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Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 10:23am On Oct 06, 2013
Atiku Abubakar is not a member of the Yar'Adua Family, but everybody agrees that he inherited the PDM structure from Shehu Musa Yar'Adua.
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 10:21am On Oct 06, 2013
[quote author=ndu_chucks]Very interesting. Would you care to shed light on what specific political structure Falae Sr wanted to pass on to his son, and why his son is the most competent person in the whole state who is capable of carrying the torch? This idea of inheriting a political structure which was probably built by the people's resources smacks of nepotism on its surface.[/quote]Finally, a good question.

Fela Kuti was the King of Afrobeat. At the time people called Femi the Crown Prince of Afrobeat. Today Femi is the king of afrobeat.

He was taught how to play music by his dad. His dad introduced him to his friends (Hugh Masakela, etc). He had the chance to inherit his dad's followers (fans and the Egypt 80 band). Some members of the band decided not to continue with him and Femi also preferred his own band (the Positive Force).

When Awo died, a lot of people struggled to inherit his political structure. His ideology (free education, welfarism, etc), his followers, even his cap. Note, nobody is forced to follow the new leader, but it is believed that inheriting his machinery can help you win elections.

That's the structure.
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 10:14am On Oct 06, 2013
Kairoseki77: ^^^^^^^

His son ALREADY had a political position in Ondo as a Commissioner. The corruption and nepotism had already begun.

He wasn't talking about ideology or structure.
1) Was Falae the previous commissioner?

2) If he had already inherited it, would he have used words that imply that he didn't inherit it?

3) What position does Falae hold at the moment?

He was certainly not talking about the position of Commissioner of Culture and Tourism.
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 9:57am On Oct 06, 2013
O! I forgot to add, your point about Falae. Now you've brought me back to my first post. He wasn't talking about inheriting a position (like minister, etc) he was talking about inheriting a structure and an ideology.
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 9:54am On Oct 06, 2013
Kairoseki77: I agree 100% that the problem is corruption and nepotism.

Unfortunately, how often is corruption and nepotism not a factor in REAL LIFE political families? In theory, political families can be honest and upstanding.

How often does that happen anywhere in the world, especially in Nigeria?What are the chances that Falae was planning an honest and fair inheritance for his son? Let's be honest.
Now, since you've agreed that the problem is corruption and nepotism, not political families, let's move on to the issue of your assumptions. You've made a lot of assumptions, but your assumptions are directed at other issues, not really the issue of political families. I'll use one as an example.

You said that political families, particularly when they involve father and sons, lead to the "sit tight" syndrome. Well, John Adams only served one term in office, John Quincy Adams only served one term, George HW Bush only served one term and George W Bush served two terms and left. Mobutu was not a member of a political family, but he ruled for life. The issue isn't political families, the issue is the independence of state organs, the democratic ideals of the people, transparency, etc.

It's not really about political families.
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 9:37am On Oct 06, 2013
Kairoseki77: Only two members of the Clinton family are in politics, Bill Clinton and his wife. We are talking about a family passing down political power to its children. The Clinton's do not apply.

I don't know anything about UK politics, so I have nothing to say about the Millibrands or the Benns.

This isn't about being hated, its about being corrupt. Take Kenya. Uhuru Kenyatta is massively wealthy because his father stole vast tracts of land while he was President. Then, to maintain their power and wealth, the Kenyattas had to befriend Arap Moi during his decades of dictatorship. Uhuru Kenyatta became powerful because of the wealth and connections his father earned through illicit means. THAT is the problem. Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Uhuru is accused of crimes against humanity by the ICC.
You see, I knew this from the beginning, that's why in my first post I gave you an opportunity to clarify your position. Your problem is not really with political families. You have a problem with corruption and nepotism. So do I. But that's completely different from saying that a son cannot inherit his father's political structure or that we shouldn't have political families.

What's wrong if a father has a political ideology and he teaches his son that ideology and his followers accept his son as their leader? What's wrong if the people buy into that ideology and decide to elect the son into office?

I'm not talking about election rigging or corruption or imposition or anything like that. What's wrong if the son wins a free and fair election?

