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Atiku Abubakar is not a member of the Yar'Adua Family, but everybody agrees that he inherited the PDM structure from Shehu Musa Yar'Adua. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks]Very interesting. Would you care to shed light on what specific political structure Falae Sr wanted to pass on to his son, and why his son is the most competent person in the whole state who is capable of carrying the torch? This idea of inheriting a political structure which was probably built by the people's resources smacks of nepotism on its surface.[/quote]Finally, a good question. Fela Kuti was the King of Afrobeat. At the time people called Femi the Crown Prince of Afrobeat. Today Femi is the king of afrobeat. He was taught how to play music by his dad. His dad introduced him to his friends (Hugh Masakela, etc). He had the chance to inherit his dad's followers (fans and the Egypt 80 band). Some members of the band decided not to continue with him and Femi also preferred his own band (the Positive Force). When Awo died, a lot of people struggled to inherit his political structure. His ideology (free education, welfarism, etc), his followers, even his cap. Note, nobody is forced to follow the new leader, but it is believed that inheriting his machinery can help you win elections. That's the structure. |
Kairoseki77: ^^^^^^^1) Was Falae the previous commissioner? 2) If he had already inherited it, would he have used words that imply that he didn't inherit it? 3) What position does Falae hold at the moment? He was certainly not talking about the position of Commissioner of Culture and Tourism. |
O! I forgot to add, your point about Falae. Now you've brought me back to my first post. He wasn't talking about inheriting a position (like minister, etc) he was talking about inheriting a structure and an ideology. |
Kairoseki77: I agree 100% that the problem is corruption and nepotism.Now, since you've agreed that the problem is corruption and nepotism, not political families, let's move on to the issue of your assumptions. You've made a lot of assumptions, but your assumptions are directed at other issues, not really the issue of political families. I'll use one as an example. You said that political families, particularly when they involve father and sons, lead to the "sit tight" syndrome. Well, John Adams only served one term in office, John Quincy Adams only served one term, George HW Bush only served one term and George W Bush served two terms and left. Mobutu was not a member of a political family, but he ruled for life. The issue isn't political families, the issue is the independence of state organs, the democratic ideals of the people, transparency, etc. It's not really about political families. |
Kairoseki77: Only two members of the Clinton family are in politics, Bill Clinton and his wife. We are talking about a family passing down political power to its children. The Clinton's do not apply.You see, I knew this from the beginning, that's why in my first post I gave you an opportunity to clarify your position. Your problem is not really with political families. You have a problem with corruption and nepotism. So do I. But that's completely different from saying that a son cannot inherit his father's political structure or that we shouldn't have political families. What's wrong if a father has a political ideology and he teaches his son that ideology and his followers accept his son as their leader? What's wrong if the people buy into that ideology and decide to elect the son into office? I'm not talking about election rigging or corruption or imposition or anything like that. What's wrong if the son wins a free and fair election? Corruption, hatred, etc are a completely different point, but you are saying that, in a democracy, the people should not have the right to vote for who they want to vote for, not because of anything the person did, but simply because he has a relative that's a politician. That's wrong and undemocratic. |
The Dafinone Family have been certified by the Guinness Book of Records as having the most chartered accountants in one family. Maybe we should limit the number of accountants in a family. Impose a kind of quota system. We can also limit the number of doctors and lawyers per family. http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-11000/most-chartered-accountants-in-one-family |
Kairoseki77: John Quincy Adams went down in history as a horrible President. Even today, he is considered one of the worst Presidents in American history by academic historians. George Bush was also a TERRIBLE President.Actually, you still haven't proven your point. All politicians are hated by some people. That's natural and it's not necessarily because they have family members who are politicians. Goodluck Jonathan is hated by some, but he is not a member of a political family (by the way, I see you also omitted some names on the list - Kennedys, Clintons, Benns, Milibands, etc). The point is, why should a person be prevented from taking part in politics simply because they have a relative that's a politician? Power belongs to the people and they have the right to vote a member of a political family into office if they choose to. Why do you want to prevent them from making that choice? Isn't that anti-democratic? |
Kairoseki77: I know what he meant.That's VERY STRANGE. I would have thought that democracies give people the freedom to choose if they want to participate in politics or not, while you only find such restrictions in totalitarian societies. Is there some kind of quota system that determines how many members of a family can participate in politics? Most democracies have had political families. John Adams and John Quincy Adams where both US presidents. We've had the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons, etc in the US, the Bhuttos in Pakistan, the Aquinos in the Philipines, the Benns, the Milibands, etc in Britain, the Ghandis and Nehrus in India, Jomo Kenyatta and Uhuru Kenyatta in Kenya, the Bandaranaikes in Sri-Lanka, etc. Why should someone be prevented from participating in politics, just because he has a relative that's a politician? Isn't that an infringement of his rights? |
Kairoseki77: This is a democracy, not a kingdom.He is not referring to a political position (which political position does Falae hold?). He is referring to political structures/followership. |
