naptu2: I'm searching for a rebroadcast or text version of that interview, but it's not on the BBC's websites or social media handles. It's only the short clip that was on News Day.
I found out from the CAF secretary-general's Twitter feed that the interview took place 2 days ago and is longer than the clip I heard.
naptu2: No wonder I couldn't find it. They only just published it right now.
naptu2: CAF secretary general speaking to the BBC.
They have a scheduling nightmare. Some people are pushing them to hold WAFCON out of the FIFA calendar, but he says that's not possible. He says that the best players are based outside of Africa and, with all due respect to the homebased players, they have raised the standard of WAFCON, it's very professional, so they can't do that (have WAFCON with only home based players).
He said that the problem was caused by the fact that AFCON was meant to hold in June last year, but you can't have a football competition in June in Ivory Coast because it's the rain season. So AFCON was held at the time that WAFCON was supposed to hold. So now they need to find a date for WAFCON.
The BBC reporter said that he talked about professionalism, but it doesn't look professional that CAF still doesn't have a date for WAFCON. He spoke to Desiree Ellis and she complained and is angry and disappointed that there is no date. Can he give Desiree Ellis and others that are waiting and disappointed a date?
The secretary general said that there will be an announcement by. . . (I didn't hear well if he said at the end of the week or end of the month). He is assuring everybody that there will be an announcement.
He mentioned possible dates this year (that won't clash with the Olympics), but he said that it could also be next year (he also mentioned possible dates).
The BBC reporter then pointed out that if WAFCON is held next year, then it will clash with the date for AFCON. The secretary general them mentioned possible options.
The BBC reporter summed it up that it's possible that WAFCON might be held next year and AFCON might be held in 2026.
Ian Williams, Rob Stevens BBC Sport Africa Published 18 minutes ago
Organisers of Africa’s premier men’s and women’s international football tournaments have admitted they face a “scheduling nightmare”, but dates for forthcoming editions are closer to being agreed, the BBC has been told.
During a rare in-depth interview Veron Mosengo-Omba, general secretary of the Confederation of African Football (Caf), promised that an announcement on the 2024 Women’s Africa Cup of Nations (Wafcon) in Morocco would arrive by the end of this month – revealing there is a strong chance it could be switched to next year.
“We are supposed to play this year but we have teams engaged in the Olympics, so we have to find another date,” Mosengo-Omba explained to BBC Sport Africa.
“We are talking with Uefa, because most of the players are playing in Europe, the European Club Association and also with Fifa in order to find [a] suitable date.”
Meanwhile, Mosengo-Omba confirmed that Caf could stage the 2025 Africa Cup of Nations (Afcon), also set to be hosted by Morocco, in early 2026 because of the timing of Fifa’s new 32-team Club World Cup in June and July next year.
“For the men, we need to make sure that the dates that we'll be choosing will be in the interests of the players,” said the Swiss-Congolese, highlighting issues around the workload of the continent’s elite players.
“For this we need to balance different aspects and also discuss with our partners and then we complete [the dates]. Scheduling is a nightmare for everybody.”
Big dilemma for Women’s Nations Cup
Caf’s statutes say both iterations of the Nations Cup should be held once every two years - rather than once every four as is the case with most major championships organised by other confederations.
However, that puts pressure on the African game’s governing body to fit its competitions into an ever-more-crowded international calendar.
Qualifying for the 2024 Wafcon was completed last December, but deciding when to hold the 12-team finals is complicated by the fact that record nine-time winners Nigeria and Zambia will be participating in the Paris Olympics during July and August.
Desiree Ellis, coach of reigning continental champions South Africa, says the crowded schedule is evidence of rapid growth in the women’s game – but she remains critical of Caf’s handling of the situation.
“If it (Wafcon) is postponed or cancelled, it will be a huge, huge disappointment,” the 61-year-old told BBC Sport Africa, pointing out that the 2020 Nations Cup was cancelled because of the coronavirus pandemic, unlike the men’s 2021 tournament which was merely postponed.
“The growth of women's football over the last couple of years has really shot through the roof, especially on the African continent.
“Just communicate whether it's happening or whether it's not happening so we know how to prepare going forward.”
The growth of women’s football in Africa has been made clear this year by two record-breaking transfer fees paid for Zambian players.
In February, forward Rachel Kundananji set a new world record when joining American team Bay FC for $860,000 (£685,000) and the next month Copper Queens skipper Barbra Banda moved to fellow National Women's Soccer League side Orlando Pride for $740,000 (£581,000).
Mosengo-Omba says Caf’s only option for scheduling Wafcon this year would involve playing it outside of an agreed international window – meaning club sides would not be compelled to release their stellar names.
“Do we play Women's Afcon without our best players? This is something that personally I think is not good,” he said.
“We cannot come back by using only local (domestic-based) players. They are good, but the standard would not be the same.”
When it comes to the men’s Nations Cup, Caf’s “nightmare” has been caused by global governing body Fifa introducing its expanded Club World Cup.