Corruption, hatred, etc are a completely different point, but you are saying that, in a democracy, the people should not have the right to vote for who they want to vote for, not because of anything the person did, but simply because he has a relative that's a politician. That's wrong and undemocratic.
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 9:24am On Oct 06, 2013
The Dafinone Family have been certified by the Guinness Book of Records as having the most chartered accountants in one family. Maybe we should limit the number of accountants in a family. Impose a kind of quota system. We can also limit the number of doctors and lawyers per family.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-11000/most-chartered-accountants-in-one-family
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 9:18am On Oct 06, 2013
Kairoseki77: John Quincy Adams went down in history as a horrible President. Even today, he is considered one of the worst Presidents in American history by academic historians. George Bush was also a TERRIBLE President.

Don't know much about Pakistan, but judging from how their country is suffering from extreme poverty, rampant terrorism, polio, poor health, and badly educated citizens, I can't say that the Bhutto's have set a shining example.

The Aquinos in the Phillipines are HATED. HATED. HATED. They are hated by their people for being corrupt b*stards.

Every example you bring just further proves my point. Politics SHOULD NOT be a family business. Power belongs to the people, not to a last name.
Actually, you still haven't proven your point. All politicians are hated by some people. That's natural and it's not necessarily because they have family members who are politicians. Goodluck Jonathan is hated by some, but he is not a member of a political family (by the way, I see you also omitted some names on the list - Kennedys, Clintons, Benns, Milibands, etc).


The point is, why should a person be prevented from taking part in politics simply because they have a relative that's a politician? Power belongs to the people and they have the right to vote a member of a political family into office if they choose to. Why do you want to prevent them from making that choice? Isn't that anti-democratic?
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2:
Kairoseki77: I know what he meant.

No one should look at politics as a family business in a democracy.
That's VERY STRANGE. I would have thought that democracies give people the freedom to choose if they want to participate in politics or not, while you only find such restrictions in totalitarian societies. Is there some kind of quota system that determines how many members of a family can participate in politics?


Most democracies have had political families. John Adams and John Quincy Adams where both US presidents. We've had the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons, etc in the US, the Bhuttos in Pakistan, the Aquinos in the Philipines, the Benns, the Milibands, etc in Britain, the Ghandis and Nehrus in India, Jomo Kenyatta and Uhuru Kenyatta in Kenya, the Bandaranaikes in Sri-Lanka, etc.

Why should someone be prevented from participating in politics, just because he has a relative that's a politician? Isn't that an infringement of his rights?
Politics › Re: I Thought My Son Would Succeed Me —grief-stricken Falae by naptu2: 6:53am On Oct 06, 2013
Kairoseki77: This is a democracy, not a kingdom.

Your children should not inherit political positions. Maybe that is a lesson for our leaders.

RIP
He is not referring to a political position (which political position does Falae hold?). He is referring to political structures/followership.
Politics › Re: 'My Oga At The Top': Wife Protests At Channels TV' by naptu2: 11:47am On Oct 05, 2013
Jman06: Much as i don't support mediocrity,i still think it's not proper for the tv presenters to have allowed the matter gain so much publicity.Think about the shame this man and not just his immediate but extended family have been put through.Thinking of this matter critically,how does his not being able to provide the nscdc website offhand equate to mediocrity?Is he the nscdc director of information?Was he ever found wanting in his duties as nscdc state director prior to the incidence?To warrant such humiliation?As far as i am concerned,the publicity which the ''my oga at the top'' issue gained was uncalled for and if i were a lawyer in the matter i would make the management of channel tv pay severely for that.
1) He agreed to appear on a programme at Channels TV. The programme was about fake NSCDC websites. His job at that point in time was to provide information that would prevent members of the public from being duped by fraudsters. He did not do his job!

2) He should have sent the Director of Information to represent him if he knew that he would not be able to provide the information that's necessary.

3) The man is responsible for whatever shame he was put through. It is not the fault of the presenters that he was unable to provide the information that's required.

4) I would really like to know what you would have done if you were a lawyer.

5) One of the reasons that Nigeria is in its present state is because of this kind of unnecessary sentimentality. Someone steals money. Rather than advocating that he is prosecuted, some Nigerians would insist that he is let go because "he is from my town", "is he the only person that has stolen?", "he has a wife and children at home". Someone does a bad job, but we should overlook it because "he is from my town", "is he the only person that has done a bad job?", "he has a wife and children at home"