Jman06: Much as i don't support mediocrity,i still think it's not proper for the tv presenters to have allowed the matter gain so much publicity.Think about the shame this man and not just his immediate but extended family have been put through.Thinking of this matter critically,how does his not being able to provide the nscdc website offhand equate to mediocrity?Is he the nscdc director of information?Was he ever found wanting in his duties as nscdc state director prior to the incidence?To warrant such humiliation?As far as i am concerned,the publicity which the ''my oga at the top'' issue gained was uncalled for and if i were a lawyer in the matter i would make the management of channel tv pay severely for that.1) He agreed to appear on a programme at Channels TV. The programme was about fake NSCDC websites. His job at that point in time was to provide information that would prevent members of the public from being duped by fraudsters. He did not do his job! 2) He should have sent the Director of Information to represent him if he knew that he would not be able to provide the information that's necessary. 3) The man is responsible for whatever shame he was put through. It is not the fault of the presenters that he was unable to provide the information that's required. 4) I would really like to know what you would have done if you were a lawyer. 5) One of the reasons that Nigeria is in its present state is because of this kind of unnecessary sentimentality. Someone steals money. Rather than advocating that he is prosecuted, some Nigerians would insist that he is let go because "he is from my town", "is he the only person that has stolen?", "he has a wife and children at home". Someone does a bad job, but we should overlook it because "he is from my town", "is he the only person that has done a bad job?", "he has a wife and children at home" It's really terrible. There's no accountability, so there's no reason to improve. |
I wish there was a way I could get that video clip from AIT, because MCK Ajuluchukwu's comments were quite revealing. He was actually at State House during the crisis. |
Desola: Yes I am ready to moderate this section.Can I nominate two people? I'd like to nominate CFCfan and Desola. |
Odia Ofeimun said (on the AIT Independence Day programme) that a copy of Zik's initial speech (including his reasons for not calling Balewa to form a government) is in the British Library. |
That reminds me of Femi Kuti's performance aboard a KLM flight to Amsterdam. https://www.nairaland.com/1006435/femi-kuti-performs-klm-flight |
This is not as detailed as the interview and unfortunately Ajuluchukwu is late, but this is a recent quote from Odia Ofeimun. Azikiwe had written a long speech, published in an early edition of his newspaper, theWest African Pilot, explaining why he would not call on the Prime Minister, Tafawa Balewa, to form a government. And then another emergency edition was published later in the day in which he wrote another speech calling on the Prime Minister to form a government. The Great Zik had virtually been put under house arrest by the British Commander of the Nigerian Army, Welby Everard.http://mobile.saharareporters.com/report/forgotten-documents-nigerian-civil-war-odia-ofeimun |
Katsumoto: For those who don't understand the process of forming governments and think AG was double dealing by approaching NCNC and NPC, please see below for how it is done in the world. If you don't have basic understanding of politics, then stay out of it.AIT had a special Independence Day programme sometime in the early 2000s. The guests were Odia Ofeimun and MCK Ajuluchukwu. Odia said that Chief Awolowo had written to Azikiwe with a proposal tha Zik should be the Head of State, who would take care of the political structure and issues in Nigeria, while he serves as Prime Minister to manage the economy. Odia claimed that Zik responded and accepted Awo's proposal. He claimed that Zik wanted to implement that proposal during the constitutional crisis. He said that there were copies of the letters in Nigeria, but he believes that Nigerian officials have destroyed them, but that there are still copies in the British Library. M.C.K Ajuluchukwu laughed and said that Odia was talking about what he read. He claimed that he (Ajuluchukwu) was at State House Marina when Zik agreed to Awo's proposal. He claimed that General Welby-Everard deployed soldiers to surround State House and that Zik was forced to replace the speech that he had written (in which he invited Awo to form a coalition government) with another in which he invited Balewa to form the government. Ajuluchukwu stated that, in his opinion, that was the first coup in Nigeria's history. I wish I had the tape of that show. |
bemagnify: Mr. fundamental objectives and direct principles of state policy are not mandatory to be implemented and u know it....Scroll up ![]() |
4) Locus Standi In law, standing or locus standi is the term for the ability of a party to demonstrate to the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case. Standing exists from one of three causes:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law) In Fawehinmi v. Akilu (1987) 2 NWLR (PT 67) 767 the Supreme Court relaxed the anachronistic doctrine of locus standi so as to permit the private prosecution of criminal offences by concerned individuals on the ground that “we are all our brothers’ keepers”. |
3) [size=14pt]Landmark court decision on right to education.[/size]http://www.right-to-education.org/node/719 |
African Charter on Human and Peoples Rights Article 17This is justiceable in Nigeria (the treaty was ratified by Nigeria). There's a judicial precedent regarding this (someone sued the Federal Government of Nigeria. The case went all the way to the Ecowas Court. The Court ruled that the Right to Education, as contained in the Nigerian Constitution is not justiceable, but the rights as contained in the African Charter are justiceable). |
1) Constitution of The Federal Republic of Nigeria (1999). Chapter II Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy. 18. (1) Government shall direct its policy towards ensuring that there are equal and adequate educational opportunities at all levels.Unfortunately the Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy are not justiceable. |
HNosegbe: The way I see it, he'll have to prove to the court that he has suffered DIRECT loss as a result of the strike for this case not to be thrown it. Probably he has kids in the public universities, for instance?1) Locus Standi 2) Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy (is it justiceable?) 3) African Charter on Human and People's Rights (article 17). |
Massive sigh of relief. I'm in shock, but . . . . . . . That would have been very painful. |
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naptu2: The party's about to start! Come one, come all (but, shhh! Don't tell Ishilove about it yet). https://www.nairaland.com/1463164/happy-birthday-ishilove#18534315 |
naptu2: The party's about to start! Come one, come all (but, shhh! Don't tell Ishilove about it yet). https://www.nairaland.com/1463164/happy-birthday-ishilove#18534315 |
naptu2: The party's about to start! Come one, come all (but, shhh! Don't tell Ishilove about it yet). https://www.nairaland.com/1463164/happy-birthday-ishilove#18534315 |
Moment of silence.
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