will and rancour followed, judgment perverted and man ceased to be estimated by his intrinsic worth”. Every entertainment that was directed from Government House was seen as “an amelioration of the sad condition of society” in the 1880s. in 1884 the press called for the governor to resume his position as “Social Head” of Lagos.

The governors themselves testified to the high level of civilised society in Lagos. Governor Young in 1885 said Lagos was his first contact with civilisation since he left England. The administrators of Lagos found it impossible to keep up the high level of social entertainment Lagos demanded. And requests for increase in table allowances and salaries were frequent. Griffith described Lagos as “the Queen of West African settlements”. He went on: “ no single settlement on the West coast can compare with Lagos in public expenditure, in imports, and exports, in population or in activity, enterprise, and wealth of her mercantile community…Her merchants are unbounded in their hospitality. They entertain liberally and place the choicest and most expensive services on their tables. Even the natives will offer champagne to visitors…they keep open house and everywhere a cordial welcome awaits a stranger.” Griffith asked for horses and a carriage because both the white and black merchants had them. The Colonial Office, in one of those priceless minutes, thought mules and a carriage would suit the deputy governor best.


"Modern and Traditional Elites in the Politics of Lagos" by Patrick Dele Cole, King's College Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1975 at p 45 - 47.

kettykings:



how many of the telco users in Lagos are actually yorubas you can make your points without resorting to insults, the possibility that not upto 30% uers of the telco services in Lagos , mowe, ibafor, are yorubas

kettykings:


this is exactly the point i am driving , just as Lagos state has no reason to buy innosson same Anambra businesses have no reason to import via Lagos Sea port , use Lagos Airport or use services like ISP domiciled in Lagos

naptu2:


Then you shouldn't have written this nonsense that makes it seem as if the Lagos State Government is not buying Innoson vehicles because of some kind of hatred. What the heck is vengeful about not buying Innoson vehicles?? Why didn't citizens of Kaduna say that Lagos is "vengeful" for not buying PAN products or citizens of Bauchi accuse the Lagos State Government of being vengeful because they didn't buy Steyr products??



The Lagos State Government even has a deal with Coscharis Motors!!

kettykings:
what if i told you that more than 50% of the users of MMA are igbos and if there is a consensus among these people to use Abuja or PH Airport , the economic Impact will automatically turn PH and Abuja Airport into a major destination and will impact on the travel economy of those Cities

oyatz:
Excuse me sir, do you have just a credit pass in O/Level Economics?
Did you study Human Geography even at Secondary school level?

Please read about the 'Push and Pull' effects in economic migration .


The cassock doesn't make the priest just as the academic gown doesn't make one a professor.


Economic activities determine the flow of Aviation traffic and NOT the other way round.

In Laymen explanation: The ants move to where Sugar is present and NOT that sugar will be found where ants are present.

MetaPhysical:


Lagos buying Innoson vans is nothing on any scale of comparison to Lagos giving three electoral slots, one federal, two state, to Ibos in 2015 election year. Soon as they got the office they showed true colors with disrespect and "DISDAIN" for Lagos and Yoruba.

Ibo is bad market, period!

kettykings:


go and check percentage of igbos who go to china and Dubai on weekly basis and come back and argue, how many yorubas travel, if Igbos Boycott MMA , the Airport will go bankrupt for lack of patronage and will become like Ibadan or Akure Airport

Kapeter:
well as an ibo man that you are sha. Your no 6 didn't tell you that your people that you claim do travel alot only has one local airport which is owerri and one intl which is not even working compared to people you claim doesn't travel. Only Yorubaland have 4 local airport in the whole Nigeria with one International and all functioning well.MMA, MMA2, Ilorin, Ibadan and Akure with Ekiti and Osun hoping to build theirs in nearest future and yet here you are telling us Yoruba don't travel but the ibos that you claim do travel is with only one local airport. Your Degree is questionable to be candid.

LegendHero:


I'm at work, I won't be able to give a comprehensive reply, however let me just give a small rebuttal:

1. If you boycott Lagos port in a trade war with the SW, where are you ging to sell your product? Which market will have the purchasing power of the SW with its literate and economic population?

2. Well, we already have Abuja Airport so why can't you guys boycott it yet instead of making a pronouncement again? Also hope you know the bulk of the revenue generated at the airport is for the federal government, so you are not doing SW a favor in the first place.

3. Universities in the SW hold like 6 out of the top 10 institutions in Nigeria. The quality of research and academic prestige of those universities are a result of the well determined work put in by the part and parcel of the makeup of the university bodies. The Igbo leaving the universities will not diminish their worth, infact it will open up more space and eradicate the crowdy nature of our institutions which will give more space for quality education.