It's really terrible. There's no accountability, so there's no reason to improve.
Politics › Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 10:54am On Oct 05, 2013
I wish there was a way I could get that video clip from AIT, because MCK Ajuluchukwu's comments were quite revealing. He was actually at State House during the crisis.
Politics › Re: Are You Interested In Moderating This Section? by naptu2: 10:30am On Oct 05, 2013
Desola: Yes I am ready to moderate this section.
Can I nominate two people? I'd like to nominate CFCfan and Desola.
Politics › Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 7:10pm On Oct 04, 2013
Odia Ofeimun said (on the AIT Independence Day programme) that a copy of Zik's initial speech (including his reasons for not calling Balewa to form a government) is in the British Library.
Entertainment › Re: Basket-Mouth Thrills Virgin Atlantic Passengers Onboard Lagos To London Flight by naptu2: 5:13pm On Oct 04, 2013
That reminds me of Femi Kuti's performance aboard a KLM flight to Amsterdam.

https://www.nairaland.com/1006435/femi-kuti-performs-klm-flight
Politics › Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 4:31pm On Oct 04, 2013
This is not as detailed as the interview and unfortunately Ajuluchukwu is late, but this is a recent quote from Odia Ofeimun.

Azikiwe had written a long speech, published in an early edition of his newspaper, theWest African Pilot, explaining why he would not call on the Prime Minister, Tafawa Balewa, to form a government. And then another emergency edition was published later in the day in which he wrote another speech calling on the Prime Minister to form a government. The Great Zik had virtually been put under house arrest by the British Commander of the Nigerian Army, Welby Everard.

Discovering that the army would not obey their commander in chief, Zik capitulated. His capitulation was facilitated by the whispering campaign that it was only two medical opinions that were  required to prove him unfit to take a decision. As Dudley footnoted in his Introduction to Nigerian Politics, “The President gave way when he realized there was a move to declare him medically incapable of continuing in office”. (p.312)As I have argued in newspaper articles, this was the very first coup in Nigeria's post-independence history. It was the Rubicon crossed after which every Nigerian political party had to build and flex a military muzzle in anticipation of a long expected blow up.
http://mobile.saharareporters.com/report/forgotten-documents-nigerian-civil-war-odia-ofeimun
Politics › Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 3:34pm On Oct 04, 2013
Katsumoto: For those who don't understand the process of forming governments and think AG was double dealing by approaching NCNC and NPC, please see below for how it is done in the world. If you don't have basic understanding of politics, then stay out of it.


Merkel Germany: Delicate coalition talks begin

Talks on forming a new German coalition btw Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives and their main leftist rivals are under way in Berlin.

Her Christian Democrats (CDU) fell just short of an outright majority @ last month's polls, when their liberal partner won no seats at all.

7 leading figures from the CDU are meeting seven counterparts from the Social Democrats (SPD).

D SPD is seen as their likeliest new partner despite sharp differences.

Also present at the talks are seven members of Mrs Merkel's Bavarian allies, the Christian Social Union.

Key issues are taxation and a proposed national minimum wage.

If a grand coalition is forged by the two main parties, like the one Mrs Merkel led in 2005, it faces the twin tasks of rebalancing the eurozone's biggest economy and winning the support of the German public to tackle the eurozone's debt and banking problems.

Keeping its options open, Mrs Merkel's party is also holding preliminary talks next week with the Greens (another party).

At the election on 22 September, the CDU took about 41.5% of the vote, the SPD won 26%, the Greens 8.4%, and the former communist Left Party 8.6%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24398772

P.S I changed some words to avoid the spambot
AIT had a special Independence Day programme sometime in the early 2000s. The guests were Odia Ofeimun and MCK Ajuluchukwu.

Odia said that Chief Awolowo had written to Azikiwe with a proposal tha Zik should be the Head of State, who would take care of the political structure and issues in Nigeria, while he serves as Prime Minister to manage the economy. Odia claimed that Zik responded and accepted Awo's proposal. He claimed that Zik wanted to implement that proposal during the constitutional crisis. He said that there were copies of the letters in Nigeria, but he believes that Nigerian officials have destroyed them, but that there are still copies in the British Library.

M.C.K Ajuluchukwu laughed and said that Odia was talking about what he read. He claimed that he (Ajuluchukwu) was at State House Marina when Zik agreed to Awo's proposal. He claimed that General Welby-Everard deployed soldiers to surround State House and that Zik was forced to replace the speech that he had written (in which he invited Awo to form a coalition government) with another in which he invited Balewa to form the government. Ajuluchukwu stated that, in his opinion, that was the first coup in Nigeria's history.