The 32-team tournament will be played in the United States from 15 June to 13 July next year – dates which potentially could have been earmarked for the 2025 Afcon, with Caf having previously stated its aim of aligning its flagship competition with the European summer window.
“We have a problem that we're still discussing now with the same stakeholders and partners: the European Club Association, Uefa and Fifa,” said Mosengo-Omba.
He denied that Fifa has pressured Caf not to hold Afcon at the same time as the Club World Cup – something that Concacaf, the continental confederation for North and Central America, has decided to do with its Gold Cup competition.
Fifa has been forced to defend its new addition to the football calendar after criticism from unions that players are being “pushed beyond their limits”.
“We can play after the Club World Cup, but is this good for the interests of the players who have played all the season and then they travel to America to play [and then] immediately come to play Afcon?” Mosengo-Omba continued.
“We have to put this in balance before [we] take a decision.”
Despite concerns around heat, the 2019 Nations Cup in Egypt was hosted in June and July that year and the 2021 and 2023 editions were also due to be staged around the same time of year to avoid the regular club versus country clash caused by the tournament’s traditional January-February time slot.
However, the 2021 tournament in Cameroon was pushed back to early 2022 because of the pandemic and weather concerns, while the 2023 tournament was held in Ivory Coast earlier this year to avoid the West African rainy season.
Despite Caf failing to meet its aim of aligning the past two tournaments with the European football calendar, Mosengo-Omba admits it could very well happen again in Morocco.
“If this is for the interests of the player, why not? Because we have to focus in terms of the player," he said.
Meanwhile, the date for the qualifying draw for the 2025 Afcon is set to be announced after the next meeting of Caf’s executive committee.
Qualifiers are expected to be held in September, October and November this year.
I'm searching for a rebroadcast or text version of that interview, but it's not on the BBC's websites or social media handles. It's only the short clip that was on News Day.
I found out from the CAF secretary-general's Twitter feed that the interview took place 2 days ago and is longer than the clip I heard.
mostob: The draw for this year's U20 WWC will take place tomorrow. However, something is baffling and I would like someone to explain. Nigeria is in pot 2, Ghana is in pot 3 while Morocco and Cameroon are in pot 4. Now, two Africans can't play each other in group stage. Right?
What will happen if the person in charge subsequently picked Nigeria from pot 2 and Ghana from pot 3?
Are the balls coloured differently according to continent?
This is solely from long term memory.
I remember that something like that happened at a draw a long time ago and the host simply said, "As we all know, two teams from the same confederation can't be in the same group" and the person picking the balls did another draw and picked another team.
They simply skipped the first pick and did it again.
I still have their music tracks among several classics from back in the 1980s and early 1990s on rotation. Controversial and raunchy songs they had but that was what propelled them into global prominence and that was how I got to know of 2 Live Crew and their censored and uncensored songs in the late 1980s heading into the early 1990s. Color Me Badd was another music group that had a few controversies back in the very early 1990s in their music tracks but that was small compared to that of the 2 Live Crew.
Colour Me Badd was no where as vulgar as 2 Live Crew, but I remember when someone was playing this song on my cassette player and her father shouted "Turn that thing off"!
naptu2: Obviously you can't do a Color Me Badd playlist without adding the anthem. This is the original video. Lots of people (including me) thought that they were all black, so this video was a shock.
Ah tick tock you don't stop To the, ah tick tock you don't stop To the, ah tick tock you don't stop (Ooooh oooh oooh ooh ooooh)
naptu2: This was the song that annoyed her. It was a humongous hit in 1991. I am still searching for her angry response. She sued them and won 35% of the royalties. (They didn't only sample the bassline, they actually sampled her voice).
naptu2: So many legends are dying and it's so sad.
She sued Colour Me Badd for sampling this song (she won and was given 35% of the royalties of I Wanna Sex You Up) and then she released another version in which she criticised them (I'm still searching for that version).
Betty Wright passed away yesterday. This is her classic monster hit. An uncountable number of people have sampled this song.
They have a scheduling nightmare. Some people are pushing them to hold WAFCON out of the FIFA calendar, but he says that's not possible. He says that the best players are based outside of Africa and, with all due respect to the homebased players, they have raised the standard of WAFCON, it's very professional, so they can't do that (have WAFCON with only home based players).
He said that the problem was caused by the fact that AFCON was meant to hold in June last year, but you can't have a football competition in June in Ivory Coast because it's the rain season. So AFCON was held at the time that WAFCON was supposed to hold. So now they need to find a date for WAFCON.
The BBC reporter said that he talked about professionalism, but it doesn't look professional that CAF still doesn't have a date for WAFCON. He spoke to Desiree Ellis and she complained and is angry and disappointed that there is no date. Can he give Desiree Ellis and others that are waiting and disappointed a date?
The secretary general said that there will be an announcement by. . . (I didn't hear well if he said at the end of the week or end of the month). He is assuring everybody that there will be an announcement.