4. Why can't Innoson consult Igbo bank owners instead of patronizing the Yoruba owned GTB? The Igbos boycotting the Yoruba banks will also mean the Yorubas will boycott Igbo banks. The Yoruba will profit more because we have lot of foreign investments in our domain coupled with the population of banking customers in the SW. Also, those banks have branches across Africa, so boycotting won't wreak the maximum havoc you are thinking. Let us both boycott eachother bank and see who collapse first.

5. Which Nolywood? Are you a joker?. Go now on google and look for the highest grossing Nolywood movies of all time, the movies produced by the Yorubas make 8 out of the 10 list. Wedding Party, Chief Daddy, King of Boys, Trip to Jamaica, 30 Days in Atlanta, Bling Lagosians, and Fifty. Yorubas are the most successful in the Nolywood business, so moving out of the Nolywood is your loss not ours.

6. Boycott international companies? This is just ridiculous. Do you think they only patronize Nigeria? Those are international companies bro and you can't dictate for them. Boycotting them in that way will imply you are telling the international bodies that the SE is a hostile environment which will make other foreign investors to run away from investing in the SE. Your loss!

7. The effect of that will be disastrous coz the counter-effect will be far worse than its benefit

8. I don't know what you mean by this. Boycott poultries and the market will adjust to the changes.

9. Its not about dump of good, its about the market to sell those goods. Where will you sell your goods if the SW lay a economic sanction on you? Well you will sell the goods for the SE population.

10. DON'T EVEN THINK OF DOING WHAT YOU OPINED!

kettykings:

i did not study economics , but i have an international MBA , the factors that necessitated the emergence of Lagos are no longer there, as at 1967 -70 when Lagos officially was created as a state ,

Lagos thrived as Nigeria;s capital for more than 25 years with all the oil and gas headquarters and major sea ports located there to bolster the city's economy , everybody saw Lagos as their economic capital and the last bus stop for their big investments but all that is changing very fast no thanks to the next level agenda of the Buhari government and the division of Nigerians into 97% and 5 % who no longer see lagos as their economic capital .

As at the last check, states in the former East are either in the process of building or have already built international airports , some are already building sea ports, some states in the south east are upping the ante by building multi billion Naira complexes for international trade , leather industry , food processing industries, and new era metropolis like the AMC in anambra


Dubai was an abandoned and undeveloped hunting ground for Emirati and other middle easterners.
Seoul of South korea was a devastated capital like the south eastern capitals devastated by war with little or no hope of ever making it , there was more hopes for lagos than seoul that south korean capital, singapore was an over grown ghetto with no hope of ever becoming a major financial center. South Easterner Nigeria Cities like owerri, Onitsha, Enugu was flattened , abandoned, razed to the ground, decapitated with no hopes ever of bouncing back.

Fast forward to 2020 Lagos is still lagos state , Dubai is now a Global financial centre and a major tourist destination in the middle east, The total contribution of the travel and tourism sector to the UAE's GDP was AED 159.1 billion (USD 43.3 billion) which is 12.1 per cent of GDP and it is higher than the Budget of Nigeria.
Seoul is now a major Global financial centre with some of the biggest companies in the world, samsung revenue is in excess of $200b and this is more than times 6 of the Nigerian budget for 2020 ,

Singapore is now a Global financial centre , singapore Tourism receipts was estimated at S$23.6 billion in 2014, compared to S$18.9 billion in 2010, with Sightseeing, Entertainment & Gaming accounting for 24.7% of total expenditure, Accommodation making up 22.5%, Shopping accounting for 17.4% and Food and Beverage another 9.6%.
The abandoned and decapitated cities of the south east like owerri, Onitsha, Enugu are now burgeoning centers with capital inflow from igbos in diaspora , very busy Airports and very high capital transactions in terms of bank deposits and a very mobile work force.

kettykings:


Apart from the MMA all the traffic in the Ibadan and Akure with Ekiti and Osun airports is not even up to the traffic in enugu airport or owerri the privately built airport . what i am now telling you is that the factors that necessitated the emergence of lagos as an economic empire , which the likes of Tinubu and MC oluomo are taking advantage of today is no longer there today , lagos will slowly decline economically in the net few years with Abuja taking over and the emergence of new economic blocks like Uyo, PH and the East.

The coming dangote refinery that would have helped the destiny of lagos will not see the light of the day except electric cars are delayed ,the lagos / ibadan rail will end up like Ajaokuta with very low income vs high maintenance cost. The very high cost of doing business in lagos will drive out small players to other port cities in Niger delta and leave only the big players like Dangote , BUA and MTN