I wish I had the tape of that show.
Education › Re: Lawyer Sues FG, ASUU Over Strike by naptu2: 2:36pm On Oct 04, 2013
bemagnify: Mr. fundamental objectives and direct principles of state policy are not mandatory to be implemented and u know it....

for locus standi... he may suffer direct or indirect loss... and u know indirect loss is still actionable per se....
Scroll up smiley
Education › Re: Lawyer Sues FG, ASUU Over Strike by naptu2: 2:25pm On Oct 04, 2013
4) Locus Standi

In law, standing or locus standi is the term for the ability of a party to demonstrate to the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case. Standing exists from one of three causes:

* The party is directly subject to an adverse effect by the statute or action in question, and the harm suffered will continue unless the court grants relief in the form of damages or a finding that the law either does not apply to the party or that the law is void or can be nullified. This is called the "something to lose" doctrine, in which the party has standing because they directly will be harmed by the conditions for which they are asking the court for relief.

* The party is not directly harmed by the conditions by which they are petitioning the court for relief but asks for it because the harm involved has some reasonable relation to their situation, and the continued existence of the harm may affect others who might not be able to ask a court for relief. In the United States, this is the grounds for asking for a law to be struck down as violating the First Amendment, because while the plaintiff might not be directly affected, the law might so adversely affect others that one might never know what was not done or created by those who fear they would become subject to the law – the so-called "chilling effects" doctrine.

* The party is granted automatic standing by act of law. Under some environmental laws in the United States, a party may sue someone causing pollution to certain waterways without a federal permit, even if the party suing is not harmed by the pollution being generated. The law allows them to receive a portion of any fines collected by the government from their violation of law. In some U.S. states, a person who believes a book, film or other work of art is obscene may sue in their own name to have the work banned directly without having to ask a District Attorney to do so.

In the United States, the current doctrine is that a person cannot bring a suit challenging the constitutionality of a law unless the plaintiff can demonstrate that he/she/it is or will "imminently" be harmed by the law. Otherwise, the court will rule that the plaintiff "lacks standing" to bring the suit, and will dismiss the case without considering the merits of the claim of unconstitutionality. To have a court declare a law unconstitutional, there must be a valid reason for the lawsuit. The party suing must have something to lose in order to sue unless it has automatic standing by action of law.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)


In Fawehinmi v. Akilu (1987) 2 NWLR (PT 67) 767 the Supreme Court relaxed the anachronistic doctrine of locus standi so as to permit the private prosecution of criminal offences by concerned individuals on the ground that “we are all our brothers’ keepers”.
Education › Re: Lawyer Sues FG, ASUU Over Strike by naptu2: 2:14pm On Oct 04, 2013
3)

[size=14pt]Landmark court decision on right to education.[/size]

The landmark decision at the ECOWAS court was made in 2009 and confirmed in late 2010. The fact that an important regional court has declared that education is an enforceable right in Nigeria sets precedents for future cases.

2010

6 December 2010 Nigeria: ECOWAS Court affirms Nigeria accountable for ensuring the right to education Amnesty International calls on the Nigerian government to implement the judgment issued by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) Community Court of Justice which requires the government to ensure that the right to free and compulsory basic education is upheld. In a landmark decision, the court also affirmed that the right to education should not be undermined by corruption.

The ECOWAS Court held that Nigeria’s Universal Basic Education Commission has the responsibility to ensure that funds disbursed for basic education are properly used for this purpose.

While the Court stated that proof of high level corruption had not been presented before it, it noted that there was prima facieevidence of embezzlement of funds on the basis of the reports of Nigeria’s Independent Corrupt Practices Commission (ICPC). The Court stated that while steps are taken to recover funds and/or prosecute the suspects, the Nigerian government is required to provide the funds necessary to cover the shortfall in order to avoid denying any of its people the right to education.


The Court stated that it will hold ECOWAS States accountable if they deny the right to education to their people. It affirmed its earlier ruling of 27 October 2009 which rejected the government’s claim that the right to education was not enforceable and which stated that the Court has jurisdiction to hear cases involving allegations of breaches of the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights.

This judgment is an important restatement of the principles of universality and indivisibility of all human rights established in both the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The judgment also represents an important step forward in the progressive realisation of economic, social and cultural rights in Nigeria in particular, and the West Africa sub-region in general.

The Nigerian government must publicly acknowledge that it is bound by the decision made by the ECOWAS court and that it will take immediate steps to enforce it.