He mentioned possible dates this year (that won't clash with the Olympics), but he said that it could also be next year (he also mentioned possible dates).
The BBC reporter then pointed out that if WAFCON is held next year, then it will clash with the date for AFCON. The secretary general them mentioned possible options.
The BBC reporter summed it up that it's possible that WAFCON might be held next year and AFCON might be held in 2026.
There was a huge talk show war in America in the late 1980s and early 1990s. There were many popular talk shows like the Oprah Winfrey Show, the Sally Jessy Raphael Show, the legendary Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, etc.
Some people developed the idea that the best way to break into the market and challenge the established legends above was to shock people. This led to things like the Jerry Springer Show and Geraldo.
Well, what better way to shock your audience than to bring the 2 Live Crew on the show? That's exactly what Donahue did in 1989.
They actually began the song with the clean version, but they switched to the dirty version within a few seconds. The audience in the studio can hear the dirty version, but you can't because those words have been beeped out.
This is a shock to Donahue's audience, but it is child's play and very tame compared to what usually happens at 2 Live Crew concerts.
Forget about 2 Live Crew, just focus on the audience.
Xtraterestial: Where did you ppl hear 2live crew from In Nigeria in those day? Nigeria radios didn't play 2live crew songs back then in the early nineties, it was x-rated lyrics for that time as far as I remember as a millennial was too young then. only rap songs I heard from radio in early 90s was from snoop dog, MC hammer, vanilla ice,Biggie,Tupac,heavy d,queen latifa our own junior and pretty,weird MC etc.
You remind me of so many funny things.
We had American neighbours in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but they returned to the United States in 1985. One of them came visiting in 1989 or 1990 and we were watching music videos and he was shocked. "They're swearing in that video", he exclaimed. His shock was funny to me.
Someone called us once from the UK and was boasting about the movie that she just watched. It was a highly anticipated movie and she just watched it in the cinema. We told her that we also just finished watching the movie. She didn't believe us, so we told her what happened in the movie.
Back in the late 1980s and early 1990s you could easily watch 2 Live Crew videos in music video compilations that were rented from video clubs. We were members of Video Mart and Cosmo Video Club from around 1986 till around 1991. They often had movies that had only just been released in cinemas (and in some cases, they had movies that were not even out), they had music video compilations, award shows, football and wrestling events, etc.
2 Live Crew songs were also often played at parties and you also read about them in music magazines.
I woke up in front of the tv and they were showing the MTV special, "Banned In The USA" (it was a documentary about how 2 Live Crew were banned and arrested and their legal battle to assert their freedom of speech rights and to be able to perform in public). They showed most of their videos and concerts (they beeped out the words, but they didn't edit the pictures/video).
I eventually looked around and (gasp) there was a teenage girl in the room and her mother was also in the room.
And then the teenage girl says, "Why did they ban them?" And her mother immediately replied, "What do you mean by 'Why did they ban them'? Can't you see what they are doing? . . ." And she went on and on. I just wished that I could have vanished from that room.
naptu2: 2 Live Crew was a rap group that released a string of extremely. . . extremely x-rated songs in the late 1980s. They gradually began making waves from around 1986 and then released a very popular album in 1989.
This obviously attracted attention.
You see, 2 Live Crews lyrics were as obscene as humanly possibly. Their videos were actually not so bad, but their concerts were another thing entirely. Their insane fans did a lot of mentally insane things at their concerts.
So, as I said, all of these things attracted the attention of the authorities.
Record store owners were arrested for selling 2 Live Crew records, local governments sought court rulings that declared that 2 Live Crew's music was obscene and should be banned and in 1989 some members of 2 Live Crew were arrested for performing songs from their very popular album.
The Luke (the lead rapper of 2 Live Crew) said that it was not the government's business to decide what they should say or not say. He said that government should focus on fighting hunger and poverty, instead of trying to decide what their fans can do at their concerts. He said that their concerts were strictly 18+ and everybody at their concerts were adults who could make decisions for themselves.
2 Live Crew fought the bans and arrests in court. Professor Louis Gates actually testified on their behalf. He said that their music was not obscenity, but rather it was an important part of Black American culture. The Appeal Court overturned the ban and the US Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal from the local government (the record store owners that were arrested also won their cases).
MTV did a special about the controversy in 1990 and 2 Live Crew released this song. It is the only clean song by 2 Live Crew that I know. It is their cover of Bruce Springsteen's Born In The USA.
Rapper Brother Marquis, from the hip-hop group 2 Live Crew, has died at the age of 57.
Marquis' - real name was Mark D. Ross - death was confirmed by the group's manager to Rolling Stone, although a cause of death was not provided.
On Monday, 2 Live Crew announced on Instagram that the rapper had passed away. The influential group, which was formed in the mid-1980s, were the first artists to have a "Parental Advisory: Explicit Content" label on an album.
Another member of 2 Live Crew, fellow rapper Fresh Ice Kid, whose real name was Christopher Wong Won, died in 2017.
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