Amnesty International also calls on the Nigerian government to take immediate steps to address corruption in the education sector in order to ensure the right to education.
All ECOWAS member states must insist that the Nigerian government comply with the judgment. The effectiveness of the ECOWAS court and the development of regional human rights jurisprudence can only be ensured if all ECOWAS member states use their influence to ensure that Nigeria complies with the decision of the court.

In addition, in line with their international obligations, ECOWAS member states must take steps to ensure that the right to free and compulsory basic education is upheld in their own countries.

The case (suit number: ECW/CCJ/APP/0808) was brought by the Socio-Economic Rights and Accountability Project (SERAP) against the Federal Government of Nigeria and the Universal Basic Education Commission (UBEC). Amnesty International contributed to the legal submission by SERAP to the court.

The Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), is a regional group of fifteen countries. Member States are Benin, Cape Verde, Cote D’Ivoire, the Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone and Togo.
The Community Court of Justice is the principal legal organ of ECOWAS and its main function is to ensure the observance of the rule of law and justice in ECOWAS member states.
http://www.right-to-education.org/node/719
Education › Re: Lawyer Sues FG, ASUU Over Strike by naptu2: 2:02pm On Oct 04, 2013
African Charter on Human and Peoples Rights

Article 17

1. Every individual shall have the right to education. 2. Every individual may freely, take part in the cultural life of his community. 3. The promotion and protection of morals and traditional values recognized by the community shall be the duty of the State.
This is justiceable in Nigeria (the treaty was ratified by Nigeria).

There's a judicial precedent regarding this (someone sued the Federal Government of Nigeria. The case went all the way to the Ecowas Court. The Court ruled that the Right to Education, as contained in the Nigerian Constitution is not justiceable, but the rights as contained in the African Charter are justiceable).
Education › Re: Lawyer Sues FG, ASUU Over Strike by naptu2: 1:53pm On Oct 04, 2013
1)

Constitution of The Federal Republic of Nigeria (1999).

Chapter II

Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy.

18. (1) Government shall direct its policy towards ensuring that there are equal and adequate educational opportunities at all levels.

(2) Government shall promote science and technology

(3) Government shall strive to eradicate illiteracy; and to this end Government shall as and when practicable provide

(a) free, compulsory and universal primary education;

(b) free secondary education;

(c) free university education; and

(d) free adult literacy programme.
Unfortunately the Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy are not justiceable.
Education › Re: Lawyer Sues FG, ASUU Over Strike by naptu2: 1:38pm On Oct 04, 2013
HNosegbe: The way I see it, he'll have to prove to the court that he has suffered DIRECT loss as a result of the strike for this case not to be thrown it. Probably he has kids in the public universities, for instance?

I wish him luck.
1) Locus Standi

2) Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy (is it justiceable?)

3) African Charter on Human and People's Rights (article 17).
Politics › Re: I’m Alright – Feyi Agagu by naptu2: 1:16am On Oct 04, 2013
Massive sigh of relief. I'm in shock, but . . . . . . .

That would have been very painful.
Nairaland General › Re: Happy Birthday Ishilove!!! by naptu2(op): 8:52pm On Oct 03, 2013
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Nairaland General › Re: Happy Birthday Ishilove!!! by naptu2(op): 8:34pm On Oct 03, 2013
And now, more music.

Happy birthday from The Minions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNRry5yfIQ
Nairaland General › Re: Iyawo Nylon Bag Gist Thread. by naptu2(op): 1:50pm On Oct 03, 2013
naptu2: The party's about to start! Come one, come all (but, shhh! Don't tell Ishilove about it yet). https://www.nairaland.com/1463164/happy-birthday-ishilove#18534315
Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by naptu2: 1:26pm On Oct 03, 2013
naptu2: The party's about to start! Come one, come all (but, shhh! Don't tell Ishilove about it yet). https://www.nairaland.com/1463164/happy-birthday-ishilove#18534315
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by naptu2: 1:02pm On Oct 03, 2013
naptu2: The party's about to start! Come one, come all (but, shhh! Don't tell Ishilove about it yet). https://www.nairaland.com/1463164/happy-birthday-ishilove#18534315
Politics › Re: Politics Chat Room - "The Beer Parlour" by naptu2: 12:52pm On Oct 03, 2013
Moment of silence.

Nairaland General › Re: Happy Birthday Ishilove!!! by naptu2(op): 12:37pm On Oct 03, 2013

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